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QUOTE (Atrium @ Sunday, May 27 2012, 16:53)
QUOTE (DarrinPA @ Sunday, May 27 2012, 16:45)
QUOTE (mikecyclexxx @ Sunday, May 27 2012, 09:16)
Does anyone else remember doing rampages in tanks in GTA2? Because I sure do, for those of you who joined GTA at SA/IV; Rampages were side missions where you would be assinged a weapon/vehicle and must kill a certian number of NPC's within a time-limit or similar circumstances.
I really hope we get some of these elements back in V, thoughts?
Rampages were is GTA SA, but they were multi-player only. But if you have two controllers some of them were easy to do with only one person controlling both controllers.
I think you're onto something about it's "feel" changing a bit. But I think it's true for most games that started before the Ps3 / 360 generation. It seems as if this generation of counsoles has brought out the worst in game play while bringing out the best in graphics.
I agree that this gen hasn't been as fun as the last gen and the one before it. Not sure if it's me getting older or games getting less fun.
I'm guessing it's just that they are less fun. The Resident Evil franchise is a prime example; it seems as if game developers have too much proccessing power at their disposal and don't know what to do with so they start adding filler or just use it all for graphics. I had a friend who hated RE5, I convinced him to play RE4 and he loved it. He liked GTA IV then I made him buy GTA SA and that became his favorite. We aren't getting old, quality in gameplay is going down.
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I think it was the GTA III of this generation; basically, a test drive for the things that are to come later.
I'm unaware of the reasoning behind the removal of the "rampage", but it has been gone before IV which is were they took this "realistic" approach.
Also, wouldn't it be unrealistic for a single person to survive/avoid being "busted" long enough to attain a "6 star wanted level" and gun down hundreds of cops, rob banks, kidnap people, hide an RPG in his pocket, crash a car a million miles an hour and simply dint the car and walk away.
I think GTA being "realistic" is kind of a lost cause anyway.
Look at that, someone has ideas parallel to my own. To be honest I.don't think some things were removed because of realism, I think its simply the fact that some things don't make the final cut and realism is a way of reasoning why it is not in game, that being said I think there are some features that are removed (not all) so the game does feel more real, so it is taken seriously, so the game is not taken as a big joke like saints row.
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It's nothing more than nostalgia IMO. Just llike how you get people who think cars from the 50s, 60s, 70s etc are better than modern cars or how you get people who think older music is better than modern music. Everyone will always be split on the subject.
I grew up with the series and have watched it grow over the years however despite my love for the old games GTA IV is still a fine addition.
The whole "there's no reply value/nothing to do" argument has never persuaded me to think any less of GTA IV.
Funnily enough my longest save was even longer than my longest VC save. No reply value/nothing to do? I guess it depnds on the person, but I can always find something to do in GTA IV whether it's spraying peds in a hail of bullets or slowing things down by kicking back and playing pool or something.
GTA IV has always gathered a mix response. Some like me think it's a great asset to the series and while some negative points are justified most are just stupid and there's others that don't like it.
This post has been edited by Miamivicecity on Monday, May 28 2012, 00:39
QUOTE (Miamivicecity @ Monday, May 28 2012, 00:32)
It's nothing more than nostalgia IMO. Just llike how you get people who think cars from the 50s, 60s, 70s etc are better than modern cars or how you get people who think older music is better than modern music. Everyone will always be split on the subject.
I grew up with the series and have watched it grow over the years however despite my love for the old games GTA IV is still a fine addition.
The whole "there's no reply value/nothing to do" argument has never persuaded me to think any less of GTA IV.
Funnily enough my longest save was even longer than my longest VC save. No reply value/nothing to do? I guess it depnds on the person, but I can always find something to do in GTA IV whether it's spraying peds in a hail of bullets or slowing things down by kicking back and playing pool or something.
GTA IV has always gathered a mix response. Some like me think it's a great asset to the series and while some negative points are justified most are just stupid and there's others that don't like it.
It's funny how posters like you dismiss any point that we bring up as nostalgia.
And your example of cars is laughable. If you really think that the most modern technology is all that makes a car great, I would think of you as shallow. and all style, no substance. Same goes with your example of music.
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QUOTE (Atrium @ Monday, May 28 2012, 11:54)
QUOTE (Miamivicecity @ Monday, May 28 2012, 00:32)
It's nothing more than nostalgia IMO. Just llike how you get people who think cars from the 50s, 60s, 70s etc are better than modern cars or how you get people who think older music is better than modern music. Everyone will always be split on the subject.
