[ramzie4718]

Do you think Rockstar Games knew it would take over 9 months for them to release another trailer when they released the first one? If they did I think it was a stupid thing to do in the first place...

[Barguast]

I'd be surprised if it was intentional. If so, it was a pretty bad idea... then again, what will the consequence of a bunch of angry fans be? We'll all still buy the game anyway as well as every other game in the series. And the DLC. Nevertheless, it's certainly bad form.

[krspkbl]

QUOTE (ramzie4718 @ Friday, Aug 17 2012, 10:53)

Do you think Rockstar Games knew it would take over 9 months for them to release another trailer when they released the first one? If they did I think it was a stupid thing to do in the first place...

It's possible they knew but keep in mind Max Payne 3 was delayed by 2 months and hasn't sold too well. V marketing would be delayed by 2 months and it seems they want to push the DLC for MP3 as much as they can.

I think we were probably meant to get V info around about July/August and MAYBE the game was supposed to be released in October. Might explain why they gave us the two screenshots in July. I think they have internally delayed V to 2013 and will start marketing around October/November. It would probably have been later if they didn't consolidate the remaining MP3 DLC's.

Just my thoughts.

[ZoomZoom]

QUOTE (Barguast @ Friday, Aug 17 2012, 10:31)

I'd be surprised if it was intentional. If so, it was a pretty bad idea... then again, what will the consequence of a bunch of angry fans be? We'll all still buy the game anyway as well as every other game in the series. And the DLC. Nevertheless, it's certainly bad form.

Same view here. But isn't it good rather than WAITING THE WAIT to ENJOY THE WAIT???? Like me

[Xcommunicated]

At this point I'm convinced MP3's marketing had little to nothing to do with it and that the game was likely delayed before marketing had started. They could have come forward, told us it had been delayed, resulting in everyone being disappointed. But clearly they've chosen silence and letting everyone speculate over the minutia of everything we can find. Whether bad form or a brilliant marketing technique, the silence has stirred up a lot of attention.

[StretchPesos]

QUOTE (krspkbl @ Friday, Aug 17 2012, 10:35)

QUOTE (ramzie4718 @ Friday, Aug 17 2012, 10:53) Do you think Rockstar Games knew it would take over 9 months for them to release another trailer when they released the first one? If they did I think it was a stupid thing to do in the first place... It's possible they knew but keep in mind Max Payne 3 was delayed by 2 months and hasn't sold too well. V marketing would be delayed by 2 months and it seems they want to push the DLC for MP3 as much as they can. I think we were probably meant to get V info around about July/August and MAYBE the game was supposed to be released in October. Might explain why they gave us the two screenshots in July. I think they have internally delayed V to 2013 and will start marketing around October/November. It would probably have been later if they didn't consolidate the remaining MP3 DLC's. Just my thoughts.

If they have delayed V to 2013 then it won't be released until March 31st (BioShock Infinite is coming in Feb.) which means there is zero chance of any marketing starting in October.... more like January at the very earliest.

Of course, that also means Take-Two won't live up to their projected revenue #'s for for FY '13 which ends in March. TakeTwo could not survive that from their investors. So there's no chance of that scenario playing out which means 2 things:
Either Bioshock gets pushed back and GTA V comes in Feb. to get 2 months worth of sales in before the fiscal year ends, OR V is getting released over the holidays.

If TakeTwo lowers their projected revenue numbers at the September conf. call we will know that GTA V is coming after March '13. If not, I'm sure we'll start seeing the beginnings of the marketing campaign.

This post has been edited by StretchPesos on Friday, Aug 17 2012, 11:07

[krspkbl]

QUOTE (StretchPesos @ Friday, Aug 17 2012, 12:00)

QUOTE (krspkbl @ Friday, Aug 17 2012, 10:35) QUOTE (ramzie4718 @ Friday, Aug 17 2012, 10:53) Do you think Rockstar Games knew it would take over 9 months for them to release another trailer when they released the first one? If they did I think it was a stupid thing to do in the first place... It's possible they knew but keep in mind Max Payne 3 was delayed by 2 months and hasn't sold too well. V marketing would be delayed by 2 months and it seems they want to push the DLC for MP3 as much as they can. I think we were probably meant to get V info around about July/August and MAYBE the game was supposed to be released in October. Might explain why they gave us the two screenshots in July. I think they have internally delayed V to 2013 and will start marketing around October/November. It would probably have been later if they didn't consolidate the remaining MP3 DLC's. Just my thoughts. If they have delayed V to 2013, then I doubt they would start marketing it in October.... BioShock Infinite comes out in Feb. which means if V is coming in 2013 it wouldn't be until March 31st at the earliest. So that puts marketing starting in January at the earliest. Of course, that also means Take-Two won't live up to their projected revenue #'s for for FY '13 which ends in March. I don't think TakeTwo could survive that from their investors.

