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WARNING: This thread goes at the pace of a U.S. time zone, so be sure and catch up with all episodes of season 5 before viewing because we will not be using spoiler tags. Expect spoilers from past seasons in here as well. Also, keep all unaired information to yourselves, please.
You guys as excited as I am for season 5? It really can go anywhere now. Season 4 left us with Clay voted out, which means Jax is the new President. It's going to be interesting to see what direction he takes the club. Probably try and get them out of the drug and gun running business, and turn the club into what his father envisioned. I'm just wondering what Clay's role will be in all of this. I love all the Hamlet references on this show. There's alot of them, not only with the characters, but with the story. Kurt Sutter follows these references very closely. Can't wait until this show returns! Airs Tuesday, Sept. 11th at 10 pm on FX.
Alright guys, feel free to discuss!
Official synopsis: Season five sees Jax taking Clay’s place at the end of the table, leading the California motorcycle club as they deal with plenty of external threats.
Season 5 poster:
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This post has been edited by GTA-King on Wednesday, Oct 31 2012, 03:11
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Your always host the thread of these awesome shows .
I guess that is your style .
Ahh in all seriousness, It really does take some memory jogging for me sometimes to remember everything. But I remember a good chunk. Finally glad to see it coming back.
I think obviously Clay by the looks of it, is going to try to get his spot back as the president some how. Only reason I remember him being alive is for some deal that needs him. I lost most of my respect for him, so yea he is should be grateful he is still around .
Like I said, it is going to take some memory jogging for me to come up with better posts ..
I'm the same way; there's just too much that has gone on for me to remember what's going on or - for that matter - where it'll go. I have a feeling the 9ers will be playing a bigger role if I'm remembering the events of season 4 correctly.
By the way, Tara's gonna be a badass this season. I think there will be an interesting dynamic; she'll hate Gemma and become more like her as it develops.
Howard Stern was talking about this show a couple of weeks ago and pointed out how it's simultaneously awesome and terrible. It really is a guys show, I can't imagine it has a large female following. The story can be shallow at times and sometimes the dialogue is just f*cking cringe worthy but the violence and wild man shenanigans keep me coming back. I might have to re-watch some of last season to get caught up again, I can't quite remember where exactly everything left off but I'm excited for next week's premiere.
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I've been rewatching the whole series up 'til season 5 premier date... forgot how much of a c*nt that ATF bitch was. Catching alot of stuff I didn't before, especially references to Hamlet. It's cool to see stuff like that. I'm just wondering what Clay's role is going to be in season 5.
I think the main reason I started this thread is to cope with the wait for Breaking Bad season 5B to be honest...
I haven't seen this show yet, and my blockbuster que has it on "very long wait" should I just buy it? Is it that good?
If you're a dude you'll like it, it's not great but it's not sh*t, it really speaks to your inner caveman. It's very tribal and violence oriented, not as sophisticated as The Sopranos or Boardwalk Empire, it's much more primal.
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Just finished up season 2. Really loving all the references to Hamlet that I missed before. It's really just like a modern re-visioning of it. Here's something I pulled off wiki:
"The family drama is loosely based on Shakespeare's Hamlet; indeed, star Ron Perlman has said, "I'm sure they’re going to stick to the structure of Hamlet all the way to the end" of the series. Clay is based on the role of King Claudius and Gemma as a Gertrude figure. Jax stands in for Prince Hamlet himself. Jax's reflective questioning of the SOA culture, brought on by the birth of his son, references Hamlet's melancholy over the death of the king. Additionally, Jax "communicates" with his dead father by way of his late father's unpublished journal/manuscript; Hamlet, of course, literally communicates with the ghost of his father. The drama and characterizations are also enhanced by drawing on Macbeth, another Shakespeare tragedy. Katey Sagal's Gertrude-like Gemma resembles Lady Macbeth because—while it is never entirely clear from Hamlet how complicit Queen Gertrude is in the murder of Hamlet's father—it is obvious that Gemma has willingly participated in the cover-up of the death and may even have encouraged Clay in his treachery. Creator Sutter has said of the Shakespeare element, "I don't want to overplay that but it's there. It was Jax's father who started the club, so he's the ghost in the action. You wonder what he would have made of the way it turned out. It's not a version of Hamlet but it's definitely influenced by it."
I've always like Hamlet, good play and story. Here's a comparison I made between characters in Hamlet and SoA. Pretty accurate I'd say...
CLAY MORROW- He is King Claudius, Hamlet's Uncle.
JAX TELLER- He is Prince Hamlet.
GEMMA TELLER-MORROW- She is Queen Gertrude.
TIG TRAGER- I think he's Laertes.
CHIBS TELFORD- Well, I can't find a character, so let's just label him as one of Hamlet's lackies.
PINEY WINSTON- I think he's Polonius so I don't think it's him.
OPIE WINSTON- He is Horatio, Hamlet's childhood friend.
JUICE ORTIZ- He seems to be Osric, a foolish courtier (see the comparison?)
TARA KNOWLES- She is Ophelia.
I was also surprised at how much Hamlet is refrenced in The Lion King. Take a look.
This post has been edited by GTA-King on Wednesday, Sep 12 2012, 17:01
I can't say I'm a huge fan of Hamlet, but I do know it moderately well and your linking above seems to be almost 100%, but I can't help the feeling that something is missing from it..
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About to watch the premier.
I'm still rooting for Tig. Have been since the beginning. He is such an interesting character. Kim Coats, the actor, is a big fan of Shakespeare's work, and you can tell by the way he plays the character. Tig is interesting because he's very loyal to the club, as well as Clay. I felt really bad for him when he accidentally killed Donna, especially after learning how sorry he was (remember the bad shrooms trip he had?). Going to be interesting to see how Tig is now, since he is no longer supporting Clay.
This post has been edited by GTA-King on Wednesday, Sep 12 2012, 17:03
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