[EscoLehGo]

Hello everyone, I'm making this thread because I recently saw a video of an elderly white woman complaining about what she considered to be discrimination against white people in modern times. It should be mentioned that she was very heavy set and very southern. It was strange though because the scenarios she brought up were situations where people of color had apparently received privelge over her in some way and I think had they been white she wouldn't have had such a problem with it. But I heavily suspected that these scenarios had less to do with color and more to do with attitude. That being said, have any of you experienced this supposed phenomenon in the "politically correct" world?

[AreXi]

What the f*ck is reverse racism? If a black dude insults someone because he's white, it's racism just like it's the other way around...

[EscoLehGo]

QUOTE (AreXi @ Monday, May 21 2012, 15:33)

What the f*ck is reverse racism? If a black dude insults someone because he's white, it's racism just like it's the other way around...

Reverse racism is supposedly being discriminated against because you're white even though you live in a predominately white society, drop all that "we are the world sh*t" please and let's come back to reality. It's apparently a very real problem to a lot of people these days in the UK and US.

This post has been edited by EscoLehGo on Monday, May 21 2012, 15:39

[OdDsOcK]

It's really, really hard to make a case for any kind of reverse discrimination.

It's certainly racist to hold unfounded negative attitudes about someone based on the color of their skin, but (reverse) discrimination stops there at the individual level.

Historically in American society (I'm not well read enough to comment on the backdrops of other societies), minorities--blacks in particular--have been denied rights and privileges that whites have always kept to themselves. Not all whites have been a part of this denial, but all whites, myself included, are privileged because of the color of our skin whether we want to accept that fact or not.

So, when it comes to the individual level, of course people can be racist. I've had people call me whitey and treat me differently because I'm white, but I have never been discriminated against for a loan, a credit card, or my applications to universities and places of employment. As a result, making light of my skin color is hardly anything to complain about. If anything, they make fun of it because deep down, we all know that the color of my skin allows me things that are harder for them to obtain.

Having said all that, I reiterate that it is very difficult for whites to experience significant reverse discrimination.

[EscoLehGo]

QUOTE (OdDsOcK @ Monday, May 21 2012, 15:42)

It's really, really hard to make a case for any kind of reverse discrimination. It's certainly racist to hold unfounded negative attitudes about someone based on the color of their skin, but (reverse) discrimination stops there at the individual level. Historically in American society (I'm not well read enough to comment on the backdrops of other societies), minorities--blacks in particular--have been denied rights and privileges that whites have always kept to themselves. Not all whites have been a part of this denial, but all whites, myself included, are privileged because of the color of our skin whether we want to accept that fact or not. So, when it comes to the individual level, of course people can be racist. I've had people call me whitey and treat me differently because I'm white, but I have never been discriminated against for a loan, a credit card, or my applications to universities and places of employment. As a result, making light of my skin color is hardly anything to complain about. If anything, they make fun of it because deep down, we all know that the color of my skin allows me things that are harder for them to obtain. Having said all that, I reiterate that it is very difficult for whites to experience significant reverse discrimination.

This is how I feel about "reverse racism" on an individual basis it can exist but anything larger than that seems like a largely fictional and paranoid invention considering the historical position of minorities and Whites in American society.

[Mark]

What I personally find all the more baffling is the whole positive discrimination thing. I can understand why certain firms do it (the Metropolitan Police here in London came out in support of such tactics a few years back) but surely positive discrimination is negative to those who don't fit the required group? I was looking at signing up for the police force but found my likelihood of success versus someone who wasn't a single young caucasian male pretty poor. That isn't the reason I'm not part of the police don't get me wrong but it's just bizarre.

Apart from that, banter aside, I've never been racially abused by anyone.

[Toup]

To be honest saying something is reverse racism is pretty racist.

[OdDsOcK]

QUOTE (Toup @ Monday, May 21 2012, 13:00)

To be honest saying something is reverse racism is pretty racist.

That's racist.


But no seriously that's a good point if you really think about the wording.

