[nightwalker83]

QUOTE (GTAvanja @ Tuesday, Aug 14 2012, 20:56)

QUOTE (spiderman3000 @ Tuesday, Aug 14 2012, 04:37) You pay for PLAYING the game, not that you actually own the content within the disc itself Just because you were dumb enough to fall for that doesn't mean the rest of us are that dumb.

That is what activation is for! Some games and software requires a membership where you have to pay for the right to use the software/game for a given length of time. While you physically own the cd/dvd you are just paying for a privilege to use the game/software.

[Fireman]

Some fools here didn't get the f*cking point in the first place.

It doesn't matter if it's on Disc or off-Disc, if you made DLC BEFORE the game is released you suck.

If the content is already done and not in the game just so you can make more money later, you're a greedy bastard. However when it's on the disc it's easier to find out that they already made the DLC before releasing the game. That's why people seem to hate this more than off-CD DLC.

[spiderman3000]

QUOTE (AceRay @ Tuesday, Aug 14 2012, 09:22)

Its simple really. If they make DLC before the game comes out then that means they were holding off content in game to get more money out of the player. Hence, we are literally getting screwed DLC is DOWNLOADABLE content, it goes against its name.

Devs could EASILY make DLC before the game even releases and sell them later on, so whats the point? I am damn sure 90% of game companies make DLCs before the game even releases but because of fear of getting bashed at by people, they dont put it in the disc(hidden content) You're not even supposed to know that the content was there in the first place. So I dont see what's the problem.

People here have said that they bought the game and now own the disc... yes, they do. NOT the content inside of it. If the devs dont want you to access this info, its their decision, not yours. You're only allowed to play the game, not peek inside and find hidden content the devs didn't intended to unlock yet. If you did own the content, would be like giving away the whole damn game source for just 60 bucks.

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So you've only played modern games, then? Not even Grand Theft Auto III, Vice City, or San Andreas?

Why in the world are you bringing up last gen games? There was no such thing as DLC then.

This post has been edited by spiderman3000 on Tuesday, Aug 14 2012, 14:26

[Dj_Gh0zt]

Not sure if OP works for Volition

Or is just an idiot. *FryFace


By that logic spiderman, they could have EASILY put it in the game.

You really shouldn't be talking, since you did say you are gonna pirate GTAV if it didn't have modding

[spiderman3000]

QUOTE (Dj_Gh0zt @ Tuesday, Aug 14 2012, 14:25)

Not sure if OP works for Volition Or is just an idiot. *FryFace By that logic spiderman, they could have EASILY put it in the game. You really shouldn't be talking, since you did say you are gonna pirate GTAV if it didn't have modding

You seem to have a great memory

I am not taking greediness of the devs into account here. Just saying that having on disc content or not having it is basically the same thing. The latter one just seems to mask and deceive you as "new" most of the time.

[Cosmic Gypsy]

They hold back sh*t for the game, then charge us extra, for something already on the disc, and your asking us why we hate it?...... DLC itself is (most of the time) a rip off even if its not already on the standard disc.

Idiot.

[spiderman3000]

QUOTE (Cosmic Gypsy @ Tuesday, Aug 14 2012, 14:31)

They hold back sh*t for the game, then charge us extra, for something already on the disc, and your asking us why we hate it?...... DLC itself is (most of the time) a rip off even if its not already on the standard disc. Idiot.

So, basically you hate DLC altogether? I am just talking about hating on disc DLC. I'm also sick of this DLC garbage but hating on disc DLC more is just absurd(see my previous comment).

[fullmetal]

OP supports being an ignorant fool and thinks everyone should be like that? Oh great... but please I bet 99% of the frequent posters here completely disagree with you.

[Dj_Gh0zt]

QUOTE (spiderman3000 @ Tuesday, Aug 14 2012, 14:30)

QUOTE (Dj_Gh0zt @ Tuesday, Aug 14 2012, 14:25) Not sure if OP works for Volition Or is just an idiot. *FryFace By that logic spiderman, they could have EASILY put it in the game. You really shouldn't be talking, since you did say you are gonna pirate GTAV if it didn't have modding You seem to have a great memory I am not taking greediness of the devs into account here. Just saying that having on disc content or not having it is basically the same thing. The latter one just seems to mask and deceive you as "new" most of the time.