So do you think it'll be out this year?

Don't get me wrong, I hope it does come out 2012 but it just seems so unlikely

[StretchPesos]

QUOTE (krspkbl @ Friday, Aug 17 2012, 11:06)

So do you think it'll be out this year? Don't get me wrong, I hope it does come out 2012 but it just seems so unlikely

I just edited my post before I saw yours to add in the condition that the conference call in Sept. is a chance for TakeTwo to change those numbers. I just think it would be very odd for them to change them then after no indication of that happening before but it could happen.

So to answer your question, as it stands right now- holiday release because nothing has happened to the projected numbers. It's still early to start a marketing campaign for a holiday release, but I would expect that if we don't hear anything in the next 30 days then it's a late spring of 2013 release for sure.

This post has been edited by StretchPesos on Friday, Aug 17 2012, 11:25

[bluetops]

The wait feeds the hype. That's what R* thinks. and me

[Cyfa]

I don't think they care. I mean you heard it on the financial call, they expect 1.8 billion within the first half of the next fiscal year. They are going to make money from GTA no matter what.

As a gamer, I want to critique them for pushing so much DLC on a game nobody really care's about, but that's not how the business world works. From a company aspect though, it is very odd to release a trailer and wait over 9 months to release any real changing news, 2 screen shots can only do so much. So I don't think they predicted MP3 would sell so low, plus when a game is delayed over and over again you're pushing other projects back further.

This post has been edited by Cyfa on Friday, Aug 17 2012, 11:34

[Mokrie Dela]

Yes. The trailer was released to raise invester confidence and their company's worth. Perhaps they wanted to give us something, but then the fans said "not enough you c*nts"

Hell maybe they've done what I would have done and after releasing the trailer realised that many of these "fans" are spoilt brats who cant be pleased and ater the hateful comments sent to them said "Well fine, no game for you till you grow up". But i doubt that.


Since the release of the 360 in 2005 or whenever the hell it was, a pattern has emerged. That of money and greed. There once was a game called Assassin's Creed, that was praised. That elevated the company to the big stages. But then they thought "Here's number two, but what if we took bits out of the game, and sold it to them as extas?"
That's exactly what they did, and they werent the only ones

Rockstar avoided this. GTA IV's DLC is among the best quality ones. For under £20 you get effectively two new games. Fallout too did the same - PROPER DLC.

But companies like EA, Activision and Ubisoft, to name but a few (as every company does it now) offer "incentives" to preorder - bonus (read removed) content, extra (read cut out) missions and weapons. You pay for what they deliberately withheld.

Still, Rockstar avoided this but with Red Dead came a tiny flash of worry: the preorder DLC. The outfit, the horse, the guns. No one could have all three until lwell over a YEAR later - THEN you had to pay for it. It was a small point and Undead Nightmare once again proved that DLC can be worth the money.

But then came a game called LA Noire, where cases were REMOVED from the final cut of the gam (Xbox users can play one of the homicide (i think) cases where at the beginning, the cops talk of "martinez" or something - an in depth conversation about a case that the gamer has not played. Why? BEcause the case (the consuls car) is only for PS3, a "f*ck you" That R* did with EFLC.

There was a multitude of preorder and exlusive content for LA Noire, THEN the usual raping of DLC. Granted, the cases were more substantial than a single weapon (another DLC that LA NOIRE had), but the warning signs are there.

My prediction hinges on the rumour that R* do not plan "Episodes from Los Santos" DLC. Instead i FULLY expect to see GTA V having preorders from one shop having a unique car, preorders from another having a weapon, or a section of map, or some radio songs, while European purchases offer YET ANOTHER "exlsusive bonus" and US ones offering yet another.

