[goin-god]

QUOTE (JesseHope40 @ Thursday, Jun 21 2012, 15:11)

QUOTE (Ryan @ Wednesday, Jun 20 2012, 03:09) We've got similar laws regarding smoking here in Nova Scotia. With the exception of your house, you're not allowed to smoke in any building. You can smoke in bars, but there are designated smoking areas/rooms. Outside, no smoking is allowed within 4 meters of any building. While you can smoke in your own vehicle, it becomes illegal if persons under the age of 19 are present. Additionally, several towns, including my hometown have passed by-laws in recent years that make smoking illegal absolutely everywhere (including your own vehicle) with the exception of your own home. I'm in favour of the laws personally. I don't smoke. If I'm out and about, I don't want to be stuck near some annoying guy who's puffing smoke my way. If people want to smoke, make them do it in a place where it's no disturbing everyone else. I smoke, and I agree that is annoying (even for a smoker) when smoke keeps drifting past ur face. That said, I am far more annoyed in my car and on the street by the other cars exhaust that is constantly blowing around. I find that to be far more annoying, and I've heard, much worse for you. And as far as the bar goes, gimme a break. we are all adults here, I would like to have a smoke with my whiskey and beer.

That dosn't mean the person next to you wants the smoke in his face.

[Criminal]

QUOTE (goin-god @ Thursday, Jun 21 2012, 14:15)

QUOTE (JesseHope40 @ Thursday, Jun 21 2012, 15:11) QUOTE (Ryan @ Wednesday, Jun 20 2012, 03:09) We've got similar laws regarding smoking here in Nova Scotia. With the exception of your house, you're not allowed to smoke in any building. You can smoke in bars, but there are designated smoking areas/rooms. Outside, no smoking is allowed within 4 meters of any building. While you can smoke in your own vehicle, it becomes illegal if persons under the age of 19 are present. Additionally, several towns, including my hometown have passed by-laws in recent years that make smoking illegal absolutely everywhere (including your own vehicle) with the exception of your own home. I'm in favour of the laws personally. I don't smoke. If I'm out and about, I don't want to be stuck near some annoying guy who's puffing smoke my way. If people want to smoke, make them do it in a place where it's no disturbing everyone else. I smoke, and I agree that is annoying (even for a smoker) when smoke keeps drifting past ur face. That said, I am far more annoyed in my car and on the street by the other cars exhaust that is constantly blowing around. I find that to be far more annoying, and I've heard, much worse for you. And as far as the bar goes, gimme a break. we are all adults here, I would like to have a smoke with my whiskey and beer. That dosn't mean the person next to you wants the smoke in his face.

Or the cancer that goes with it.

[GTA 360]

I live in England and it's illegal to smoke in any enclosed public place or work place, although I don't smoke and have no plans to ever smoke I totally disagree with these laws, the government are allowing shops to sell the products so why don't they let them use them anywhere? Also bars used to be full of people that smoked and that kept them there for longer and sold more drinks, but now they have to go outside which means the bars aren't selling as many drinks because either they are waiting out side or if the weather is bad they just aren't going at all, it also means that all the waste is being spread all over the paths and road instead of in ash trays. This means that pubs are losing out and often shutting down leaving people unemployed, it's not just bad for the people that smoke, but for the local area and the government as well, it's just a stupid rule, and for what? If they said you needed a separate smoking area it would be better.

[JesseHope40]

QUOTE (Criminal @ Thursday, Jun 21 2012, 19:04)

QUOTE (goin-god @ Thursday, Jun 21 2012, 14:15) QUOTE (JesseHope40 @ Thursday, Jun 21 2012, 15:11) QUOTE (Ryan @ Wednesday, Jun 20 2012, 03:09) We've got similar laws regarding smoking here in Nova Scotia. With the exception of your house, you're not allowed to smoke in any building. You can smoke in bars, but there are designated smoking areas/rooms. Outside, no smoking is allowed within 4 meters of any building. While you can smoke in your own vehicle, it becomes illegal if persons under the age of 19 are present. Additionally, several towns, including my hometown have passed by-laws in recent years that make smoking illegal absolutely everywhere (including your own vehicle) with the exception of your own home. I'm in favour of the laws personally. I don't smoke. If I'm out and about, I don't want to be stuck near some annoying guy who's puffing smoke my way. If people want to smoke, make them do it in a place where it's no disturbing everyone else. I smoke, and I agree that is annoying (even for a smoker) when smoke keeps drifting past ur face. That said, I am far more annoyed in my car and on the street by the other cars exhaust that is constantly blowing around. I find that to be far more annoying, and I've heard, much worse for you. And as far as the bar goes, gimme a break. we are all adults here, I would like to have a smoke with my whiskey and beer. That dosn't mean the person next to you wants the smoke in his face. Or the cancer that goes with it.