I do

Ok, i wouldn't mind if they have a couple DLC here and there, even after the game just released, mostly because i don't care, and i probably wouldn't buy it.

But they actually have the nerve to put it on the Disc. How hard would it be to put it in game if you are finished with it anyway, and have time to put it on the disc?

[spiderman3000]

QUOTE (Dj_Gh0zt @ Tuesday, Aug 14 2012, 14:37)

QUOTE (spiderman3000 @ Tuesday, Aug 14 2012, 14:30) QUOTE (Dj_Gh0zt @ Tuesday, Aug 14 2012, 14:25) Not sure if OP works for Volition Or is just an idiot. *FryFace By that logic spiderman, they could have EASILY put it in the game. You really shouldn't be talking, since you did say you are gonna pirate GTAV if it didn't have modding You seem to have a great memory I am not taking greediness of the devs into account here. Just saying that having on disc content or not having it is basically the same thing. The latter one just seems to mask and deceive you as "new" most of the time. I do Ok, i wouldn't mind if they have a couple DLC here and there, even after the game just released, mostly because i don't care, and i probably wouldn't buy it. But they actually have the nerve to put it on the Disc. How hard would it be to put it in game if you are finished with it anyway, and have time to put it on the disc?

I know game devs probably dont think like this, but lets be optimistic and look on the bright side of on disc DLC. People with slow internet(I know people who still have frickin' 1Mb connections!) want to buy the DLC, but the downloading is a pain and will take a lot of time. So, having on disc DLC actually helps since you just need to download a few source files to unlock the content

[Robinski]

QUOTE (spiderman3000 @ Tuesday, Aug 14 2012, 14:57)

I know game devs probably dont think like this, but lets be optimistic and look on the bright side of on disc DLC. People with slow internet(I know people who still have frickin' 1Mb connections!) want to buy the DLC, but the downloading is a pain and will take a lot of time. So, having on disc DLC actually helps since you just need to download a few source files to unlock the content

You're crazy. What you put forward here is an argument in favour of selling DLC in a physical form as well, e.g. Episodes from Liberty City. If anything, it's a hindrance to those with a slow/no internet connection because they have to download something extra (the access code or whatever it is) when everything they need to access the content is already on the disc. Imagine if you didn't have the internet for a couple of weeks, so you go out to buy the new album from that band you like. You get home and whack it in your (now offline) computer only to get to the 3rd from last track to get a message saying you need to pay an extra 99p to access the last couple of tracks. Tracks that you can see in the file viewer. They are there, but you can't play them, on the album you bought.

Or you buy a DVD of that movie you've heard loads about. But once you get to the end, it didn't really make any sense. After the credits roll a message appears on screen telling you that you can purchase the key 4 scenes from the middle of the film that explain why all the events of the beginning and the end happened.

You don't seem to grasp the concept that it's not even DLC once the content is on-disc. It's literally just putting a paywall around certain features of the game, much like games built on micro-transactions except this time you've actually purchased the game.

[badboy_zay]

QUOTE (spiderman3000 @ Tuesday, Aug 14 2012, 21:57)

I know game devs probably dont think like this, but lets be optimistic and look on the bright side of on disc DLC. People with slow internet(I know people who still have frickin' 1Mb connections!) want to buy the DLC, but the downloading is a pain and will take a lot of time. So, having on disc DLC actually helps since you just need to download a few source files to unlock the content

then why not make it for free ? why not put it in a full game so people don't have to download it ?
you pay DLC to get extra contents ingame, not to get contents that should be in game.

beside, it's called DLC for a reason, you must DOWNLOAD IT, if you don't have a good internet, that's your problem.
on Steam, the maximum speed I can get is around 200-400kb/s. yeah, it's a pain in the arse, it took time and require a lot patient. but what's the problem? soon or late it will be completed anyway

This post has been edited by badboy_zay on Tuesday, Aug 14 2012, 15:38

[Pat]

QUOTE (spiderman3000 @ Tuesday, Aug 14 2012, 09:21)

QUOTE So you've only played modern games, then? Not even Grand Theft Auto III, Vice City, or San Andreas? Why in the world are you bringing up last gen games? There was no such thing as DLC then.