I grew up with the series and have watched it grow over the years however despite my love for the old games GTA IV is still a fine addition.
The whole "there's no reply value/nothing to do" argument has never persuaded me to think any less of GTA IV.
Funnily enough my longest save was even longer than my longest VC save. No reply value/nothing to do? I guess it depnds on the person, but I can always find something to do in GTA IV whether it's spraying peds in a hail of bullets or slowing things down by kicking back and playing pool or something.
GTA IV has always gathered a mix response. Some like me think it's a great asset to the series and while some negative points are justified most are just stupid and there's others that don't like it.
It's funny how posters like you dismiss any point that we bring up as nostalgia.
And your example of cars is laughable. If you really think that the most modern technology is all that makes a car great, I would think of you as shallow. and all style, no substance. Same goes with your example of music.
QUOTE (libertycityfilms @ Sunday, May 27 2012, 23:06)
QUOTE (Atrium @ Sunday, May 27 2012, 22:49)
QUOTE (DeafMetal @ Sunday, May 27 2012, 17:46)
I think it was the GTA III of this generation; basically, a test drive for the things that are to come later.
The problem with that theory is that GTA III was actually a great game
i don't see a problem...so was IV
I do. As I always say, I find GTA 4 boring and unrealistic with nothing much to do.
Older GTAs, even VC, had a much diverse and realistic world, and rampages were a nice feature. The music and the overall atmosphere was always great, and I was highly disappointed with what we had in 4. No paramedic missions, no firefighter missions, no jetpack, rather poor music choice and much more.
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QUOTE (Лёшенька @ Monday, May 28 2012, 12:15)
QUOTE (libertycityfilms @ Sunday, May 27 2012, 23:06)
QUOTE (Atrium @ Sunday, May 27 2012, 22:49)
QUOTE (DeafMetal @ Sunday, May 27 2012, 17:46)
I think it was the GTA III of this generation; basically, a test drive for the things that are to come later.
The problem with that theory is that GTA III was actually a great game
i don't see a problem...so was IV
I do. As I always say, I find GTA 4 boring and unrealistic with nothing much to do.
Older GTAs, even VC, had a much diverse and realistic world, and rampages were a nice feature. The music and the overall atmosphere was always great, and I was highly disappointed with what we had in 4. No paramedic missions, no firefighter missions, no jetpack, rather poor music choice and much more.
QUOTE (Miamivicecity @ Monday, May 28 2012, 01:02)
QUOTE (Atrium @ Monday, May 28 2012, 11:54)
QUOTE (Miamivicecity @ Monday, May 28 2012, 00:32)
It's nothing more than nostalgia IMO. Just llike how you get people who think cars from the 50s, 60s, 70s etc are better than modern cars or how you get people who think older music is better than modern music. Everyone will always be split on the subject.
I grew up with the series and have watched it grow over the years however despite my love for the old games GTA IV is still a fine addition.
The whole "there's no reply value/nothing to do" argument has never persuaded me to think any less of GTA IV.
Funnily enough my longest save was even longer than my longest VC save. No reply value/nothing to do? I guess it depnds on the person, but I can always find something to do in GTA IV whether it's spraying peds in a hail of bullets or slowing things down by kicking back and playing pool or something.
GTA IV has always gathered a mix response. Some like me think it's a great asset to the series and while some negative points are justified most are just stupid and there's others that don't like it.
It's funny how posters like you dismiss any point that we bring up as nostalgia.
And your example of cars is laughable. If you really think that the most modern technology is all that makes a car great, I would think of you as shallow. and all style, no substance. Same goes with your example of music.
Great art transcends time.
Eh everyones' tastes are different buddy.
No kidding. The point I'm trying to make is that just because we like something older than its newer iteration, doesn't mean we're just nostalgic. New and shiny =/= greatness
San Andreas, Vice City and GTA III are the best GTAs, that's it, that's all. Plain and simple. Now it became way too realistic and the fun side is no more. It became as depressive as the real world.
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I think the point that Atrium is trying to make is that companies [lets use cars for example] begin to make production more cost efficient, while increasing profits. This leads to getting less for your money. Sure technology begins to make new cars worth purchasing because of better gas mileage or more power, but the same cycle begins in trying to make that new technology more cost efficent [by using plastic instead of metal, or raw materials from an inferior country / manufacturer] and increasing profit [charge higher prices by hyping this chage as revolutionary]. It's a never ending cycle. There are highs and lows to any company's products in terms of quality, it's not nostalgia, it's simply knowing when prduction was at it's highest quality.
