[GTAboyWonder]

I've actually played San Andreas, and still think the story is dreadful. Most of the missions are pointless, and feel out of place. CJ came to LS to avenge his mom's death, right? Oh no! He came because the game is another cliched gang story.

Seriously though. What's the point of the story? "A useless gangbanger comes home because his mom died. And when he gets home, his 'homiez' fights their 'rivalz' and 'stuffz'. Then a bunch of useless crap comes up in this useless gangbanger's adventure to avenge his mom, or help the gang, or... actually, why does he do all that?"

You see, none of the things in San Andreas make rarely any sense!

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Suge Knight. Not only did he work with police authorities, they were on his payroll. Making Suge the boss.

Okay, Suge Knight, woopty do! He was a CEO for a Gangster rap studio. He was just another gangbanger from LA, still nothing big. But did he fly jets or steal military equipment? No! So that doesn't even add up to my comment.

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No, those movies were inspired by the real life events of the Rampart scandal.

Still cliches....

Okay then. I must be the hater. Then you must be the overprotective "gangsta" fanboy. And GTAForums is made for opinions and sentiments. I'm just putting mine out so people can see what I think of this game.

[DarrinPA]

QUOTE (GTAboyWonder @ Monday, Jul 23 2012, 23:08)

I've actually played San Andreas, and still think the story is dreadful. Most of the missions are pointless, and feel out of place. CJ came to LS to avenge his mom's death, right?

Wrong, he came to bury his mom. While on his way home he was set up for a murder he didn't commit and was then almost killed in a gang hit while at the cemetary. He didn't find out about the Grean Sabre until about a third of the was through the game.

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Seriously though. What's the point of the story? "A useless gangbanger comes home because his mom died. And when he gets home, his 'homiez' fights their 'rivalz' and 'stuffz'. Then a bunch of useless crap comes up in this useless gangbanger's adventure to avenge his mom, or help the gang, or... actually, why does he do all that?"

He is seeing all his friends and the entire city get swallowed up by the violence that's related to the Crack Epidemic. It's bringing a terrible end to everything and everyone he knows. The money that can be made with this drug caused a life long friend to kill his mom, the corrupt cops are killing there own, ect...

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You see, none of the things in San Andreas make rarely any sense!

No, those movies were inspired by the real life events of the Rampart scandal.

Still cliches....

The reason why I called you a hater is because not only do you hate something you don't understand, you make it seem like your proud that you don't understand a simple concept that ART imitated REAL LIFE which makes it look silly when you keep calling eveything "cliche". I appreaciate that you are actually asking about the storyline though, but try doing it a less accusatory manor.


Instead of going back ad forth on this about what happened in REAL LIFE, which makes it NOT a cliche, just actually read this.

[DarrinPA]

QUOTE (Miamivicecity @ Monday, Jul 23 2012, 22:01)

I've always felt the side missions in GTA IV suited Niko's goals. None of them felt out of place. My problem with SA and this goes with the others too is the side missions felt really random and useless other than making a quick buck. Quarry, trucking, pizzaboy, car salesman etc (Basically all the GTA III era sidemissions in general). To me the side missions are a much more tighter focus in GTA IV. That's what I meant anyway.

Now that is an acceptable, and logical explianation. My rebuttal is simple: I like to think of the side missions as a break from staying in character so side missions should be varied and entertaining at the cost of breaking free from the typical or "standard" missions. The RC mini game in Vice City was one of the most fun side missions, yet Tommy probably wouldn't play with a RC.

[Raptomex]

QUOTE (ViceCityMobster86 @ Friday, Jul 20 2012, 17:01)

In my opinion San Andreas is the most overrated game in the GTA series. It has always been my least favorite GTA. I have my reasons for disliking SA. 1. The setting is not my thing. I don't like the whole street gang/"gangsta" crap. It just does NOT interest me. That alone made me have doubts about San Andreas. 2. CJ is a crappy protagonist. He took way too much crap from people like Tenpenny, he was kicked around for almost the entire game. If that had been Tommy Vercetti in CJ's place during many of those cutscenes with C.R.A.S.H, Tenpenny would been shot in the face. I did like Tenpenny as a villan, he was one of the redeeming factors of San Andreas. 3. A LOT of annoying missions. So many of the missions in San Andreas where not enjoyable, they where just frustrating and annoying. I don't play GTA to play some crappy DDR clone minigame. Just a few of my gripes with San Andreas. Feel free to give your feedback.