What do u guys think all the car exhaust is doing for your lungs? Curing cancer? And let's see, there's probably oh I dunno, somewhere between 1 and 10 billions times more of it. Not too mention all the co2 produced by factories and what not. But ya, that cig smoke is gonna get us all...

[Criminal]

QUOTE (JesseHope40 @ Thursday, Jun 21 2012, 16:25)

QUOTE (Criminal @ Thursday, Jun 21 2012, 19:04) QUOTE (goin-god @ Thursday, Jun 21 2012, 14:15) QUOTE (JesseHope40 @ Thursday, Jun 21 2012, 15:11) QUOTE (Ryan @ Wednesday, Jun 20 2012, 03:09) We've got similar laws regarding smoking here in Nova Scotia. With the exception of your house, you're not allowed to smoke in any building. You can smoke in bars, but there are designated smoking areas/rooms. Outside, no smoking is allowed within 4 meters of any building. While you can smoke in your own vehicle, it becomes illegal if persons under the age of 19 are present. Additionally, several towns, including my hometown have passed by-laws in recent years that make smoking illegal absolutely everywhere (including your own vehicle) with the exception of your own home. I'm in favour of the laws personally. I don't smoke. If I'm out and about, I don't want to be stuck near some annoying guy who's puffing smoke my way. If people want to smoke, make them do it in a place where it's no disturbing everyone else. I smoke, and I agree that is annoying (even for a smoker) when smoke keeps drifting past ur face. That said, I am far more annoyed in my car and on the street by the other cars exhaust that is constantly blowing around. I find that to be far more annoying, and I've heard, much worse for you. And as far as the bar goes, gimme a break. we are all adults here, I would like to have a smoke with my whiskey and beer. That dosn't mean the person next to you wants the smoke in his face. Or the cancer that goes with it. What do u guys think all the car exhaust is doing for your lungs? Curing cancer? And let's see, there's probably oh I dunno, somewhere between 1 and 10 billions times more of it. Not too mention all the co2 produced by factories and what not. But ya, that cig smoke is gonna get us all...

Extreme uses of hyperbole do not do your argument any favors. I think you know damn well that for most of us, having an automobile is a necessity, unless we want to regress back to a hunter gatherer lifestyle.

It should be obvious, but apparently I'm going to have to explain it to you. Positives and negatives have to be weighed against each other in any situation. Automobiles have their drawbacks, but society could not function without them, no question. Banning smoking in public places is a much more feasible solution, and it's a benefit to the majority of people.

Any more ridiculous examples you want to throw at us to justify your selfish habit?

QUOTE (JesseHope40 @ Thursday, Jun 21 2012, 14:11)

QUOTE (Ryan @ Wednesday, Jun 20 2012, 03:09) We've got similar laws regarding smoking here in Nova Scotia. With the exception of your house, you're not allowed to smoke in any building. You can smoke in bars, but there are designated smoking areas/rooms. Outside, no smoking is allowed within 4 meters of any building. While you can smoke in your own vehicle, it becomes illegal if persons under the age of 19 are present. Additionally, several towns, including my hometown have passed by-laws in recent years that make smoking illegal absolutely everywhere (including your own vehicle) with the exception of your own home. I'm in favour of the laws personally. I don't smoke. If I'm out and about, I don't want to be stuck near some annoying guy who's puffing smoke my way. If people want to smoke, make them do it in a place where it's no disturbing everyone else. I smoke, and I agree that is annoying (even for a smoker) when smoke keeps drifting past ur face. That said, I am far more annoyed in my car and on the street by the other cars exhaust that is constantly blowing around. I find that to be far more annoying, and I've heard, much worse for you. And as far as the bar goes, gimme a break. we are all adults here, I would like to have a smoke with my whiskey and beer.

So let me get this straight, you're annoyed by the pollution of other cars, while driving around in your own car? Someone get this man a bike before his arguments collapse under the weight of the hypocrisy.

