[StoneHead37]

QUOTE (austinkopeck @ Thursday, Aug 16 2012, 13:18)

How about all the bridges being open in The Lost and Damned when "Clean and Serene" occurs around the same time as "Shadow" and "Final Destination", although Algonquin is unlocked after "The Puerto Rican Connection" and Alderney is unlocked after "Three Leaf Clover" in GTA IV.

TLaD and TBoGT are only DLCs and not full games. They each are roughly 20 missions each, which pretty much forces Rockstar to leave the entire city open from the very beginning. GTA IV is a regular full game, with new islands opening up as you progress through the story.

[RED_]

I don't know if this is relevant anymore but I just chucked my GTA disc in and I've just gone past that point so you can hear it all over the radio. They clearly say that the fire marshalls suspected arson even if they put it down to an electrical fire.

[Mokrie Dela]

After "That special someone" and I Let Darko live I got a text during the deal/revenge choice from roman saying "Killing Darko didn't solve anything" despite not having killed him. possibly a one of bug but i found it curious.

@ elizebeta/EFLC - i look at it as an "alternate" storyline - almost as though each of the 3 storylines take place in alternate timelines. I know it's a cop out, and i'm just ignoring it, but i hadn't actually noticed the elzibeta thing before.


@Miamivicecity - bulgarin's a big fish. I suspect that Michelle/Karen's assignment on Niko was connected to him. I think bulgarin either staged his death or was believed to be dead, so he could use alternate identities to enter the country easier.

I hope V has better chronology structure. GTA IV, RDR - both games suffer from the problem that if you don't do missions in a very specific order, the conversations often make little or no sense. That should be addressed i think, with alternate conversations/cutscenes for missions.

[huevos_benedicto_180]

Yeah I think the bridges being open from the beginning in TLAD/BOGT are the closest things to "plot holes", although there's a very good reason for them being so.

[Darth_Starkiller]

The bridges are closed because the mayor fears terrorism. However, Alderney is open right after the bank is robbed, with large police casualities.

[The_Anti-tragedy]

I have a theory regarding the bridges being open in TLaD. This may contain spoilers but I'm pretty sure most of us have done the DLC's.
Clean and Serene
Final Destination
Angels in America
No Love Lost
Rigged to Blow
It's War
Search and Delete
The Master and the Molotov
Russian Revolution
Roman's Sorrow
Action/Reaction
Easy as Can Be
Escuela of the Streets
Street Sweeper
Luck of the Irish
*Algonquin is open as you need to get to
Bohan from Algonquin to start Buyer's Market*
Buyer's Market
Blow Your Cover
Out of the Closet...
Puerto Rican Connection
Call and Collect
The Snow Storm
Have a Heart
Liberty City Choppers
Deconstruction For Beginners
Final Interview...
Harboring a Grudge
Bad Cop Drop
Waste Not Want Knots
...Final Interview
Three Leaf Clover
*Alderney open so Johnny can go to Stubbs' missions in Algonquin*
Politics
Photo Shoot
Ruff Rider
Coming Down
Undress to Kill
The Holland Play
Off Route
A Long Way to Fall
This Sh*t's Cursed
Actions Speak Louder Than Words
Hit the Pipe
I Need Your Clothes, Your Boots, and Your Motorcycle
End of Chapter
Wrong is Right
Bad Standing
Heavy Toll
Portrait of a Killer
Marta Full of Grace
Dust Off
Shifting Weight
Paper Trail
Diamonds in the Rough
Taking in the Trash
Meltdown
Roman's Holiday
Smackdown
Babysitting
Museum Piece
Collector's Item
Tunnel of Death
Hostile Negotiation
Was it Worth It?
Weekend at Florian's
Get Lost
Late Checkout
That should seal it. But I can't explain how the Hickey Bridge would be open before Algonquin is unlocked in IV so that's all I can think of. I would've put Niko doing Elizabeta's last two missions while Johnny's doing Elizabeta's three because of her paranoia in the cutscenes but Packie's missions are unlocked by "Have a Heart" and Packie's mission unlocks Alderney.

[Tycek]

Then how in your opinion Johnny got to Algonquin in "It's War" if bridge to Algonquin is closed? Bridges are not closed in add-ons because both Klebitz and Lopez have US citizenship. Can you imagine closing all bridges in NYC because of terrorist threat? Let's say this road blocks are something like control points. Niko doesn't have any papers stating that he has right to be there, so he can't cross them. Johnny and Luis were born in US, so they can drive freely around the city. I know that you may say, that R* should leave them for Johhny and Luis, so you need to stop and show your ID to drive further, but I believe that people will be ranting that they can't drive thru this sh*t (like it happened with booths on East Borough Bridge).

[Mokrie Dela]

I liked the toll booths. Was a nice touch imo