The "gangsta" theme is not my style either but this is the best GTA in the series imo. Great gameplay, I love the California, Nevada-like setting, I love all the features.

[dragon_goran_mijo]

Coming to bury his mother isn't enough for me. Let's compare it to Nicky, NB, Niko Bellic.


Starts off you're here for Roman! He later revealed he's looking for someone, then revealed he's escaping from Ray Bulgarin. Bam.

[ZoomZoom]

QUOTE (dragon_goran_mijo @ Tuesday, Jul 24 2012, 08:07)

Coming to bury his mother isn't enough for me. Let's compare it to Nicky, NB, Niko Bellic. Starts off you're here for Roman! He later revealed he's looking for someone, then revealed he's escaping from Ray Bulgarin. Bam.

I think CJ cam not only to bury his mum, but to be rich and a successgful guy in San Andreas..

And he did it!!

[Flesh-n-Bone]

QUOTE (dragon_goran_mijo @ Monday, Jul 23 2012, 11:12)

GTA SA is for the casual gamer, imo. An hour of explosions and jet flying will fill them up quickly. Takes patience to play VC, waiting for things to pick up, like in all other GTA's... GTA SA was made for the general gamer. I just pretend it doesn't exist, tbh.

As someone who has finished all the PS2 games at least 100 times combined, I beg to differ.

You act like you start flying planes and blow up things from the get go when in reality you go through 3 'islands' (LS, countryside, SF) before you get to that. I actually think SA takes a lot longer for the action to start compared to VC. In VC, you're already doing those awesome Diaz missions after 8 or so other missions. In SA, you slowly advance through the game with each type of thing to do.

First you learn how to fist fight, then shooting someone with a basic gun, then chasing an enemy, then drive-bys into more all-out gang wars. And then a long set of missions until you reach the desert and learn how to fly. I absolutely love the way they put together the storyline which is why SA is my favorite GTA game to play through the storyline every single time I need my GTA fix.



And speaking of the storyline's focus. You put together the unrelated parts of IV's story that come together as you please but then you say it's "not enough" for San Andreas? Now that's bias.

In SA, Carl comes to bury his mom, but finds out that his family and gang are going through hard times and falling apart. So he decides to stay and help them, on top of being threatened by CRASH to take the blame for the death of Officer Pendelburry. As he's working on getting his gang to the top, things go the bad way when two of his closest friends betray the gang and he & his brother get caught in the middle of a gunfight by cops. Sweet gets arrested and Carl is released under the condition of doing everything CRASH tells him to. After that, he needs money badly, so he starts robbing banks and sh*t until he heads out to San Fierro to start some business together away from LS where things are dangerous.

When he's successful in Fierro, Toreno calls him and tells him that he will free his brother under the condition that he does everything he wants him to, which Carl has no choice but to accept. Then when he's done doing that, his brother is released and together, Sweet & Carl get Groove Street back on the map and take over the streets.

Makes perfect sense to me. Now I know some missions like The Truth's feel out of place, but they are just fun missions that I don't know who wouldn't enjoy. VC also had it's unrelated missions such as stealing a military tank which did nothing to advance the storyline and help Tommy's hopes of finding who ambushed the deal.

[GTAboyWonder]

QUOTE (ZoomZoom @ Tuesday, Jul 24 2012, 02:42)

QUOTE (dragon_goran_mijo @ Tuesday, Jul 24 2012, 08:07) Coming to bury his mother isn't enough for me. Let's compare it to Nicky, NB, Niko Bellic. Starts off you're here for Roman! He later revealed he's looking for someone, then revealed he's escaping from Ray Bulgarin. Bam. I think CJ cam not only to bury his mum, but to be rich and a successgful guy in San Andreas.. And he did it!!

No he didn't. Once again someone else is hypnotized by San Andreas' useless missions. CJ only came to bury his mom. In no way did he ever though about being rich.

[Flesh-n-Bone]

QUOTE (GTAboyWonder @ Wednesday, Jul 25 2012, 03:38)

No he didn't. Once again someone else is hypnotized by San Andreas' useless missions. CJ only came to bury his mom. In no way did he ever though about being rich.