This post has been edited by Criminal on Thursday, Jun 21 2012, 20:52

[JesseHope40]

QUOTE (Criminal @ Thursday, Jun 21 2012, 20:44)

QUOTE (JesseHope40 @ Thursday, Jun 21 2012, 16:25) QUOTE (Criminal @ Thursday, Jun 21 2012, 19:04) QUOTE (goin-god @ Thursday, Jun 21 2012, 14:15) QUOTE (JesseHope40 @ Thursday, Jun 21 2012, 15:11) QUOTE (Ryan @ Wednesday, Jun 20 2012, 03:09) We've got similar laws regarding smoking here in Nova Scotia. With the exception of your house, you're not allowed to smoke in any building. You can smoke in bars, but there are designated smoking areas/rooms. Outside, no smoking is allowed within 4 meters of any building. While you can smoke in your own vehicle, it becomes illegal if persons under the age of 19 are present. Additionally, several towns, including my hometown have passed by-laws in recent years that make smoking illegal absolutely everywhere (including your own vehicle) with the exception of your own home. I'm in favour of the laws personally. I don't smoke. If I'm out and about, I don't want to be stuck near some annoying guy who's puffing smoke my way. If people want to smoke, make them do it in a place where it's no disturbing everyone else. I smoke, and I agree that is annoying (even for a smoker) when smoke keeps drifting past ur face. That said, I am far more annoyed in my car and on the street by the other cars exhaust that is constantly blowing around. I find that to be far more annoying, and I've heard, much worse for you. And as far as the bar goes, gimme a break. we are all adults here, I would like to have a smoke with my whiskey and beer. That dosn't mean the person next to you wants the smoke in his face. Or the cancer that goes with it. What do u guys think all the car exhaust is doing for your lungs? Curing cancer? And let's see, there's probably oh I dunno, somewhere between 1 and 10 billions times more of it. Not too mention all the co2 produced by factories and what not. But ya, that cig smoke is gonna get us all... Extreme uses of hyperbole do not do your argument any favors. I think you know damn well that for most of us, having an automobile is a necessity, unless we want to regress back to a hunter gatherer lifestyle. It should be obvious, but apparently I'm going to have to explain it to you. Positives and negatives have to be weighed against each other in any situation. Automobiles have their drawbacks, but society could not function without them, no question. Banning smoking in public places is a much more feasible solution, and it's a benefit to the majority of people. Any more ridiculous examples you want to throw at us to justify your selfish habit? QUOTE (JesseHope40 @ Thursday, Jun 21 2012, 14:11) QUOTE (Ryan @ Wednesday, Jun 20 2012, 03:09) We've got similar laws regarding smoking here in Nova Scotia. With the exception of your house, you're not allowed to smoke in any building. You can smoke in bars, but there are designated smoking areas/rooms. Outside, no smoking is allowed within 4 meters of any building. While you can smoke in your own vehicle, it becomes illegal if persons under the age of 19 are present. Additionally, several towns, including my hometown have passed by-laws in recent years that make smoking illegal absolutely everywhere (including your own vehicle) with the exception of your own home. I'm in favour of the laws personally. I don't smoke. If I'm out and about, I don't want to be stuck near some annoying guy who's puffing smoke my way. If people want to smoke, make them do it in a place where it's no disturbing everyone else. I smoke, and I agree that is annoying (even for a smoker) when smoke keeps drifting past ur face. That said, I am far more annoyed in my car and on the street by the other cars exhaust that is constantly blowing around. I find that to be far more annoying, and I've heard, much worse for you. And as far as the bar goes, gimme a break. we are all adults here, I would like to have a smoke with my whiskey and beer. So let me get this straight, you're annoyed by the pollution of other cars, while driving around in your own car? Someone get this man a bike before his arguments collapse under the weight of the hypocrisy.

I was only stating that all that pollution is always there and around u. Look at California, the "smog" there is INSANE. try walking down the street there and tell me if u can even smell a guy smoking a cig nxt to u. California was first, everywhere else is next. I'm not saying in anyway that cigs are not bad for u and others, just seems like, atleast in some parts, cigs are the least of our problems.

Edit: Also, I'm not Tryn to be a hypocrite here, but for example, when u r sitting in ur car at the light and the car next to u has blue exhaust pouring out of it and right into your window. See that semi-truck with the pure black smoke erupting out of it? All that sh*t is goin into ur lungs too. If we are gonna hate cigs y not hate that too. I agree that cigs are an easier thing to control. But where does that stop? NY is banning large soda cups in restaraunts, so because of all the fat assessing out there we have to change that law. It seems to me that the things that are doing the most damage are being ignored due to necessaties. I agree we cant get rid of cars, I mean we could, but no on WANTS too. We cant get rid of the co2 producing factories, we cant get rid of sugar and fat, we can't get rid of alchohal (causing who knows how many gruesome roadway deaths), we can't get rid of all the drugs that ruin peoples lives, we can't get rid of guns, we can't get rid of poverty, but we can sure as Hell make sure that someone doesn't accidentally smell some smoke.

