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So this has been something I've been wondering about for quite a while. In almost every game, there are no children, anywhere.
Why is this still such a big issue to gaming developers? Because a game is 18+ doesn't mean all NPC's have to be 18+, right?
There is sex, but no pregnancy. There are mom's and dad's, but no children. The last game I recall that has children in them as open-world was Fallout II.
So why do people have something against children being in a game? I can remember that there was a topic before about this subject (not sure on which forum though) and it ended up with the reason that "the innocence of a child will be harmed".
Why do people care about pixelated children dieing in games, yet go on and shoot a bunch of innocent pixelated civilians while laughing. Can someone explain this to me?
This post has been edited by Fireman on Sunday, Aug 5 2012, 12:27
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Among the Sleep is an upcoming game that will have you play as a 2-year old child:
Besides the controversy, I'm not so sure that having a bunch of damn kids running around in a game like GTA is going to add any worthwhile realism or depth to the game. I'm certainly not opposed to it, but the absence is not killing the experience for me by any means.
I don't really care if there are kids in games or not, but I hate instances like Fallout where there are kids but you can't kill them when just about everyone else can be killed.
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The last game I recall that has children in them as open-world was Fallout II.
Didn't children get removed from the European release or was that only the first Fallout? I wish I never patched the kids back into mine; they kept running in the way during firefights and getting their faces blown off, causing everyone to hate me.
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QUOTE (Fireman @ Sunday, Aug 5 2012, 05:24)
In almost every game, there are no children, anywhere.
How many games do you play? There are plenty of children. Unless you're just actually asking why you can't kill them.
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what's the game developers problem with children that can die?
Ah, okay. Because today it's viewed as morally wrong and will probably be followed by bans in many countries. It's not really that hard of a conclusion to reach.
There are mods of course.
This post has been edited by The Killa on Sunday, Aug 5 2012, 22:23
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QUOTE (The Killa @ Sunday, Aug 5 2012, 22:12)
Ah, okay. Because today it's viewed as morally wrong and will probably be followed by bans in many countries. It's not really that hard of a conclusion to reach.
Aha!
See, I forgot that killing innocent people isn't morally wrong. I also forgot that all these million games where you can kill innocent people were banned in many countries. Thanks for the reminder. I knew the conclusion was this easy to find!
Your very right man, other forms of media portray them, such as SoA, Breaking bad and extremely violent movies. Just because its a game, I don`t feel it should be treated differently.
What really classifies a child hmmm? I'm seventeen and by British law I'm still a child even though I've got a job, a girlfriend, a car (a bad one that's cost me a sh*t ton on insurance) and live in my own apartment. Yet, I'm still legally the same as a six year old. So would anyone here have any second thoughts about killing an seventeen year-old person in GTA, not me and even games like Fallout 3 there's a sixteen year-old guy you can kill in all manner of gruesome ways.
Also the ESRB or PEGI or whoever's rating games now days with children in them must realise that even if the kids aren't killable there'll most likely be a modification brought out to kill them anyway, so really what's the difference ? it doesn't cost any money to download a modification to a game and it'll be readily available to anybody no matter what their age is that owns a PC.
Some of the best mods in any games are those that allow you to kill children for anyone who's ever played F03 do you remember Little Lamp Light? Well this is for all us.
It's stupid for any age rating system not to take into account all of the factors that I've mentioned and as such I think children in games - even killable children shouldn't really be that much of an issue for the gaming industry any more. I mean, come on do you really think video games are still in their infancy ? they're over fifty years old and even now without the approval of game rating boards we still do the things that they'd ban games immediately for, so what's the problem ?
To me there's no difference between shooting a virtual innocent adult person who's never actually existed and is just a bunch of 1's and 0's and shooting a virtual innocent child who's never acutally existed and is just a bunch of 1's and zeros.
This post has been edited by Lightning Strike on Monday, Aug 6 2012, 13:05
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Skyrim is one of the few games I've played that has children, an honestly, their presence doesn't make the game any more realistic or immersive. As you can't hurt children (the video Narcis posted is modded), they're just this ridiculously invulnerable type of NPC's and imo just disturb the realism. Honestly, children in video games aren't a big deal, present or absent. If some old lady is butt-hurt because of a video game featuring children, I'd rather leave them out than let the controversy erupt. No-one outside the business really appreciates it properly as an art form, anyways.
