[bobgtafan]

I have a simple question. Is it because of Toreno and the CIA that everything in San Andreas happened? Is he the reason crack flooded the streets thus leading eventually leading to CJ's mom being killed by CRASH? I've read some of you say Toreno had a direct hand in CRASH. So tell me, was it all Toreno from the start?

[Fisciletti]

I think so.

[lil weasel]

Not at all. Toreno's Business was for export to finance his work with whatever letter group he ran. It is presumed he is CIA but the group is never identified.
He is also working cross-purposed to other government men who may or may not be of the same organization.
More interesting Questios never answered:
What did CJ deliver by the Rustler? Why did he attract attention by flying so low? Why did this flight attract 'attention' by flying High?
Why did Toreno need CJ kill men on the ship and steal the plane. When CJ could have attacked the 'ships' by land.
How did the 'ships' get into the lakes, why?

[Nukey Shay]

Why over-analyze mission aspects when it's obvious that by removing them the missions would have no challenge at all? Invent whatever subplot you want to fill the gaps in logic. This is a game.

BTW flying low is the way to avoid secure missile lock. This also works outside the mission.

[˸øåíüêà]

I just love Toreno's missions because they leave so much for the imagination.

[Radoonhagaydoon]

QUOTE (lil weasel @ Saturday, Sep 8 2012, 20:18)

Why did Toreno need CJ kill men on the ship and steal the plane. When CJ could have attacked the 'ships' by land.

Too obvious. Mike needed CJ to be unobvious so Mike's "Enemies" don't see it coming, it's confusing I know, but Toreno is random just like his voice actor.

[DarrinPA]

If you watch the introduction on youtube [30 or 40 minute long one, not the in game intro] you'll see that Toreno is with T-bone Mendez and is irritated at somebody on the phone, assumed to be Tennpenny, for a reason. After which Tennpenny goes and forces Big Smoke to put a hit out on Sweet. I believe Toreno was the top guy in the Loco syndicate and was unhappy that somebody [Sweet] was stopping the streets from being flooded with Yay [or crack]. If Sweet wasn't stopping the drugs, the hit wouldn't have been put out - Thus Toreno was [in my observations] responsible for CJ's mother's death.

Think about it; Jizzy and Ryder were dead yet the streets were still able to be flooded with drugs while CJ was in LV. I think it's due to Sweet being in jail, exactly where Toreno would want him so that he's out of the way, while CJ was delivering mysterious packages for Toreno to the same spot that the Loco Syndicate would meet. I think CJ was unknowingly helping collect and spread the drugs.

Making CJ steal the Jet was for the use of getting drugs into San Andreas easier and quicker compared to the other ways in N.O.E. and Interdiction.

[AuSsIeThUnDeR36]

Who were on the flotilla of spy ships? Cubans? Russians?

[lil weasel]

Unknown. A real question to ask is where did they come from and How did they get into a land locked dam lake? And what were they going to do?

[richard1997jones]

I love toreno's mission cos they are so far out

[AuSsIeThUnDeR36]

QUOTE (lil weasel @ Wednesday, Dec 26 2012, 03:40)

Unknown. A real question to ask is where did they come from and How did they get into a land locked dam lake? And what were they going to do?

I guess all we can say is that they were spies as they were on 'spy ships' and maybe they were air dropped in there by Leviathan.
Maybe they were going to do a spot of fishing afterward lol

[GTASAddict]

Some interesting questions I've wondered about here, myself. I think only Rockstar can answer such questions.

[BabeRuth]

QUOTE (Radoonhagaydoon @ Sunday, Dec 23 2012, 19:45)

Toreno is random just like his voice actor.

He was voiced by James Woods .........

[Radoonhagaydoon]

QUOTE (BabeRuth @ Tuesday, Jan 22 2013, 02:08)

QUOTE (Radoonhagaydoon @ Sunday, Dec 23 2012, 19:45) Toreno is random just like his voice actor. He was voiced by James Woods .........

Damn, I can't even remember why I made that post. I think I MEANT that James Woods is bit random. dunno

[BabeRuth]

It's okay. You had a blonde moment everybody has em' .

Try to remember next time

[DarrinPA]

QUOTE (AuSsIeThUnDeR36 @ Tuesday, Dec 25 2012, 22:06)

Who were on the flotilla of spy ships? Cubans? Russians?

Toreno probably wasn't honest with CJ, they weren't spy ships but simply american Navy ships that Toreno needed out of his way.

[Radoonhagaydoon]

How were they Navy ships if they look like somebody's vacation boat!!

[lil weasel]

It doesn't matter. If a U.S. government agency says, "kill some sportfishermen". You kill some 'sportfishermen'. or spend your last days in Cuba on 'Holiday'!

[DarrinPA]

That's the game developers fault, not the Navy's. But seriously, they could have been drug-running boats or something. Perhaps Toreno was in competition with them, considering that he also sold drugs.

[Radoonhagaydoon]

What do you mean Lil Weasel?