[Masterfocker]

Here's just some stuff for 2012:

Let's say R* starts marketing within the next couple weeks. They would have 2-3 months to have the game release in November/December. The short marketing campaign would save them money, and they'd still have plenty of time to get pre-orders. Not only that, but the marketing doesn't stop when the game ends. Games always market usually at least a month after release.

There's also something else that someone pointed out. I forgot who it is, but credit goes out to this guy:

If it wasn't gonna release in 2012, why not say so? They could just go out and say "Hey guys, it's not coming out in 2012." That way, 2012 release is done, and they give literally nothing away about the actual release date. No time frame whatsoever, except that it's gonna be at least 2013. Why not do this if there's absolutely no chance for a 2012 release?

Oh, and stop with stating your opinion as fact. It's f*cking annoying. Saying there's no chance for a 2012 release is just ignorance, because you, nor anyone else, has no f*cking idea. I don't say 2012 is the release date, I just say it could happen. Just like a 2013 release could happen.

Right now, it's 50/50

Edit: Oh, and this thread is useless

This post has been edited by Masterfocker on Wednesday, Aug 29 2012, 03:21

[Raynos]

QUOTE (Masterfocker @ Wednesday, Aug 29 2012, 03:19)

If it wasn't gonna release in 2012, why not say so? They could just go out and say "Hey guys, it's not coming out in 2012." That way, 2012 release is done, and they give literally nothing away about the actual release date. No time frame whatsoever, except that it's gonna be at least 2013. Why not do this if there's absolutely no chance for a 2012 release?

Why would they bother?
With that reasoning, they should've just said coming 2012, it does not give away the release date and keeps us guessing, but they haven't.
So regardless of when it's coming out, they aren't obliged to say sh*t.

[MikeMyth]

First they thought the game was coming out in May because of 2405.
I guess they didn't stop to think that marketing hadn't started yet...
I think it may come out May 24th 2013 IMO, but how did some people think May 2012?

[Masterfocker]

QUOTE (Raynos @ Wednesday, Aug 29 2012, 03:23)

QUOTE (Masterfocker @ Wednesday, Aug 29 2012, 03:19) If it wasn't gonna release in 2012, why not say so? They could just go out and say "Hey guys, it's not coming out in 2012." That way, 2012 release is done, and they give literally nothing away about the actual release date. No time frame whatsoever, except that it's gonna be at least 2013. Why not do this if there's absolutely no chance for a 2012 release? Why would they bother? With that reasoning, they should've just said coming 2012, it does not give away the release date and keeps us guessing, but they haven't. So regardless of when it's coming out, they aren't obliged to say sh*t.

If they said 2012, then that's a really small timeframe. It would pretty much confirm a November/December release date, since they'd have to market the game. If they said no 2012, then that leaves no timeframe at all. It could be January 1, 2013-December 31, 2020 for all we know

[Audiophile]

Everyone needs to chill out with these 2012/2013 "why I think" topics and just wait for R* to tell us.

You can't 100% say it's 2012 or 2013.

[pariah87]

It's all a conspiracy man... Blockbuster said it would come out this year and when the media and the general public got word of it BAM! Blockbuster goes out of business because they got sued by Rockstargames aka the Illuminati!


The Truth. #FACT

[mario3360]

QUOTE (Raynos @ Wednesday, Aug 29 2012, 03:00)

QUOTE (Kjax39 @ Wednesday, Aug 29 2012, 02:54) I don't understand it either. Optimism is great, but there's a fine line that separates optimism & ignorance. More like optimism and insanity. Really. I'd love it if it came out in 2012, but looking at what we have now, 2012 has a 0% chance. Hell, if it comes out this year, I will put a small sauce pan on the stove, turn it to high heat till it gets red hot. I will the break my spine, bend over and bite off my male appendage and then cauterize the wound with my red hot pan.

I'll hold you up to that.

[Raynos]

QUOTE (Masterfocker @ Wednesday, Aug 29 2012, 03:28)

If they said 2012, then that's a really small timeframe. It would pretty much confirm a November/December release date, since they'd have to market the game. If they said no 2012, then that leaves no timeframe at all. It could be January 1, 2013-December 31, 2020 for all we know

Well, that's my point.
If they said "Not 2012" you will have the same time frame to expect the game to come out in.
It would narrow it down to Jan, Feb, March or April.

Let's be realistic now, 2020? Even 2014 is an over exaggeration.

So really. Why would they tell us if it is or isn't releasing 2012.

[mvega0422]

It's not fair for you to just hop up out of the ground and call out the 2012'ers. Why don't you make a legitimate argument instead of a bunch of blanket statements? I've strongly made my argument and so have others... a rebuttal would be in order so I (for one) can avoid repeating the same sh*t over and over again...

[finn4life]

At the end of the fiscal year like they've always done with gta, October is a no go now.

[Masterfocker]

QUOTE (finn4life @ Wednesday, Aug 29 2012, 03:37)

At the end of the fiscal year like they've always done with gta, October is a no go now.

They changed the end of the fical year so they could have more time to make more money. Every GTA has been released in October, or has been schedules to release in October, but has been delayed.

Of course, the game is obviously not coming out in October, unless R* is as unpredictable as I think they are. Still doesn't rule out a 2012 release.

[MikeMyth]

QUOTE (pariah87 @ Tuesday, Aug 28 2012, 19:31)

It's all a conspiracy man... Blockbuster said it would come out this year and when the media and the general public got word of it BAM! Blockbuster goes out of business because they got sued by Rockstargames aka the Illuminati! The Truth. #FACT

Oh god they've come to GTAF, what next!?
Will they start an ACTUAL relgion next?

