[Secronom President]

Please share your thoughts, ideas, etc. about the Designers Code of Honor.

I would like to quote this from on of my posts:

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And no one said you couldn't propose edits to already created ones (i.e. xGhostx propose to edit rule four to something like "after every four of five missions" or "after a chapter has been completed." <- Which is currently under reviewal.) After all, we are under a democracy and the rules will be based on on the community's wants, needs, etc. I apologise if the topic sounded authoritarian or like a dictatorship.

This post has been edited by Secronom President on Saturday, Aug 25 2012, 13:58

[xGhostx]

Here's my thought:
-The topic's name is quite cool.

And here's my suggestion:
-Also make the topic in the Support section.

[Secronom President]

This topic was made for this section (as you can see by reading the rules), so it wouldn't make sense posting this in the DYOM: Support section, would it?

[xGhostx]

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to the worst, just PM me.

Hmmm, PM you forrr...?

[Secronom President]

Playing the mission and giving it feedback.

If you want me to add you guys to that list, just tell me.

[xGhostx]

Thank you.

This post has been edited by xGhostx on Saturday, Aug 25 2012, 06:33

[Yezz007]

Question,

QUOTE (Secronom President)

4- Multiple posting after a mission has been released is not allowed anymore: after all, what's the point of publishing missions when nobody plays them or gives them feedback? Plus, you are just bumping your thread and breaking a forum rule. Just post in the Designers Lounge...

So double posting like

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Mission 14th has been released..

QUOTE

Mission 15th has been released...

is now restricted?





and i suggest to add

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NO "This post has been reserved" in your new topic.

You know this is a trend here after someone start it here...and it just boosting posts stats while everyone can post a huge one. just a suggestion I DID NOT write any name ok?

This post has been edited by Yezz007 on Saturday, Aug 25 2012, 08:00

[xGhostx]

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4- Multiple posting after a mission has been released is not allowed anymore: after all, what's the point of publishing missions when nobody plays them or gives them feedback? Plus, you are just bumping your thread and breaking a forum rule. Just post in the Designers Lounge... So double posting like QUOTE Mission 14th has been released.. QUOTE Mission 15th has been released... is now restricted?

Something like that.

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and i suggest to add QUOTE NO "This post has been reserved" in your new topic. You know this is a trend here after someone start it here...and it just boosting posts stats while everyone can post a huge one. just a suggestion I DID NOT write any name ok?

That depends, what if you have a lot of picture to post, or a lot of info, it's easier to edit, you know. Just not too much.

[Jimmy_Leppard]

Amen to that

[Secronom President]

We are not a GFX section, so why would you have too much pictures in one post? A logo is enough; headers like the ones I will list are unnecessary, in my opinion: gangs; characters; missions; etc. Although I do admit they can make the main post nice looking. As for the information part, I believe it shouldn't be the main thing of the post; missions should, in my opinion. The major part which usually requires more writing is the story part.

As for the suggestion itself, there are two ways it can go: posts boosting and usefulness. If you look at it (in general, not only in here), people sometimes reserve too many posts which end up not beeing used. If you look at it in here, some people reserve a post or two, but they cancell their mission pack (meaning they were not put at use.) If you look at leoncj's mission pack, Matthew Hegan's Path, his second post (which was reserved) turned into a DLC section.

This post has been edited by Secronom President on Saturday, Aug 25 2012, 08:40

[Notna]

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4- Multiple posting after a mission has been released is not allowed anymore: after all, what's the point of publishing missions when nobody plays them or gives them feedback? Plus, you are just bumping your thread and breaking a forum rule. Just post in the Designers Lounge if you need feedback and, to the worst, just PM me or xGhostx.

I'm not trying to be rude or anything, but the stupidity what I see in this world has simply arrived here as well. I agree that it is not good that people spam their topics by "new mission" "new mission play please" "new mission guys i want feedback" "new misssoon in retire if you don't give me feedback" "im retired" "new missooonh i decided to come baackkkk" that's immature and stupid. But what's also stupid that this could be easily cleared off if people actually played or at least looked at the mission packs. Even a "This is interesting, I might check it out" makes me happy even when I know that he actually isn't going to.

[Secronom President]

QUOTE (Notna @ Saturday, Aug 25 2012, 05:00)

if people actually played or at least looked at the mission packs.

You've got a point there, but the problem is that the majority of the members here are designers instead of players.

[Arejai]

Wow, some of the rules discouraged my spirit.

But anyway..

[Kratos2000]

QUOTE (Arejai @ Saturday, Aug 25 2012, 11:23)

Wow, some of the rules discouraged my spirit.    But anyway..

Exactly,

Secro I respect you alot but lately you're doing lots of mess.
Adding another pinned thread, another set of rules, another all in one thread.
Now this partly ridiculous thread, with it's own credits section.

Designers bump their threads with updates to keep their projects alive, then they also even comment on the designer's lounge,
it's part of a damn struggle to maintain a missionpack.

And you were/are a designer, you were suppoused to understand. How come you've made these rules?
It discourages rule-loyal members of our community, you became a moderator to help shape this community for good and help it's members, why won't you do so?

This post has been edited by Kratos2000 on Saturday, Aug 25 2012, 12:15

[caio3771]

Looks like a ''Code of the Streets'', good.

I agree with Arejai.
anyway, I'll follow the rules, no prob.

[Secronom President]

If you are refering to the Information for Support topic, it's for people with problems to help us understand what it is and what could be the cause; if you are refering to the Games Inventory, it's for people to have it easier when searching for a game (if is has already been made, if they cannot find it, etc.)