[sivispacem]

As the poster above says, the idea of "reverse racism" is in itself racist. Something is either racist or it isn't, why should whites have a completely different term for it than when its focused on minorities?

[Robinski]

White privilege is still a thing, and in a "post-racial" western world it's even more insidious that it's ever been. Because it's no longer overt or even conscious it's much harder to detect or see and won't even be considered by those who are unaffected. Unless it's specifically laid out in front of you, you pretty much can't see it if you're not part of the persecuted group. Hell, you might not be able to see it if you're in that group. (For some reason an episode of Fresh Prince of Bel Air is the only example I can think of: Will and Carlton are driving a family friend's expensive car across the country as a favour and get arrested, and Carlton can't fathom that it was because they were two young black guys in a nice car)

Hopefully this is one of the closing stages society goes through before racial discrimination is truly a thing of the past.

This post has been edited by Robinski on Monday, May 21 2012, 20:37

[goin-god]

QUOTE (EscoLehGo @ Monday, May 21 2012, 12:28)

That being said, have any of you experienced this supposed phenomenon in the "politically correct" world?

Not really. I would actually laugh if I were to be called whitey by non white people.
Then again Argentina is more than 75% white. Literally blacks are the 1% here.
And, as has been said, the idea of "Reverse" racism is pretty racist.

[El_Diablo]

I'm white.

life is easy.

[zoo3891]

Racism is the belief that one race (not necessarily the dominant one) is better than another race (not necessarily the minority), reverse racism would be the belief that one race is lesser than another race which is what racism implies. Much to the dismay of drama-loving pre-teens, bringing up race isn't racist in itself.

Stop screaming "racist!" at everything.


This post has been edited by zoo3891 on Monday, May 21 2012, 22:22

[leik oh em jeez!]

QUOTE (AreXi @ Monday, May 21 2012, 10:33)

What the f*ck is reverse racism? If a black dude insults someone because he's white, it's racism just like it's the other way around...

It's quite common in the U.S. It's basically the opposite of what most would refer to as racism. Instead of someone who's black being mistreated, they are now awarded special privileges. Given jobs, accepted into schools, even before a more qualified person that doesn't belong to a minority.

I'll use my local school system as an example. We have rich neighborhoods in my area the comprise mostly of whites, and we have poor neighborhoods that comprise mostly of blacks. Now, even though they are part of different school districts, they will bus black kids over from the poor school district to the nicer school, and they'll bus white kids from the more wealthy district to the sh*thole school.

This is wrong on multiple levels.
1 - Many parents take school district into great consideration when moving, so if they pay more to buy a house that's in a good school district, and then the city buses their child to the most run down school in the city, the entire white family is getting f*cked over all in the name of racism. But they wouldn't have to worry about this if they were a black family.
2 - It's not based on income or area, but race. While there are a good number of whites kids at the more run down school in the poor district, none will ever be bused to the nicer school, only black kids. And while there are plenty of black kids at the nicer school, none will be bused to the run down school, only white kids.

It's racism. For some reason our government, and the media, only sees discrimination towards minorities to be bad, while discrimination towards whites is actually encouraged.
And anyone who says anything about it will just be referred to as a crazy racist redneck, and will be labelled as the bad guy for actually wanting equality.
THAT is what he means by reverse racism.

[Mr.Mister]

Never experienced any racial problems here in Canada.

[trip]

QUOTE (EscoLehGo @ Monday, May 21 2012, 11:35)

QUOTE (AreXi @ Monday, May 21 2012, 15:33) What the f*ck is reverse racism? If a black dude insults someone because he's white, it's racism just like it's the other way around... Reverse racism is supposedly being discriminated against because you're white even though you live in a predominately white society, drop all that "we are the world sh*t" please and let's come back to reality. It's apparently a very real problem to a lot of people these days in the UK and US.

Sorry man, I agree with AreXi on this one. It is all racism. If we start segregating racism - sh*t aint right.

I'm a white dude in a black city. I've been the victim of straight up racism more times than I care to relay.

[leik oh em jeez!]