This post has been edited by JesseHope40 on Friday, Jun 22 2012, 17:49

[Criminal]

QUOTE (JesseHope40 @ Friday, Jun 22 2012, 12:59)

QUOTE (Criminal @ Thursday, Jun 21 2012, 20:44) QUOTE (JesseHope40 @ Thursday, Jun 21 2012, 16:25) QUOTE (Criminal @ Thursday, Jun 21 2012, 19:04) QUOTE (goin-god @ Thursday, Jun 21 2012, 14:15) QUOTE (JesseHope40 @ Thursday, Jun 21 2012, 15:11) QUOTE (Ryan @ Wednesday, Jun 20 2012, 03:09) We've got similar laws regarding smoking here in Nova Scotia. With the exception of your house, you're not allowed to smoke in any building. You can smoke in bars, but there are designated smoking areas/rooms. Outside, no smoking is allowed within 4 meters of any building. While you can smoke in your own vehicle, it becomes illegal if persons under the age of 19 are present. Additionally, several towns, including my hometown have passed by-laws in recent years that make smoking illegal absolutely everywhere (including your own vehicle) with the exception of your own home. I'm in favour of the laws personally. I don't smoke. If I'm out and about, I don't want to be stuck near some annoying guy who's puffing smoke my way. If people want to smoke, make them do it in a place where it's no disturbing everyone else. I smoke, and I agree that is annoying (even for a smoker) when smoke keeps drifting past ur face. That said, I am far more annoyed in my car and on the street by the other cars exhaust that is constantly blowing around. I find that to be far more annoying, and I've heard, much worse for you. And as far as the bar goes, gimme a break. we are all adults here, I would like to have a smoke with my whiskey and beer. That dosn't mean the person next to you wants the smoke in his face. Or the cancer that goes with it. What do u guys think all the car exhaust is doing for your lungs? Curing cancer? And let's see, there's probably oh I dunno, somewhere between 1 and 10 billions times more of it. Not too mention all the co2 produced by factories and what not. But ya, that cig smoke is gonna get us all... Extreme uses of hyperbole do not do your argument any favors. I think you know damn well that for most of us, having an automobile is a necessity, unless we want to regress back to a hunter gatherer lifestyle. It should be obvious, but apparently I'm going to have to explain it to you. Positives and negatives have to be weighed against each other in any situation. Automobiles have their drawbacks, but society could not function without them, no question. Banning smoking in public places is a much more feasible solution, and it's a benefit to the majority of people. Any more ridiculous examples you want to throw at us to justify your selfish habit? QUOTE (JesseHope40 @ Thursday, Jun 21 2012, 14:11) QUOTE (Ryan @ Wednesday, Jun 20 2012, 03:09) We've got similar laws regarding smoking here in Nova Scotia. With the exception of your house, you're not allowed to smoke in any building. You can smoke in bars, but there are designated smoking areas/rooms. Outside, no smoking is allowed within 4 meters of any building. While you can smoke in your own vehicle, it becomes illegal if persons under the age of 19 are present. Additionally, several towns, including my hometown have passed by-laws in recent years that make smoking illegal absolutely everywhere (including your own vehicle) with the exception of your own home. I'm in favour of the laws personally. I don't smoke. If I'm out and about, I don't want to be stuck near some annoying guy who's puffing smoke my way. If people want to smoke, make them do it in a place where it's no disturbing everyone else. I smoke, and I agree that is annoying (even for a smoker) when smoke keeps drifting past ur face. That said, I am far more annoyed in my car and on the street by the other cars exhaust that is constantly blowing around. I find that to be far more annoying, and I've heard, much worse for you. And as far as the bar goes, gimme a break. we are all adults here, I would like to have a smoke with my whiskey and beer. So let me get this straight, you're annoyed by the pollution of other cars, while driving around in your own car? Someone get this man a bike before his arguments collapse under the weight of the hypocrisy. I was only stating that all that pollution is always there and around u. Look at California, the "smog" there is INSANE. try walking down the street there and tell me if u can even smell a guy smoking a cig nxt to u. California was first, everywhere else is next. I'm not saying in anyway that cigs are not bad for u and others, just seems like, atleast in some parts, cigs are the least of our problems.