Then there's the DLC- likely a few extra cars or a radio station. I expect to see this because this is the way the industry is, and the pattern i (personally) see Rockstar taking.

So yes, i think Rockstar/TT knew EXACTLY what they were doing with the trailer and the almost year long wait for the next one. They have alienated some games, incited others to boycott the game or pirate it, and made most of the rest of us just look toward Saints Row or True Crime Sleeping Dogs, or whatever. I'm sure V will be a great game, but I think Rockstar are beginning to succumb to the Dark Side of the industry.

[bud23]

I doubt it, imo the game was planned for a release in october 2012,but you know, a huge game, "our biggest map ever", the Xbox 360 version could have been problematic, a possible Wii U version....clearly seems a delay until early 2013.

This strategy is stupid (6,7,8....11 months without information) . People compares the time between GTA IV announcement at E3 2006 and the first trailer, but the situation was completely different. Was Microsoft who announced the game to advertise its new console, no Rockstar and not with a trailer.

Even then GTA IV was launched 3´5 years after SA( in those 3´5 years R* built a new engine for a new hardware and did a new game), now, they will launch GTAV FIVE years after the last GTA, the longest gap between two GTA games in R* history..... working with the same engine and in the same hardware than the last gta.

It´s not intentional,simply it´s an example of how R* works , I mean delaying its games sistematically, causing as collateral damages delays in all its next projects.

[noid449]

i don`t think they are behind i think its just in progress and we the fans are itching for the game.
hyping ourselves up each day. it will be here when its ready and when they want to release it.
not a day sooner.

[Barguast]

I don't think the wait is feeding the hype or gathering attention. It's doing nothing. Outside of this forum, no-one I know and no gaming websites I read give it much attention at all. The odd sniff of information - the screenshots for instance - hardly fires up much enthusiasm either. I find myself coming to this forum just to clean house.

It'll obviously change once the news really starts coming in, but for now I don't think Rockstar are doing themselves any favours - financially, or from a PR perspective - and that leads me to believe that something is amiss. I can't see this being planned.

[noid449]

i feel that they released information as a tease or as a ok ok here`s what we are doing next ... they didnt realise that soon as they said we are working on it , that people were like, OMGZ trolloollol, when is it out i want it now, its coming out tomorrow etc .. so now it seems we are waiting for a long long time.
which we are, but just part of the game i guess.

[Vin89]

They could release a Trailer tomorrow. They just don't want to.

[ThePinkFloydSound]

QUOTE (Mokrie Dela @ Friday, Aug 17 2012, 12:31)

So yes, i think Rockstar/TT knew EXACTLY what they were doing with the trailer and the almost year long wait for the next one. They have alienated some games, incited others to boycott the game or pirate it, and made most of the rest of us just look toward Saints Row or True Crime Sleeping Dogs, or whatever. I'm sure V will be a great game, but I think Rockstar are beginning to succumb to the Dark Side of the industry.

Interesting post. I also fear the same.

[mrsurferdude]

QUOTE (Barguast @ Friday, Aug 17 2012, 12:14)

I don't think the wait is feeding the hype or gathering attention. It's doing nothing. Outside of this forum, no-one I know and no gaming websites I read give it much attention at all. The odd sniff of information - the screenshots for instance - hardly fires up much enthusiasm either. I find myself coming to this forum just to clean house. It'll obviously change once the news really starts coming in, but for now I don't think Rockstar are doing themselves any favours - financially, or from a PR perspective - and that leads me to believe that something is amiss. I can't see this being planned.

I agree.

It's either this or they decided to change some aspects of the game late enough to mess things up.

IMO they might have found a bug in late development, something Devs fear as death itself, and they're trying to fix the whole thing so we dont get a Skyrim (my reference refers to the fact that the game is amazing but not all it could be cause of the bugs).

Now i do hope that, as theorized by Mokrie Dela, I sure hope they're not going to the dark side. That would suck for us.

[Coral_City]

Just remember guys, the GTA fanbase is a very small minority in the general gaming community.

[Mokrie Dela]

QUOTE (Coral_City @ Friday, Aug 17 2012, 16:07)

Just remember guys, the GTA fanbase is a very small minority in the general gaming community.

Aint that that truth. It's that fact that makes me sad for games like Splinter Cell : Blacklist, where the fans say "we don't like it" yet the rest of the gaming world go "Ooooh, looks like COD"