QUOTE (trip @ Monday, May 21 2012, 17:29)

QUOTE (EscoLehGo @ Monday, May 21 2012, 11:35) QUOTE (AreXi @ Monday, May 21 2012, 15:33) What the f*ck is reverse racism? If a black dude insults someone because he's white, it's racism just like it's the other way around... Reverse racism is supposedly being discriminated against because you're white even though you live in a predominately white society, drop all that "we are the world sh*t" please and let's come back to reality. It's apparently a very real problem to a lot of people these days in the UK and US. Sorry man, I agree with AreXi on this one. It is all racism. If we start segregating racism - sh*t aint right. I'm a white dude in a black city. I've been the victim of straight up racism more times than I care to relay.

Again, while it's all racism, "reverse racism" is just a phrase coined to specifically refer to racism against the general majority that most people for some reason deem as acceptable, or ignore entirely.

[OdDsOcK]

leik oh em, I feel like you need a bit of a reality check. Nobody is encouraging racism against whites. The purpose of programs like busing and affirmative action, however well they may or may not work, is to level the playing field and give minorities the opportunities that they have been denied for so long. If you think whites are being actively discriminated against, you got it all wrong.

I feel like the question of reverse racism has reached a unanimous conclusion, and that is that the idea of reverse racism is hypocritical. Racism is racism. I think what is really meaning to be asked is if you have either encountered racism directed towards yourself or if you have encountered discrimination towards yourself based on race.

[Chunkyman]

QUOTE (leik oh em jeez! @ Monday, May 21 2012, 21:23)

It's quite common in the U.S. It's basically the opposite of what most would refer to as racism. Instead of someone who's black being mistreated, they are now awarded special privileges. Given jobs, accepted into schools, even before a more qualified person that doesn't belong to a minority. I'll use my local school system as an example. We have rich neighborhoods in my area the comprise mostly of whites, and we have poor neighborhoods that comprise mostly of blacks. Now, even though they are part of different school districts, they will bus black kids over from the poor school district to the nicer school, and they'll bus white kids from the more wealthy district to the sh*thole school. This is wrong on multiple levels. 1 - Many parents take school district into great consideration when moving, so if they pay more to buy a house that's in a good school district, and then the city buses their child to the most run down school in the city, the entire white family is getting f*cked over all in the name of racism. But they wouldn't have to worry about this if they were a black family. 2 - It's not based on income or area, but race. While there are a good number of whites kids at the more run down school in the poor district, none will ever be bused to the nicer school, only black kids. And while there are plenty of black kids at the nicer school, none will be bused to the run down school, only white kids. It's racism. For some reason our government, and the media, only sees discrimination towards minorities to be bad, while discrimination towards whites is actually encouraged. And anyone who says anything about it will just be referred to as a crazy racist redneck, and will be labelled as the bad guy for actually wanting equality.  THAT is what he means by reverse racism.

Well said.

Also, Affirmative Action pisses me off.

[OdDsOcK]

I don't intend to get too far into this because I like to think I have better things to do, but again, if you think affirmative action laws or some such things are in effect solely to discriminate against the majority, you are sorely misinformed, and I would strongly urge you to read the book "Racism Without Racists" by Eduardo Bonilla-Silva at the very least.

We've reached a point in American history where whites feel like because of the disappearance of overt racism, everyone has an equal chance to achieve success. This is wholly untrue, as not only do individuals hold negative racial attitudes, but many programs, laws, and regulations very subtly disadvantage blacks and other minorities, but they favor whites. A very small example would be the fact that 5g of crack cocaine possession nets the same sentence as possession of 500g of powdered cocaine. This statue is written in colorblind language, but blacks are significantly much more likely to be found with crack cocaine rather than powdered cocaine, which is considered more of a drug for whites. This is in spite of the fact that crack and powdered cocaine are largely the same product.

In regards to affirmative action, this is probably the best summation of it I've seen:

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Despite the gains that blacks have made in our nation, they have still not been allowed to catch up with white Americans. This is based in pure fact. I disagree with the structuring of affirmative action, but I do not recognize it as a program that "encourages" discrimination against whites, because it isn't.