[El Zilcho]

Boys will be boys. He's 14, far past being a kid these days. It's reasonable to assume that you, as a parent, would be concerned about something which can be so heinous, but educate him on the risks because chances are you won't be able to completely stop him from browsing, especially since he and his friends have already be on. Chances are they'll lose interest anyway.

[K^2]

QUOTE (El Zilcho @ Wednesday, Aug 1 2012, 17:12)

However, K^2, you've also stated a bit of a fallacy there. Criminal gangs who run child prostitution and pornography rings only do so because their clients have a access to these sites... without safeguards on clients anonymity, it stands to reason there would be less of a market, and hence less abuse of children.

Yeah, I exaggerated a bit. These kinds of criminal activities existed and thrived before the internet, so clearly it's not the sort of thing you are going to stop by shutting down anonymous networks. But there is some impact. I should not have dismissed it all together. It is, however, minimal compared to benefits. After all, freedom of speech can also be abused to harm someone. But it's better than the alternative. Ability to distribute any form of information freely without fear of incrimination is important for building and maintaining a free society. Fact that people are forced to hide like this to share certain kinds of data is kind of sad. And ultimately, that makes catching people who do actual harm a lot harder.

[Mike Tequeli]

QUOTE (Dragonjack @ Wednesday, Aug 1 2012, 20:57)

Has the Governement ever spoken about "deep web?" because to me this is just wrong and not right in my opinion.

I'm pretty sure that's not a thing you can be for or against.

[Captain VXR]

QUOTE (cidamelo @ Wednesday, Aug 1 2012, 21:53)

K^2 thank you for the explanation I am talking about this deep web thing because my newer son (he is 14 years old) said some friends of him accessed terrible things through this deep web (my son said he has never entered it, and so I hope!! ) so I was thinking maybe his friends were just lying, but now I know it's true Obviously I knew things like these existed on the web, but I thought they were more hidden! Like you've said, deep web has its good side, but I think it's horrible to young and curious kids to have such an easy access to its bad things!! Captain VXR Have you read the second link? They bought drugs for real!! Shocking! It's too 'steampunk'!

Yeah, I've read many articles where people have bought things like LSD off there. Ordering soft drugs I wouldn't find shocking, however the possibility of anyone with TOR and some bitcoins getting smack or PCP delivered to their door is a bit unsettling. I guess it'd be nice to be able to pick and choose strains, and maybe get better prices depending on the source location that makes me want to get some weed off there in the future.

[cidamelo]

El Zilcho well, he says to me he would never enter in those sites! And I hope so

[El_Diablo]

you can't just "enter" any of the really bad sites anyway.
even if you figure out their floating address.

the worst of the Deep Web (child porn, terrorist communications) use a series of passwords that change daily.
they only allow access to new members on an invitation basis. you have to know and be recommended to the community by an existing member.

they're not that stupid.

[Warlord.]

QUOTE (860 @ Thursday, Aug 2 2012, 01:17)

QUOTE (Throw @ Wednesday, Aug 1 2012, 22:40) QUOTE (cidamelo @ Wednesday, Aug 1 2012, 19:35) bad things like drug trafficking Please elaborate on your opinion of drugs and their legalization.. Why? So you can whip out your epic debating skills? This topic is about the deep web, not drugs. If you feel like debating, go here.

Best post in this topic.

[sivispacem]

The vast majority of the deep web is nothing at all to be concerned about. It's mostly composed of things like web access hosts for VPN and networking tools that can't be viewed without specialist software (think things like VMWare Fusion), as well as the more obvious deep data like indexing pages, embedded hosted content, password-protected pages that cannot be viewed normally without access credentials, FTP content, unreadable (to normal users) pages built for use in, say, network-enabled SCADA systems, and a whole manner of other sites that aren't designed to be reachable not because they are hiding anything, but because they are utterly useless to the average end-user. It's absolutely vital to anyone who works in computer network security, though, as its in the "deep web" that many companies and organisations mislay things like username and password lists, the remote access points for FTP and VPN clients, virtualisation clients and all kinds of other thing that a determined hacker can use to break into their systems with relative ease, and it's the job of network security professionals to make secure and/or obfuscate.