Baby steps. It's alot easier to regulate cigarette smoking than car pollution, and there's no reason to not ban public smoking just because we have more severe problems. People have already been taking steps to try to address the car pollution problem (see electric vehicles) but it's not something that can happen overnight like a smoking ban.

QUOTE

Edit: Also, I'm not Tryn to be a hypocrite here, but for example, when u r sitting in ur car at the light and the car next to u has blue exhaust pouring out of it and right into your window. See that semi-truck with the pure black smoke erupting out of it?  All that sh*t is goin into ur lungs too. If we are gonna hate cigs y not hate that too. I agree that cigs are an easier thing to control. But where does that stop? NY is banning large soda cups in restaraunts, so because of all the fat assessing out there we have to change that law. It seems to me that the things that are doing the most damage are being ignored due to necessaties. I agree we cant get rid of cars, I mean we could, but no on WANTS too. We cant get rid of the co2 producing factories, we cant get rid of sugar and fat, we can't get rid of alchohal (causing who knows how many gruesome roadway deaths), we can't get rid of all the drugs that ruin peoples lives, we can't get rid of guns, we can't get rid of poverty, but we can sure as Hell make sure that someone doesn't accidentally smell some smoke.

All of those examples you gave are people making choices to partake in those unhealthy activites. With public smoking, your exposing someone to smoke without their consent, so it's not the same as someone who decides to eat a Big Mac. For the record, I'm completely against those soda bans in NYC. People need to exercise some self restraint, and if they don't then well I think Darwin can explain that one for me.

To sum up, you can do whatever you want with your body, but it's not fair to negatively effect the health of other people with your actions.

And like I said, drinking and driving is illegal.

This post has been edited by Criminal on Friday, Jun 22 2012, 19:28

[JesseHope40]

QUOTE (Criminal @ Friday, Jun 22 2012, 19:25)