No, it was not about being rich, but he clearly said at the end of the first mission: "Thought I might stay, sh*ts f*cked up around here."

So yes, once he was back, he clearly had a mission. He just happened to lead into a much better, more successful life than only being a worthless street gang leader with nothing to his claim. I already explained the whole story in my post above you, but instead you choose to be an ignorant doofus.

I don't expect you to read it with an open mind, so you'll probably reply with a childish response similar to your first one. "Lulz u r ThirTeen yrz old!".

[Miamivicecity]

If you ask me both VC and SA started off as spur of the moment. In VC Tommy was sent to VC for the coke deal that went south and spent the rest of the game trying to find out who done it. Had it went to plan VC's story wouldn't exist. Also in SA had CJ's mom not been killed he would've stayed in LC. He had no other reason to go back.

So when you think about it both Tommy and CJ were thrown into situations they weren't intending to be in. It sort of just happened.

GTA IV on the other hand is different. While he didn't reveal his true intentions until later on I believe Niko used Roman as an excuse to go to America to find Darko and Florian (Bernie). He certainly wasn't pressured into it like Tommy and CJ were.



This post has been edited by Miamivicecity on Thursday, Jul 26 2012, 03:29

[BabeRuth]

QUOTE (dragon_goran_mijo @ Monday, Jul 23 2012, 10:40)

QUOTE (ZoomZoom @ Monday, Jul 23 2012, 10:37) QUOTE (dragon_goran_mijo @ Monday, Jul 23 2012, 10:12) GTA SA is for the casual gamer, imo. An hour of explosions and jet flying will fill them up quickly. Takes patience to play VC, waiting for things to pick up, like in all other GTA's... GTA SA was made for the general gamer. I just pretend it doesn't exist, tbh. IMO.NO GTA San Andreas had far more things to do rather than a few booms and a flying session. And I don't think San Andreas was made for casual gamers It was made for gamers who will play-and-love. No. The reason you 'love' GTA SA so much is the fact it IS action packed and full of meaningless sh*t. GTA SA was pretty easy, plus the fact it had the multiplayer feature made it fit into the 'pick-up and play' genre. It's a game you and Joe Schmoe would play late at night.

Oh and IV doesn't have meaningless Sh^t??

Let me put it to you this way all of the GTA's have meaningless Sh(t the missions, gameplay, The protagonist. So please keep your mouth shut it's ot only SA.

[dragon_goran_mijo]

No, it doesn't, that's the thing...


YOu worked for Roman for a little bit cause he was your cousin.
Vlad because Rman was in massive debt.
LJ because you needed to pay the debt, plus Niko liked LJ.
Roman was kidnapped by Faustin & Dimitri and forced to help them out.
Manny because Mallorie realized Roman and Niko needed money because the cab business was burnt down.
Elizabeta for the same reason.
Francis had dirt on Niko.
Packie was Niko's friend and a better option then working for scum like U.L Paper & Francis
U.L Paper had dirt on Niko and a case file an inch thick.
You work for Derrick because your sympathtic, Niko was a softy to things like that.
Gerald because Gerald was higher then Packie, allowing Niko to befriend the family to move on with Katie.
Ray Boccino was a way to find Florian.
Phill was a way to find Darko.
Jimmy Pegorino was a way to make the big $, plus finding Darko would be easier with the head hancho.
Gambetti was a a sure fire number #1 reason to find Darko, as he had a guarantee.

[dragon_goran_mijo]

QUOTE (Flesh-n-Bone @ Wednesday, Jul 25 2012, 00:47)