Because you said, and I quote, "I haven't played a single game which didn't have DLC." If you've never played "a single game which didn't have DLC," you've obviously never played anything that came out before the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 existed. Either that, or you're contradicting yourself.

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You're not even supposed to know that the content was there in the first place. So I dont see what's the problem.

So if I sell you a car and take out the spare tire without telling you, and you realize it only after purchasing the car, what I did is totally acceptable because you were never supposed to know the spare tire was there in the first place. Infallible logic.

Please f*ck off and never return.

[spiderman3000]

QUOTE (Pat @ Tuesday, Aug 14 2012, 15:53)

QUOTE (spiderman3000 @ Tuesday, Aug 14 2012, 09:21) QUOTE So you've only played modern games, then? Not even Grand Theft Auto III, Vice City, or San Andreas? Why in the world are you bringing up last gen games? There was no such thing as DLC then. Because you said, and I quote, "I haven't played a single game which didn't have DLC." If you've never played "a single game which didn't have DLC," you've obviously never played anything that came out before the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 existed. Either that, or you're contradicting yourself. QUOTE You're not even supposed to know that the content was there in the first place. So I dont see what's the problem. So if I sell you a car and take out the spare tire without telling you, and you realize it only after purchasing the car, what I did is totally acceptable because you were never supposed to know the spare tire was there in the first place. Infallible logic. Please f*ck off and never return.

Your argument is laughable. Seriously? How idiotic can you be? You're talking about games not having DLC when DLC NEVER EXISTED! Your argument doesn't hold water AT ALL. Its basic common sense. I've been gaming since 1996 and have seen and lived the best gaming era ever. This generation has to be the worst gaming generation ever.


So why the hell are you comparing hardware to software? You play the game, that's it. You're not supposed to look inside of the source. Just play and enjoy the experience. How can you EVER find out that there was supposed to be DLC content in the disc unless you poke around in the files? The answer is, you're never supposed to know!
Its not like they are teasing and annoying you to buy the damn DLC. So what difference is there between on disc DLC and downloadable DLC besides having to download a chunk of data?

So cars have to come with spare tires? What sort of logic is this? You just want to find a way to just make yourself feel somebody important by having to find some way to contradict me. If you want to do that, come up with a better reason. I dont mind people giving reasons for contradicting, but this is just stupid.

[Pat]

QUOTE (spiderman3000 @ Tuesday, Aug 14 2012, 11:25)

Your argument is laughable. Seriously? How idiotic can you be? You're talking about games not having DLC when DLC NEVER EXISTED! Your argument doesn't hold water AT ALL. Its basic common sense. I've been gaming since 1996 and have seen and lived the best gaming era ever.  This generation has to be the worst gaming generation ever.

It's not an argument, it's an observation. You're too stupid to even realize that you've contradicted yourself. If you have been playing video games since 1996, you have, at some point, played a video game that did not feature DLC. It does not matter whether DLC existed at the time or not, because the fact of the matter is that the game did not feature DLC. How f*cking hard is this to comprehend?

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So why the hell are you comparing hardware to software? You play the game, that's it. You're not supposed to look inside of the source. Just play and enjoy the experience. How can you EVER find out that there was supposed to be DLC content in the disc unless you poke around in the files? The answer is, you're never supposed to know!

Here comes the argument that I'm so accustomed to dealing with when debating on-disc DLC. "You can't compare that to the video game industry!" That's exactly right. I can't. Do you know why? Because this sh*t does not fly in any other industry. The video game industry is the only commercial industry in existence where you can sell an unfinished product to a consumer, sell them the rest of the product later on for an additional fee, and suddenly it's 100% acceptable because "well they're a corporation, they have to make money somehow." This is why people like John Riccitiello have even gone so far as to consider charging their consumers to reload their weapon in the middle of a battle - because they know people like you will sit back and take it.