I fear you (and many others, for that matter) might be confusing the "deep web" with "darknet", which are a very small part of the deep web- that is, hidden, private P2P networks disguised under complex proxies and onion routing, that are used for nefarious purposes such as criminal activity, distribution of illegal materials and dissident political communications in countries such as Iran. The primary difference being that the majority of the deep web can be accessed by an end user (though the amount of it that will make any sense is very much dependent on a whole myriad of factors)- albeit with some difficulty. Darknets in essence do not exist except to individuals given privileged access to them- someone who is looking for one may be able to find it, but still would not be able to access it or garner any information from it without using sophisticated surveillance techniques and tools.

[Viperman]

Never heard of it. Nor interested. But am I the only one that thinks DEEP WEB in capitals sounds real dirty?

[GTA_stu]

Nope never heard of it. Sounds like some code name Spiderman would use if he ever turned whistle-blower against a high level government scandal. Tor, VPN, web crawlers, onions. It all sounds so complicated and bizarre, although it is intriguing. Kinda mysterious.

[ZoomZoom]

Of course, cida. It exists in the internet.

[Gtaghost22]

Cida, Unfortunely yes it's that easy, All you need is a client for an anonymous onion network (TOR or I2P for example) and an address. If you spend some time on forums and wikis set up under these networks, you will learn how to look for things pretty quickly and easily.

I understand you are worried because your son has friends that can access deep web, but you said yourself that he can't access it so maybe you should tell him to stay away from it? i know he might do it without you knowing (out of cariousty), but you must try at least

[Woody510]

QUOTE (Gtaghost22 @ Thursday, Aug 2 2012, 14:41)

Cida, Unfortunely yes it's that easy, All you need is a client for an anonymous onion network (TOR or I2P for example) and an address. If you spend some time on forums and wikis set up under these networks, you will learn how to look for things pretty quickly and easily.

So are you guys paraphrasing something you read on the internet or is it a coincidence that you and K^2 said the same thing nearly word for word?

[Gtaghost22]

QUOTE (Woody510 @ Thursday, Aug 2 2012, 15:18)

QUOTE (Gtaghost22 @ Thursday, Aug 2 2012, 14:41) Cida, Unfortunely yes it's that easy, All you need is a client for an anonymous onion network (TOR or I2P for example) and an address. If you spend some time on forums and wikis set up under these networks, you will learn how to look for things pretty quickly and easily. So are you guys paraphrasing something you read on the internet or is it a coincidence that you and K^2 said the same thing nearly word for word?

Lol, i just noticed.

I haven't read his post before i posted, i just said what i have in mind. Sorry

[cidamelo]

sivispacem, yes I think I was confusing deep web with darkweb, actually I thought they were the same thing
Viperman, it is!
Gtaghost22 I've said to him!

[El Zilcho]

I'm not sure, but a little digging produced this. Link is safe up until there, can anyone confirm what's on the other side?

http://ahmia.fi/cache/dx37guvtyy7wil3n/

[Captain VXR]

I haven't ventured to the other side sounds like it could be some gory sh*t

[cidamelo]

El Zilcho what is this link about? I'm afraid to click it!

[El Zilcho]

QUOTE (cidamelo @ Thursday, Aug 2 2012, 21:11)

El Zilcho what is this link about? I'm afraid to click it!

You can click the link, it leads to a disclaimer and the possibility of something more... that, you may not want to see.

[Gtaghost22]

QUOTE (El Zilcho @ Thursday, Aug 2 2012, 20:14)

QUOTE (cidamelo @ Thursday, Aug 2 2012, 21:11) El Zilcho what is this link about? I'm afraid to click it! You can click the link, it leads to a disclaimer and the possibility of something more... that, you may not want to see.

It leads to some stupid Goatse image, i think you got trolled mate

This post has been edited by Gtaghost22 on Thursday, Aug 2 2012, 21:22