QUOTE (dragon_goran_mijo @ Monday, Jul 23 2012, 11:12) GTA SA is for the casual gamer, imo. An hour of explosions and jet flying will fill them up quickly. Takes patience to play VC, waiting for things to pick up, like in all other GTA's... GTA SA was made for the general gamer. I just pretend it doesn't exist, tbh. As someone who has finished all the PS2 games at least 100 times combined, I beg to differ. You act like you start flying planes and blow up things from the get go when in reality you go through 3 'islands' (LS, countryside, SF) before you get to that. I actually think SA takes a lot longer for the action to start compared to VC. In VC, you're already doing those awesome Diaz missions after 8 or so other missions. In SA, you slowly advance through the game with each type of thing to do. First you learn how to fist fight, then shooting someone with a basic gun, then chasing an enemy, then drive-bys into more all-out gang wars. And then a long set of missions until you reach the desert and learn how to fly. I absolutely love the way they put together the storyline which is why SA is my favorite GTA game to play through the storyline every single time I need my GTA fix. And speaking of the storyline's focus. You put together the unrelated parts of IV's story that come together as you please but then you say it's "not enough" for San Andreas? Now that's bias. In SA, Carl comes to bury his mom, but finds out that his family and gang are going through hard times and falling apart. So he decides to stay and help them, on top of being threatened by CRASH to take the blame for the death of Officer Pendelburry. As he's working on getting his gang to the top, things go the bad way when two of his closest friends betray the gang and he & his brother get caught in the middle of a gunfight by cops. Sweet gets arrested and Carl is released under the condition of doing everything CRASH tells him to. After that, he needs money badly, so he starts robbing banks and sh*t until he heads out to San Fierro to start some business together away from LS where things are dangerous. When he's successful in Fierro, Toreno calls him and tells him that he will free his brother under the condition that he does everything he wants him to, which Carl has no choice but to accept. Then when he's done doing that, his brother is released and together, Sweet & Carl get Groove Street back on the map and take over the streets. Makes perfect sense to me. Now I know some missions like The Truth's feel out of place, but they are just fun missions that I don't know who wouldn't enjoy. VC also had it's unrelated missions such as stealing a military tank which did nothing to advance the storyline and help Tommy's hopes of finding who ambushed the deal.

Explain Truth's missions to me. I'm seriously not sure how Truth's mission made sense. Or even Zero's.. considering he couldn't even make cars for the garage.

[SL1DE]

The Harwood Butcher

[BabeRuth]

QUOTE (dragon_goran_mijo @ Thursday, Jul 26 2012, 07:49)

No, it doesn't, that's the thing... YOu worked for Roman for a little bit cause he was your cousin. Vlad because Rman was in massive debt. LJ because you needed to pay the debt, plus Niko liked LJ. Roman was kidnapped by Faustin & Dimitri and forced to help them out. Manny because Mallorie realized Roman and Niko needed money because the cab business was burnt down. Elizabeta for the same reason. Francis had dirt on Niko. Packie was Niko's friend and a better option then working for scum like U.L Paper & Francis U.L Paper had dirt on Niko and a case file an inch thick. You work for Derrick because your sympathtic, Niko was a softy to things like that. Gerald because Gerald was higher then Packie, allowing Niko to befriend the family to move on with Katie. Ray Boccino was a way to find Florian. Phill was a way to find Darko. Jimmy Pegorino was a way to make the big $, plus finding Darko would be easier with the head hancho. Gambetti was a a sure fire number #1 reason to find Darko, as he had a guarantee.

How is IV better than SA?? besides the graphics, please tell me.

CJ worked for Sweet, Ryder, and BS is that not good enough for you?

[Flesh-n-Bone]

QUOTE (dragon_goran_mijo @ Thursday, Jul 26 2012, 08:53)

Explain Truth's missions to me. I'm seriously not sure how Truth's mission made sense. Or even Zero's.. considering he couldn't even make cars for the garage.

Carl is interested in The Truth's rants about the government and all of that, so he always listens to what he's gotta say despite not understanding. As for the missions.

Body Harvest - Truth asks you to steal a harvester from some fascist assholes nearby because he needs it and once you've done it, you can pay him for the weed that Tenpenny wants you to buy.

Are You Going to San Fierro? - You pay Truth for the weed, but then a helicopter suddenly turns up and is about to bust them for all the marijuana in that farm. So, they have no choice but to burn everything down and escape that place.

Wear Flowers in Your Hair - If you count it as Truth's mission, he's someone who knows Fierro well, so he takes you around town to make some friends that can help you out with the garage.

Black Project - The Truth got some more mysterious sh*t to explain and he takes you to Area 69 without further explanation and leaves you there. You have no choice but to blast through the highly guarded place and find that 'black project' then escape with it. Unrealistic but FUN!

Green Goo - Again, Truth has something unknown that he wants to get a hold of. You use the jetpack to get it off that military train.