As for the Designers Lounge part, they can post in it asking if someone could post feedback in their topic instead of multiple posting (which is against the site rules.)

Well, most of these rules were 'unwritten' and some of them are common sense. I mostly based myself on the reactions I've seen after witnessing some 'rulebreaking.' As for rule one, duplicating says it all; as for rule four, I've seen past reports about guys who posted 'new mission released' post longing from one hour to twenty four hours and as I said, it is breaking a forum rule; as for rule five, I've seen some reports about that; as for rule six, I've seen many topics like getting bad feedback from others and it's pointless (in my opinion) to make topics when you don't have anything done on it; as for rule seven, well I think it's common sense too; as for rule eight, look at Toni Forelli guy; as for rule nine, it will mostly cause spam (look at the time when TonyCJ was comming back under different accounts and people was pointing it out, for reference); as for rule eleven, it's common sense too.

As a designer, I always hated multiple posting to post updates (even if I did it.) As I already said, most of these were 'unwritten' rules now made official. And no one said you couldn't propose edits to already created ones (i.e. xGhostx propose to edit rule four to something like "after every four of five missions" or "after a chapter has been completed." <- Which is currently under reviewal.) After all, we are under a democracy and the rules will be based on on the community's wants, needs, etc. I apologise if the topic sounded authoritarian or like a dictatorship.

To conclude: if you want, we could get PatrickW's or Dutchy3010's or both word on this.

Well, I think I said all I had to say and hope I forgot nothing.

This post has been edited by Secronom President on Saturday, Aug 25 2012, 12:52

[Kratos2000]

QUOTE (Secronom President @ Saturday, Aug 25 2012, 12:45)

If you are refering to the Information for Support topic, it's for people with problems to help us understand what it is and what could be the cause; if you are refering to the Games Inventory, it's for people to have it easier when searching for a game (if is has already been made, if they cannot find it, etc.) As for the Designers Lounge part, they can post in it asking if someone could post feedback in their topic instead of multiple posting (which is against the site rules.) Well, most of these rules were 'unwritten' and some of them are common sense. I mostly based myself on the reactions I've seen after doing some 'rulebreaking.' As for rule one, duplicating says it all; as for rule four, I've seen past reports about guys who posted 'new mission released' post longing from one hour to twenty four hours and as I said, it is breaking a forum rule; as for rule five, I've seen some reports about that; as for rule six, I've seen many topics like getting bad feedback from others and it's pointless (in my opinion) to make topics when you don't have anything done on it; as for rule seven, well I think it's common sense too; as for rule eight, look at Toni Forelli guy; as for rule nine, it will mostly cause spam (look at the time when TonyCJ was comming back under different accounts and people was pointing it out, for reference); as for rule eleven, it's common sense too. As a designer, I always hated multiple posting to post updates (even if I did it.) As I already said, most of these were 'unwritten' rules now made official. And no one said you couldn't propose edits to already created ones (i.e. xGhostx propose to edit rule four to something like "after every four of five missions" or "after a chapter has been completed." <- Which is currently under reviewal.) After all, we are under a democracy and the rules will be based on on the community's wants, needs, etc. I apologise if the topic sounded authoritarian or like a dictatorship. To conclude: if you want, we could get PatrickW's or Dutchy3010's or both word on this. Well, I think I said all I had to say and hope I forgot nothing.

When someone makes his few newer missions, and has his thread fogotten, he should be able to atleast bump it with new missions/missionpack revival/etc.
Just saying, rule 4 needs polishing, exceptions.

[caio3771]

What about if someone bump an old topic with no substantial info?
The topic will be locked as usual?

[Nice_Shot]

I am sorry guys

http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtopic=522439 little help.

[Secronom President]

Suggestion by Yezz007 -> Rule twelve: No 'this post has been reserved' posts in your topic. It's only posts boosting and the majority of the people can put the content in one post.

Suggestion by xGhostx -> Rule twelve: The number of such posts should be limited, because some designers have alot of information or alot of pictures in their topic.

Reply and suggestion by Secronom President (please do not take my opinions as a led-by's opinion, but rather as a normal member's opinions.) -> Why would you have too much pictures in a post? A logo should be enough; no need for headers. As for too much information, a few lines about the characters, groups, and some lines about the story and that's it (it shouldn't be the main thing of the post.) As for the suggestion itself, it can go two ways: posts boosting or helpfulness. There are times when these posts will not come in handy and in others' it will (i.e. leoncj's mission pack, Matthew Hegan's Path, which the second post (which was a reserved one) turned into a DLC section.) My suggestion is that posting a 'post reserved' post should be only allowed only for DLC sections.

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Suggestion by xGhostx -> Rule four: Multiple posting should only be allowed after releasing three or four missions or even after a whole chapter has been completely designed.

Suggestion by Kratos2000 -> Rule four: When the designer publishes his latest missions and his topic has been forgotten, he should be allowed to bump and/or multiple post an update, a new, etc.

Suggestion by Secronom President (please do not take my opinions as a led-by's opinion, but rather as a normal member's opinions.) -> Rule four: My suggestion to this is that bumping and/or multiple posting should be allowed only if your topic is on the second page (based on the default's page system.)

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Feel free to discuss these and propose new ones or edits to already existing rules.

caio3771: I guess so, unless someone else's exceptionally manage to bring something useful to that topic.

This post has been edited by Secronom President on Saturday, Aug 25 2012, 13:38