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Fable series also had children. Also you could have your own kids with multiple npcs. I dont think it ruins the realism at all infact it adds to it. Obviously some games suits having children present and some dont.
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QUOTE (Fireman @ Monday, Aug 6 2012, 04:32)
QUOTE (The Killa @ Sunday, Aug 5 2012, 22:12)
Ah, okay. Because today it's viewed as morally wrong and will probably be followed by bans in many countries. It's not really that hard of a conclusion to reach.
Aha!
See, I forgot that killing innocent people isn't morally wrong. I also forgot that all these million games where you can kill innocent people were banned in many countries. Thanks for the reminder. I knew the conclusion was this easy to find!
So if adults have an equal morality scope compared to children, then do you think it's okay if you're allowed to have sex with children in games? Do you think it's okay to pick up children prostitutes, have sex with them, then beat them to death afterwards? But it's okay to kill them? Killing children is worse than having sex with them. It's ALL about moralities.
If you genuinely believe that countries and their game rating administrations would not care about child killing or such in games, you're desperately wrong. Hence the reason game developers won't do it. I'm pretty sure it's downright illegal in some countries.
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QUOTE (The Killa @ Monday, Aug 6 2012, 18:19)
QUOTE (Fireman @ Monday, Aug 6 2012, 04:32)
QUOTE (The Killa @ Sunday, Aug 5 2012, 22:12)
Ah, okay. Because today it's viewed as morally wrong and will probably be followed by bans in many countries. It's not really that hard of a conclusion to reach.
Aha!
See, I forgot that killing innocent people isn't morally wrong. I also forgot that all these million games where you can kill innocent people were banned in many countries. Thanks for the reminder. I knew the conclusion was this easy to find!
So if adults have an equal morality scope compared to children, then do you think it's okay if you're allowed to have sex with children in games? Do you think it's okay to pick up children prostitutes, have sex with them, then beat them to death afterwards? But it's okay to kill them? Killing children is worse than having sex with them. It's ALL about moralities.
If you genuinely believe that countries and their game rating administrations would not care about child killing or such in games, you're desperately wrong. Hence the reason game developers won't do it. I'm pretty sure it's downright illegal in some countries.
And that's the point, why is it so hard for people to find the difference between real life and video games when it's about pixelated children while they apparently find it extremely easy to find the difference between adults in video games or adults in real life.
Also I do think it's okay to do that stuff to pixelated children in games. Just as okay as I find the same sh*t happening to pixelated adults (which I do as it's a game). Also where did that sex thing suddenly come from?
A video game doesn't need moral standards that are used in real life. It's why people just loooveee them shooting and crime games. I'm pretty sure that game rating administrations care just as much about killing children in a game than they do about killing adults in the game and I think it leads to the same rating. Then again, I have no source.
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First off, anything sexually related in videogames is always 1000x worse that killing the cops in GTA. It's stupid, but it's more of a societal fear of talking about sex and we can't change it.
I forget who said that thing about mods, but if the ESRB and PEGI had to start rating games based on what mods could bring to them, then every game EVER would be rated M. All of them.
Just replace one of Putt-Putt's subtitles with "f*ckf*ckf*ckf*ck" and insta-M.
Mods aren't part of the rating process.
Second, the idea of killing is of taking away the life that person has yet to live. Obviously children have a lot more life to live, and therefore it's worse to kill them.Video games are still in an early phase of their becoming an artistic medium, we're at a point where most people kind of understand they aren't training terrorists and aren't porn, but we still crucify the extreme ones. Fox News Bulletstorm probably being the most recent, although I'm sure they'll set their sights on GTA 5 and Black Ops 2 when they come out.
Publishers don't want to create tons of controversy. Look at how EA handled the Medal of Honor Taliban situation. That means bans and boycotts, which hurts sales. Killing children would be an even bigger deal, and would easily give Fox News and other stupid f*ckwits plenty of ammo against their never-ending crusade against anything new.
In short, killing children=less sales. Less sales=less money. Less money=BAAAAAAAAAAAD.
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