Also, they DO know a release date I agree, but if they released I think they hype might decrease, not greatly but noticably...
At least that's what I think.
Fans would be going crazy over the release date paying no attention to marketing visuals as much, trailers would still be popular but not so much screenshots.
I think people wouldn't of gone so crazy over the new screenshots if we had a release date and more info.
If it is actually released in 2012 or even 2013 with little information players would go crazy once it was released given they would still be excited they'd be even more amazed.
Also that would help R*'s sales if you think about it.

[Masterfocker]

QUOTE (MikeMyth @ Wednesday, Aug 29 2012, 03:41)

QUOTE (pariah87 @ Tuesday, Aug 28 2012, 19:31) It's all a conspiracy man... Blockbuster said it would come out this year and when the media and the general public got word of it BAM! Blockbuster goes out of business because they got sued by Rockstargames aka the Illuminati! The Truth. #FACT Oh god they've come to GTAF, what next!? Will they start an ACTUAL relgion next? Also, they DO know a release date I agree, but if they released I think they hype might decrease, not greatly but noticably... At least that's what I think. Fans would be going crazy over the release date paying no attention to marketing visuals as much, trailers would still be popular but not so much screenshots. I think people wouldn't of gone so crazy over the new screenshots if we had a release date and more info. If it is actually released in 2012 or even 2013 with little information players would go crazy once it was released given they would still be excited they'd be even more amazed. Also that would help R*'s sales if you think about it.

They even said themselves they don't want to release a lot about the game, so that pretty much confirms a short marketing campaign. That little fact right there alone gives 2012 a big reason to happen.

Also because it's a holiday season, and we all know games sell a lot better at that time

[Raynos]

QUOTE (Masterfocker @ Wednesday, Aug 29 2012, 03:40)

QUOTE (finn4life @ Wednesday, Aug 29 2012, 03:37) At the end of the fiscal year like they've always done with gta, October is a no go now. They changed the end of the fical year so they could have more time to make more money. Every GTA has been released in October, or has been schedules to release in October, but has been delayed. Of course, the game is obviously not coming out in October, unless R* is as unpredictable as I think they are. Still doesn't rule out a 2012 release.

Well, it's clear why they release GTA at the end of the fisical year, They will get 2 fisical years of profits. It's a smart move with a big seller like GTA.

Finn4life makes perfect sense there.

I mean, c'mon, only predicting 650mil for GTA V? GTA IV made $1B in its first 3 months, you could expect GTA V to almost double that figure.

[BlackLightning]

Rockstar hasn't said much of anything at this point, so anything is a possibility.

Plus, this is a recent tweet from a dev:

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24 Aug Peter Saumur ‏@Stitched @FelipeBusquets That biplane shot looks amazing.

QUOTE

24 Aug Felipe Busquets ‏@FelipeBusquets @Stitched it's getting there Hide conversation 8:33 AM - 24 Aug 12 · Details

Now, if he said they still have a long way to go or something like that, then fine. But that response with a smiley face must mean they're getting close. How close is anyone's guess. Which is why I'm sticking with this year for now.

[rodneythesavior]

What part of "We're changing the way we market games" do people not understand?

This post has been edited by rodneythesavior on Wednesday, Aug 29 2012, 04:07

[Mig10]

QUOTE (carloff1212 @ Wednesday, Aug 29 2012, 02:51)

I really don't understand how some people consider it a realistic or feasible possibility at all that this game is coming out this year. Rockstar has not even set a release date yet, and somehow people expect it to come out this year. Since when has a game company (especially one that likes to advertise and hype their games like Rockstar) announced a release date for the game and then have it come out 1-2 months after they announce it. It's just asinine that people still think it is remotely possible that it's coming out this year. It's almost September for Christ's sake. Does anyone else understand why some people think it's coming out in 2012? because it just baffles the hell out of me.

Join the list mate. I posted roughly 3 weeks ago that there was no chance of the game coming out in 2012, just using common sense rather than the tax and conspiracy theories this guys keep believing.

[Johacamigames]

QUOTE (rodneythesavior @ Tuesday, Aug 28 2012, 23:50)

What part of "We're changing the way we market games" do people not understand?

The part where it doesn't mention they'll do a short market campaign

[rodneythesavior]

QUOTE (Johacamigames @ Tuesday, Aug 28 2012, 21:02)

QUOTE (rodneythesavior @ Tuesday, Aug 28 2012, 23:50) What part of "We're changing the way we market games" do people not understand? The part where it doesn't mention they'll do a short market campaign

Read this:
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/1349..._it.php?print=1

QUOTE ( Dan Houser)

Obviously, it's a balancing act to sell the game... We used to have an exact formula for how much information you give out and how much you wouldn't. Literally, it was sort of a pie chart. It's hard to be that controlling, but you certainly want features that people are discovering. Some amount they learn about in advance, and some amount in reviews, but hopefully you can keep [other aspects] quiet until [people] are actually playing the game, because you want it to have the surprises and you want it to be magic.

No company will never announce how they are doing something. But it's seriously not that hard to connect these dots.

[Masterfocker]

QUOTE (Johacamigames @ Wednesday, Aug 29 2012, 04:02)

QUOTE (rodneythesavior @ Tuesday, Aug 28 2012, 23:50) What part of "We're changing the way we market games" do people not understand? The part where it doesn't mention they'll do a short market campaign

"But hopefully you can keep other aspects quiet until the game releases" (or something like that, close enough)

This = short marketing campaign.