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So cars have to come with spare tires? What sort of logic is this?

The kind of logic that has existed since 1904. All modern vehicles include a spare tire of some form. All older vehicles featured a spare tire of some form. Over 95% of all antique vehicles that were manufactured after 1904 featured a spare tire of some form. Really, it baffles me how you don't already know this.

[ccrogers15]

Because ok disk DLC is content on a disk YOU BOUGHT. Meaning there keeping portions of the game locked until you buy it. Saints Row The Third for instance, all the content was unlocked in the PC version by a hacker and he found alot of it and accessed all the "DLC" missions. 50% of saints row 3 is DLC. In total, this DLC adds up to around 10GB on the disk, but the DLC you download from the store to unlock it is under 1MB. Its ridiculous. DLC should be free, or banned.

[anuj]

Before we start, I swear to Allah if I see any more name calling I'm going to start issuing bans.

You're raising an interesting question. What do we actually own when we buy a physical copy of a game from a retailer? I went out and bought MW3 for the 360. As soon as I opened that package, the five page black and white manual informed me that by opening the package and using the software installed on the disc, that I agreed to several things that are probably beyond the scope of comprehension for the average person who enjoys COD.

According to this jumble of legalese, when you use this software you agree that you're basically getting a limited license to the software on-disk that they intended for you to have access to. To quote the SLA "Your license confers no title or ownership in this Program and should not be construed as a sale of any rights in this Program." They're not even joking around. If you try (and succeed) to access content that you would not find in the normal course of play, or that you were never intended to have free access to, you literally have to destroy your own disk.

I completely understand the development reason why they include day-1 DLC on disk. Doesn't exactly pertain to bandwidth, but it's close. Microsoft certification for patches is a thunderous raging c*nt of a process, takes valuable time, and makes gamers who were going to purchase the DLC irate because it might not be available immediately. But if they ship with the DLC on the disk, and then just put up a store option to unlock it? That avoids a lot of wasted money and time.

This argument just seems to exist because of the distribution system that is in place now. There's a strange disconnect here. If you buy a physical copy from a retailer, you own that physical piece of media, but you have no rights to the software contained within. If you buy a game from Steam, you are basically getting a license to use the software that you download to your computer. If you really hate the term "downloadable content" that much, think of it as "disk locked content".

In the end, the reason people don't like on-disk DLC is because it's one of those things that just strike them as a greedy cash-grab from distributors who want to milk a little bit of extra money out of a studio's hard work before they move on to the next big thing. It's like paying for cheat codes in Godfather or horse armor in Oblivion. They are things that gamers feel entitled to because they're used to getting them for free, or that they feel it is a rip off to have to pay for them. "Gamer entitlement" is another huge issue though.

[The Killa]

You could buy a nice steak at a restaurant for $30.

Oh, but the $30 is only for 2/3 of it. The rest is an extra $15, discounted to $13 if you decide to buy it in the first minute. Also you get a free hat for buying it.

[Gtaghost22]

QUOTE (nightwalker83 @ Tuesday, Aug 14 2012, 08:11)

QUOTE (Gtaghost22 @ Tuesday, Aug 14 2012, 16:22) because they are f*cking greedy. No, because they have to recover the cost of making the disks, the box, the manuals, etc plus profit.

Oh, Really?

I don't recall Rockstar cutting content from GTA IV and selling it to us later, thier DLCs are one of the best selling expansion packs this gen for a reason. because they are f*cking quality.

@OP
It's your choice if you want your wallet raped by greedy publishers but don't try to convince us it's ok, because it's not

[anuj]

QUOTE (The Killa @ Tuesday, Aug 14 2012, 12:02)

You could buy a nice steak at a restaurant for $30. Oh, but the $30 is only for 2/3 of it. The rest is an extra $15, discounted to $13 if you decide to buy it in the first minute. Also you get a free hat for buying it.

You could buy a nice steak at a restaurant for $30.

And gamers would think they're entitled to the cow.