QUOTE (JesseHope40 @ Friday, Jun 22 2012, 12:59) QUOTE (Criminal @ Thursday, Jun 21 2012, 20:44) QUOTE (JesseHope40 @ Thursday, Jun 21 2012, 16:25) QUOTE (Criminal @ Thursday, Jun 21 2012, 19:04) QUOTE (goin-god @ Thursday, Jun 21 2012, 14:15) QUOTE (JesseHope40 @ Thursday, Jun 21 2012, 15:11) QUOTE (Ryan @ Wednesday, Jun 20 2012, 03:09) We've got similar laws regarding smoking here in Nova Scotia. With the exception of your house, you're not allowed to smoke in any building. You can smoke in bars, but there are designated smoking areas/rooms. Outside, no smoking is allowed within 4 meters of any building. While you can smoke in your own vehicle, it becomes illegal if persons under the age of 19 are present. Additionally, several towns, including my hometown have passed by-laws in recent years that make smoking illegal absolutely everywhere (including your own vehicle) with the exception of your own home. I'm in favour of the laws personally. I don't smoke. If I'm out and about, I don't want to be stuck near some annoying guy who's puffing smoke my way. If people want to smoke, make them do it in a place where it's no disturbing everyone else. I smoke, and I agree that is annoying (even for a smoker) when smoke keeps drifting past ur face. That said, I am far more annoyed in my car and on the street by the other cars exhaust that is constantly blowing around. I find that to be far more annoying, and I've heard, much worse for you. And as far as the bar goes, gimme a break. we are all adults here, I would like to have a smoke with my whiskey and beer. That dosn't mean the person next to you wants the smoke in his face. Or the cancer that goes with it. What do u guys think all the car exhaust is doing for your lungs? Curing cancer? And let's see, there's probably oh I dunno, somewhere between 1 and 10 billions times more of it. Not too mention all the co2 produced by factories and what not. But ya, that cig smoke is gonna get us all... Extreme uses of hyperbole do not do your argument any favors. I think you know damn well that for most of us, having an automobile is a necessity, unless we want to regress back to a hunter gatherer lifestyle. It should be obvious, but apparently I'm going to have to explain it to you. Positives and negatives have to be weighed against each other in any situation. Automobiles have their drawbacks, but society could not function without them, no question. Banning smoking in public places is a much more feasible solution, and it's a benefit to the majority of people. Any more ridiculous examples you want to throw at us to justify your selfish habit? QUOTE (JesseHope40 @ Thursday, Jun 21 2012, 14:11) QUOTE (Ryan @ Wednesday, Jun 20 2012, 03:09) We've got similar laws regarding smoking here in Nova Scotia. With the exception of your house, you're not allowed to smoke in any building. You can smoke in bars, but there are designated smoking areas/rooms. Outside, no smoking is allowed within 4 meters of any building. While you can smoke in your own vehicle, it becomes illegal if persons under the age of 19 are present. Additionally, several towns, including my hometown have passed by-laws in recent years that make smoking illegal absolutely everywhere (including your own vehicle) with the exception of your own home. I'm in favour of the laws personally. I don't smoke. If I'm out and about, I don't want to be stuck near some annoying guy who's puffing smoke my way. If people want to smoke, make them do it in a place where it's no disturbing everyone else. I smoke, and I agree that is annoying (even for a smoker) when smoke keeps drifting past ur face. That said, I am far more annoyed in my car and on the street by the other cars exhaust that is constantly blowing around. I find that to be far more annoying, and I've heard, much worse for you. And as far as the bar goes, gimme a break. we are all adults here, I would like to have a smoke with my whiskey and beer. So let me get this straight, you're annoyed by the pollution of other cars, while driving around in your own car? Someone get this man a bike before his arguments collapse under the weight of the hypocrisy. I was only stating that all that pollution is always there and around u. Look at California, the "smog" there is INSANE. try walking down the street there and tell me if u can even smell a guy smoking a cig nxt to u. California was first, everywhere else is next. I'm not saying in anyway that cigs are not bad for u and others, just seems like, atleast in some parts, cigs are the least of our problems. Baby steps. It's alot easier to regulate cigarette smoking than car pollution, and there's no reason to not ban public smoking just because we have more severe problems. People have already been taking steps to try to address the car pollution problem (see electric vehicles) but it's not something that can happen overnight like a smoking ban. QUOTE Edit: Also, I'm not Tryn to be a hypocrite here, but for example, when u r sitting in ur car at the light and the car next to u has blue exhaust pouring out of it and right into your window. See that semi-truck with the pure black smoke erupting out of it?  All that sh*t is goin into ur lungs too. If we are gonna hate cigs y not hate that too. I agree that cigs are an easier thing to control. But where does that stop? NY is banning large soda cups in restaraunts, so because of all the fat assessing out there we have to change that law. It seems to me that the things that are doing the most damage are being ignored due to necessaties. I agree we cant get rid of cars, I mean we could, but no on WANTS too. We cant get rid of the co2 producing factories, we cant get rid of sugar and fat, we can't get rid of alchohal (causing who knows how many gruesome roadway deaths), we can't get rid of all the drugs that ruin peoples lives, we can't get rid of guns, we can't get rid of poverty, but we can sure as Hell make sure that someone doesn't accidentally smell some smoke. All of those examples you gave are people making choices to partake in those unhealthy activites. With public smoking, your exposing someone to smoke without their consent, so it's not the same as someone who decides to eat a Big Mac. For the record, I'm completely against those soda bans in NYC. People need to exercise some self restraint, and if they don't then well I think Darwin can explain that one for me. To sum up, you can do whatever you want with your body, but it's not fair to negatively effect the health of other people with your actions. And like I said, drinking and driving is illegal.

I don't disagree with anything u r saying. I'm mostly just annoyed that everyone picks on smokers when they themselves are eating and or drinking themselves to death. Not evryone, but enough of them. I can understand people not wanting to be around it, then don't goto the bar, or goto the smoke free bar. Why take away all my smoking freedom? No one complains about the 2-5$$ (depending where u live) tax the state gets off a pack of smokes.

This statement is not directed at u or anyone else here as I don't know any of u personally. But when I see the 500 lb gorilla (who can't even walk from his/her car to the door of mcdonalds without losing breath), I can't help but think that my cig smoke is not the reason he is out of breath.

Again, I'm not looking for a fight here, just voicing my opinion. Personally I go out of my way to avoid others when I smoke outside/in public, but I know plenty of people don't. I can understand everyone's concern here. I guess my point is that its getting out of control. I can't smoke in a restaraunt, no problem. No smoking on school grounds, no problem. No smoking inside any building but bars, no problem. No smoking anywhere outside while in public, problem, annoying atleast.

And to all the smoker hating pot heads, u do realize that there is like 20 times the tar in a joint than there is in a cig right?

I guess its rather pointless to even whine about it but it annoys me. 30 years ago everyone everywhere smoked. Today with everywhere having banned it, obescity is out of control, birth defects are up, autism is absolutely sky rocketing, and people are more depressed than ever before. All these new problems are growing exponentially. I'm not saying that there is any connection to those and smoking at all. I just find it funny that 30 years ago we didn't have all these problems AND evryone smoked. Now, no one smokes and we got all this other sh*t going on. Just seems like we are always addressing the smallest possible problem with the easiest possible solution. How many people realistically die from 2nd hand smoke? How about diabetes and heart attacks? All these fat people worried about their lungs when they can't even hardly support their own weight.