Zero's missions have absolutely no tie to the storyline and for that reason, are side missions that you don't have to complete in order to advance. But the reason Carl even buys the property in the first place is because he wants to invest in the 'business' side of San Fierro. Zero's landlord is selling the shop, so Carl buys it to take the ownership and get money from it. The missions themselves are just favors for Zero.

If you really wanna make a big deal out of missions that don't get the protagonist closer to his goal, then look no further than "No Love Lost" in IV. It has absolutely nothing to do with Niko "finding that man" and is just him being Faustin's henchman.

[Miamivicecity]

QUOTE (BabeRuth @ Friday, Jul 27 2012, 04:40)

How is IV better than SA?? besides the graphics, please tell me.

I can't speak for dragon_goran_mijo, but some of my reasons why GTA IV is better (Well more enjoyable for me atleast).

-The side missions are consistent with a life of crime. Why would a hardened criminal become a courier on a BMX or work at a Quarry?

-The city of LC is far more interesting and "alive" than LS, SF and LV combined. Seriously walk the streets in any of these cities and they all feel dull and dead. The abundance of clone peds doesn't help much either.

-The characters are more interesting and less 1 dimensional. The only characters I really rate from SA are Ceasar, The Truth and Woozie. Most of the other interesting ones like Salvatore, Ken etc were already made famous from their appearances in GTA III and VC.

-I don't really care if anyone agrees with me or not, but I rather go bowling, play pool, watch the tv etc than the majority of the minigames in SA.

-The story is more consistent and flows a lot better. The LS part of SA was quite good until the countryside. I found the SF part quite dull and the desert part a bit stupid. LV was pretty good though with the mafia angle, but the whole story felt disjointed and didn't know what it wanted to be half of the time.

It's not necessarily bad, but GTA IV's is a lot more interesting to me.

Anyway what I love about SA fanboys is they only assume people like GTA IV for the graphics.

[universetwisters]

I'm probably coming out of nowhere, but perhaps Rockstar targeted San Andreas for newcommers to the GTA series? If I never heard of the GTA series, I would defiantly be more interested in jetplanes and explosions rather than long dialogue and building an empire.

[Miamivicecity]

QUOTE (universetwisters @ Friday, Jul 27 2012, 11:47)

I'm probably coming out of nowhere, but perhaps Rockstar targeted San Andreas for newcommers to the GTA series? If I never heard of the GTA series, I would defiantly be more interested in jetplanes and explosions rather than long dialogue and building an empire.

Probably. I remember at the time thinking how different it was to GTA III and VC. It seemed to break the trend of simplicty.

That's why I like GTA IV. It went back to roots that GTA was without the need for a bazillion features.

[BabeRuth]

QUOTE (Miamivicecity @ Thursday, Jul 26 2012, 23:24)

QUOTE (BabeRuth @ Friday, Jul 27 2012, 04:40) How is IV better than SA?? besides the graphics, please tell me. I can't speak for dragon_goran_mijo, but some of my reasons why GTA IV is better (Well more enjoyable for me atleast). -The side missions are consistent with a life of crime. Why would a hardened criminal become a courier on a BMX or work at a Quarry? -The city of LC is far more interesting and "alive" than LS, SF and LV combined. Seriously walk the streets in any of these cities and they all feel dull and dead. The abundance of clone peds doesn't help much either. -The characters are more interesting and less 1 dimensional. The only characters I really rate from SA are Ceasar, The Truth and Woozie. Most of the other interesting ones like Salvatore, Ken etc were already made famous from their appearances in GTA III and VC. -I don't really care if anyone agrees with me or not, but I rather go bowling, play pool, watch the tv etc than the majority of the minigames in SA. -The story is more consistent and flows a lot better. The LS part of SA was quite good until the countryside. I found the SF part quite dull and the desert part a bit stupid. LV was pretty good though with the mafia angle, but the whole story felt disjointed and didn't know what it wanted to be half of the time. It's not necessarily bad, but GTA IV's is a lot more interesting to me. Anyway what I love about SA fanboys is they only assume people like GTA IV for the graphics.

In SA you could do more than just minigames/video games; infact you can play pool in SA, you can also play basketball too.

You don't have to do the Querry Missions or the BMX Training.

I never liked LC(3/III) Claude was a mute he never spoke, he was extremely boring, Plus i never understood his past. Big whoop killing Catalina (Even though the b#!ch deserved it) I just hate III, i never will play it again.