Its all about growing. A franchise like GTA would not be around as long as it has been if it did not change. Not doing so leads to stagnation. I look at the direction GTA has moved in as its natural path of progression. Considering the housers earliest ambitions and influences for GTA I see as tehcnology has advanced and therefore afforded them more freedom to be creative has improved, they are getting closer to reaching that ultimate vision. I have always had the impression they strive to make the type of game that can sit alongside cinema and be seen as art, and that can only happen if there is refinement and evolution.
To me there is no "formula". Its a style and soul that only gta possesses but many games strive to replicate to no avail. At the end of the day though as long as R* and the housers are the brains behind GTA, at its core it will always be a GTA game i love. The day that changes is the day i think we can all truelly say the magic is gone.
QUOTE (Miamivicecity @ Monday, May 28 2012, 01:02)
QUOTE (Atrium @ Monday, May 28 2012, 11:54)
QUOTE (Miamivicecity @ Monday, May 28 2012, 00:32)
It's nothing more than nostalgia IMO. Just llike how you get people who think cars from the 50s, 60s, 70s etc are better than modern cars or how you get people who think older music is better than modern music. Everyone will always be split on the subject.
I grew up with the series and have watched it grow over the years however despite my love for the old games GTA IV is still a fine addition.
The whole "there's no reply value/nothing to do" argument has never persuaded me to think any less of GTA IV.
Funnily enough my longest save was even longer than my longest VC save. No reply value/nothing to do? I guess it depnds on the person, but I can always find something to do in GTA IV whether it's spraying peds in a hail of bullets or slowing things down by kicking back and playing pool or something.
GTA IV has always gathered a mix response. Some like me think it's a great asset to the series and while some negative points are justified most are just stupid and there's others that don't like it.
It's funny how posters like you dismiss any point that we bring up as nostalgia.
And your example of cars is laughable. If you really think that the most modern technology is all that makes a car great, I would think of you as shallow. and all style, no substance. Same goes with your example of music.
Great art transcends time.
Eh everyones' tastes are different buddy.
No kidding. The point I'm trying to make is that just because we like something older than its newer iteration, doesn't mean we're just nostalgic. New and shiny =/= greatness
Old and ropey-looking doesn't mean greatness either.
QUOTE (Miamivicecity @ Monday, May 28 2012, 01:02)
QUOTE (Atrium @ Monday, May 28 2012, 11:54)
QUOTE (Miamivicecity @ Monday, May 28 2012, 00:32)
It's nothing more than nostalgia IMO. Just llike how you get people who think cars from the 50s, 60s, 70s etc are better than modern cars or how you get people who think older music is better than modern music. Everyone will always be split on the subject.
I grew up with the series and have watched it grow over the years however despite my love for the old games GTA IV is still a fine addition.
The whole "there's no reply value/nothing to do" argument has never persuaded me to think any less of GTA IV.
Funnily enough my longest save was even longer than my longest VC save. No reply value/nothing to do? I guess it depnds on the person, but I can always find something to do in GTA IV whether it's spraying peds in a hail of bullets or slowing things down by kicking back and playing pool or something.
GTA IV has always gathered a mix response. Some like me think it's a great asset to the series and while some negative points are justified most are just stupid and there's others that don't like it.
It's funny how posters like you dismiss any point that we bring up as nostalgia.
And your example of cars is laughable. If you really think that the most modern technology is all that makes a car great, I would think of you as shallow. and all style, no substance. Same goes with your example of music.
Great art transcends time.
Eh everyones' tastes are different buddy.
No kidding. The point I'm trying to make is that just because we like something older than its newer iteration, doesn't mean we're just nostalgic. New and shiny =/= greatness
Old and ropey-looking doesn't mean greatness either.
I see you just love cocks, because you use "cock" word everywhere.
Naah, he just a kid(=13YO) who feel mature if he said such word.
On topic: IMO. They don't lose the touch, they just give us different touch. I agree with someone above that said when the graphic appears more realistic then the game should brings the same essence.
There is rampage in III, but peds are just like a doll moving. they saw other being shot but they act like nothing happened (walk in the park). That's so boring to me. Actually more realistic we get, more things we can do in the game, should be.
I think something like that would be too ridiculous for GTA. I think this belongs to Saints row, not GTA.
But if it was 100% optional and not part of the main storyline, sure why not.
But i'm almost certain that they won't be doing anything like that. Remember the MW1 airport mission and all the controversy it caused ? ( I dont have any problem with it but many people did. )
That was mw2 not mw1
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...nah i'm kidding ,i understand that you have your own opinion and i don't wanna push mine but...it's great 