I understand that those are all choices and u won't get fat sitting next to a fat person. But u also don't have to stand next to the person smoking. Or goto a bar where they allow smoking. All of these things are choices, it just seems that we as a society pick on the choices that we don't like. Skinny people pick on fat people pick on smokers pick on alchohalics pick on drug users pick on homeless pick on rich people who don't help them. It's always something, and whatever u r doing is ok, but its wat the guy over there is doing that is wrong. The f*cking retard President of the USA smokes, yet the secret service isn't jumping out in front of that cig smoke to save him.

It just seems a little unfair to pick ONE bad thing for people and leave the rest alone. Although, its only a matter of time before there's a fat tax, just wait. Health care is costing so much these days that the chunks out there are goin to have to start paying a premium. Just like the smokers do...

[Morpheus72]

The best thing is Labour Government ever did was ban smoking in public buildings. As a non-smoker I'm no longer punished for the disgusting, idiotic habits of other people.

For the freedom-lovers who see smoking bans as an assault on civil liberties, did you know that one breath of another persons cigarette smoke is enough to trigger the reaction that causes lung cancer?

[trip]

QUOTE (Morpheus72 @ Friday, Jun 22 2012, 17:10)

For the freedom-lovers who see smoking bans as an assault on civil liberties, did you know that one breath of another persons cigarette smoke is enough to trigger the reaction that causes lung cancer?

Do you have anything professional to back that up, or is it just something told to you in health class to prevent you from starting smoking?

I'm not being a dick. Honestly, I would like to see if there was a real study done. Lots of stuff causes lung cancer - more than just cigarette smoking. I'm not a big fan of fossil fuel burning cars, but I have to walk the streets inhaling all of their toxic fumes (as I smoke my cigarette ).

I've stated it earlier - I'm a smoker, but don't mind the smoking bans. Some people need rules and regulations to keep them polite.

[JesseHope40]

QUOTE (Morpheus72 @ Friday, Jun 22 2012, 21:10)

The best thing is Labour Government ever did was ban smoking in public buildings. As a non-smoker I'm no longer punished for the disgusting, idiotic habits of other people. For the freedom-lovers who see smoking bans as an assault on civil liberties, did you know that one breath of another persons cigarette smoke is enough to trigger the reaction that causes lung cancer?

So ur saying thats the only way to get lung cancer? Not evryone with lung cancer smoked or got it from 2nd hand.

U know it only takes one ride in a car to get hit and killed by a drunk. One time trying a new food u didn't know u were allergic to. One airplane ride. One hunger jump. One freakn bike ride down the street can kill u.

I would love to see the link to the info about one breath of smoke causing lung cancer to start.

Just for fun, all ya'll Brits know the W.H.O. (world health organization), they published a study in the 90s (which was quickly taken back after the outrage) of kids whose parents smoked. I know this because when I was a kid my dad didn't like that my mom smoked around us and she showed him the article. They actually found that the kids whose parents smoked had stronger lungs and longer stamina. They likened it to working out with weights and making ur arms stronger. I just spent 10 mins looking online for any trace of this and found none. So I don't blame u if u don't believe wat I am telling u, I know this to be true as I was 15 at the time and clearly remember my moms joy in finding this. On the same hand, I'm not suprised that its not still out there, cuz that wouldn't conform to todays beliefs, just like it didn't then.

Edit: I found a little bit about what I was sayn above.

WWW.davehitt.com/facts/who.html

Take it how u want, I know its not their official site.

This post has been edited by JesseHope40 on Saturday, Jun 23 2012, 05:06

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QUOTE (Ryan @ Wednesday, Jun 20 2012, 03:09)

We've got similar laws regarding smoking here in Nova Scotia. With the exception of your house, you're not allowed to smoke in any building. You can smoke in bars, but there are designated smoking areas/rooms. Outside, no smoking is allowed within 4 meters of any building. While you can smoke in your own vehicle, it becomes illegal if persons under the age of 19 are present. Additionally, several towns, including my hometown have passed by-laws in recent years that make smoking illegal absolutely everywhere (including your own vehicle) with the exception of your own home. I'm in favour of the laws personally. I don't smoke. If I'm out and about, I don't want to be stuck near some annoying guy who's puffing smoke my way. If people want to smoke, make them do it in a place where it's no disturbing everyone else.

I think the dangers of second hand smoke are exxagerated and over hyped. I certainly don't support smoking bans in the vehicle, especially if no one under the age of 19 is even in the vehicle with you. The road to a risk free society is an extremely slippery slope. It started in the 90s with the construction of schools that have no playground equipment, then mandatory helmet laws for persons under the age of 18, then it was purposals for mandatory helmet laws for persons over the age of 18, and recently, an elementary school in Toronto banned the use of any balls after a woman was knocked out in the head. Now, a school in Toronto adopted an extreme hands of policy that effectively bans the game of tag.

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QUOTE (Criminal @ Thursday, Jun 21 2012, 19:04)

QUOTE (goin-god @ Thursday, Jun 21 2012, 14:15) QUOTE (JesseHope40 @ Thursday, Jun 21 2012, 15:11) QUOTE (Ryan @ Wednesday, Jun 20 2012, 03:09) We've got similar laws regarding smoking here in Nova Scotia. With the exception of your house, you're not allowed to smoke in any building. You can smoke in bars, but there are designated smoking areas/rooms. Outside, no smoking is allowed within 4 meters of any building. While you can smoke in your own vehicle, it becomes illegal if persons under the age of 19 are present. Additionally, several towns, including my hometown have passed by-laws in recent years that make smoking illegal absolutely everywhere (including your own vehicle) with the exception of your own home. I'm in favour of the laws personally. I don't smoke. If I'm out and about, I don't want to be stuck near some annoying guy who's puffing smoke my way. If people want to smoke, make them do it in a place where it's no disturbing everyone else. I smoke, and I agree that is annoying (even for a smoker) when smoke keeps drifting past ur face. That said, I am far more annoyed in my car and on the street by the other cars exhaust that is constantly blowing around. I find that to be far more annoying, and I've heard, much worse for you. And as far as the bar goes, gimme a break. we are all adults here, I would like to have a smoke with my whiskey and beer. That dosn't mean the person next to you wants the smoke in his face. Or the cancer that goes with it.

a lot of people don't believe in 2nd hand smoke, I am not one of them but I will say this
the amount of smoke you breathe in, even if it directly comes at you, is NOT harmful in the least, the people you are with would have to smoke a thousand cigs for it to have the slightest feeling of the smallest effect on your short term health of more than the time it takes to do a very small cough (similar to the ones you use to get someone's attention) this is coming from a person with a history of lung-related issues including asthma and 2 pneumophoraxes (spontaneous both - needed surgery) - seriously I am probably 2 medical setbacks away from being darth vader - not from 2nd hand smoke friend - one word: cars

when you go outside just for a minute you are getting many times more sh*t in your respatory system in one minute than you would for the 2nd hand smoke for a pack of cigarettes , because of vehicles churning out harmful gasses, not only to the environment but your health.
and that is jsut if you live in a medium town like me, imagine in a big city

This post has been edited by NateShaw92 on Tuesday, Jul 17 2012, 18:24

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QUOTE (RomansMoobs @ Wednesday, Jun 20 2012, 15:28)

My Dad lit up a cigarette outside of a Hospital and they told him he had to be 30 feet off of the property to smoke. You can't tell me that's not the most ignorant law.

Ok well that is completely f*cking understandable and you're just ignorant. Hospital=really sick people. Of course no one wants a cigarette near a hospital.

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I think it's perfect were it's at to banned smoking, they should start on alcohol.

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QUOTE (trip @ Friday, Jun 22 2012, 16:34)

QUOTE (Morpheus72 @ Friday, Jun 22 2012, 17:10) For the freedom-lovers who see smoking bans as an assault on civil liberties, did you know that one breath of another persons cigarette smoke is enough to trigger the reaction that causes lung cancer? Do you have anything professional to back that up, or is it just something told to you in health class to prevent you from starting smoking? I'm not being a dick. Honestly, I would like to see if there was a real study done.

I found a study online a while ago supporting the OP's original statement. Here's a fun fact, 53,800 people die annually from exposure to secondhand smoke, although most are due to heart disease and only around 3,000 are because of lung cancer. Here's the article, if you must.

@Sanjeem, Why do your Randomly capitalize Words in Your sentence? lol.

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In Scotland we've got a lot of laws on public smoking and all that and I fully agree with them. People who don't want to smoke shouldn't be subjected to it in public. Personally I think the whole smoking thing is horrible and I just don't understand why someone would want to smoke, but if they do then they should be forced to abide by the rules of it.