[Boulevard]

Basically I want to buy a computer and use it to run 1920x1080 24 or 60fps (from my Rebel T3i 600d) smoothly on and be able to edit the videos using premiere pro. Also want to be able to play GTA IV (and V) in the future. Unfortunately my computer right now can't do those things because of the specs. The video will be too choppy and I don't have the right graphics card. Keep in mind I'm unable to upgrade my computer as it's not custom.

COMPAQ-HP
Windows 7 Premium 64-bit(6.1, Build 7600)
Processor: AMD Athlon™ II 170u Processor, ~2.0GHz
2048MB RAM
1365MB used, 2216MB available
DirectX 11
ATI Radeon 3000 Graphics
1366,768 (32bit)(60Hz)

My plans is buy a custom, but I'm just debating on which one I should. There's a $850 one with the specs:

CWMi5
Intel 3.1GHZ i5-2400 CPU
8GB DDR3 Memory
1 TB Hard Drive
BluRay ROM/DVDRW Combo Drive
1 x HDMI, 1 x DVI, 1 X VGA
USB 3.0

and the $1300

CWMi7
Intel 3.4GHZ i7-2600 CPU
8GB DDR3 Memory
2 TB Hard Drive
12xBluRay Read/Write
ATI Radeon HD5570 1GB
400W Power Supply
USB3.0

Those are my options, I'm wondering will I be able to run and edit 1920x1080 videos and be able to play video games on in smoothly? Also keep I'm mind i'm a newb at these things, so i don't really know what DDR3, 1 TB, etc means.

[Stinky12]

Both are a rip off.

[Boulevard]

QUOTE (Stinky12 @ Thursday, May 10 2012, 01:53)

Both are a rip off.

why

[Ryan]

QUOTE (Boulevard @ Wednesday, May 9 2012, 22:55)

QUOTE (Stinky12 @ Thursday, May 10 2012, 01:53) Both are a rip off. why

They're all pretty week. There's no way you're going to get 60 FPS at 1080P with those systems. If you give us your price range, someone can put together a list of components for you so you can build your own.

[Boulevard]

$800 - $1200

I'll say again in better words. I have a Canon Rebel T3i that records in 1920x1080 at 24fps or 60fps and want to edit the videos with Premiere Pro. Also want to be able to run a few games. What exactly should I get?

EDIT: Ryan, why exactly won't I be able to run 1080p with these systems?
EDIT2: Would getting the i5 and a good graphic card (and which one, if yes) be a better choice? I'm able to add some sh*t to the purchase for a few extra bucks..

This post has been edited by Boulevard on Thursday, May 10 2012, 03:11

[Otter]

Wait for Ivy Bridge; by all reports it should kick the sh*t out of video.

I don't know what Ryan's on about regarding the video, but it's been a while since I've cut anything on a PC. I can tell you that I've cut 1080p at 60fps (in a professional capacity) on my macbook pro: (which I'll admit is far overdue for a refresh... mainly for multitasking)

2.6GH i7 dual core
4GB 1067MHx DDR3
Geforce GT 330 512MB

So unless these guys can price you out something better for your price point, I don't think you're far off your mark. Get a spare internal HD, though, for sure.

[Stinky12]

It's a rip off because you can get yourself a really nice system for that price.

Core i5 3570K $249.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16819116504
Asrock Z77 Extreme 4 $139.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16813157293
Patriot Gamer 2 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1600 $42.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16820220558
Crucial M4 128GB SSD (SATA 6Gb/s) $124.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16820148442
Seagate 1TB 7200 HDD (SATA 6Gb/s) $99.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16822148697
XFX HD7850 2GB PCIe 3.0 $269.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16814150609
Asus Blu-Ray writer $89.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16827135252
NZXT Source 210 Elite White $49.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16811146077
Corsair TX650w Power Supply $89.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16817139020
Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo $34.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16835103099

$1,192.90 (not including shipping/tax)


The case also comes in Black
2 Free game coupons with the video card: Dirt 3 and Deus Ex
$3 bucks off on memory, EMCNENF98 ends: 5/10
$10 off on Asus Blu-Ray writer, EMCNENF42 ends: 5/10
$20 Promotional Gift card with CPU purchase, ends 5/15

This post has been edited by Stinky12 on Thursday, May 10 2012, 03:46

[finn4life]

That build kicks the absolute sh*t out of that crummy pre-built.
THe build stinky put together will run every game at Max settings (or pretty close) and it comes with an ssd.
Build it yourself its not hard.
--
I edited the post, The Stinky build was a little funny.

This post has been edited by finn4life on Thursday, May 10 2012, 06:22

[Fozzy Fozborne]

An alternative is to start with this: 2012 Paladin E from IBuyPower and have them build it for you.

It comes to $1163 with similar main specs to what Stinky posted with some exceptions.
Differences include:
2 TB hard drive instead of 1 TB (free upgrade)
No SSD included
Liquid cooling
Blu Ray reader / DVD burner instead of Blu Ray writer
Comes with Windows

What I would tell you to do is get an SSD later, but that's just me. Also, skip the BD writer unless it's really necessary. BD discs are expensive and slow to write to. Then again, to each his own.

Oh, and if you can, wait for Ivy Bridge. It's looking to be a fair upgrade over the current Sandy Bridge chips.

@Stinky, the SSD you chose (Crucial M4) is very slow for a modern SSD. We got one of those at work and we were able to get about 165-175 MBps write speed out of it. This is what Crucial advertises and seems good until you realize there are drives like this OCZ Vertex which are advertised at 550MBps for the same price. Oh and don't forget to include a copy of Windows

This post has been edited by Fozzy Fozborne on Thursday, May 10 2012, 04:44

[SyphonPayne]

QUOTE (Fozzy Fozborne @ Wednesday, May 9 2012, 23:42)

Oh, and if you can, wait for Ivy Bridge. It's looking to be a fair upgrade over the current Sandy Bridge chips.

Where are you looking? Ivy Bridge is already out and it is a very mediocre upgrade over SB (and in some ways a downgrade.)

[Stinky12]

OCZ was okay until they the BSOD issue where they reputation has gone down to the dumps.
Speed isn't everything as what is the point if the SSD you want is crap? Realibiilty comes first then speed.
Crucial M4 is currrently the best SSD around. The 2nd I'll pick is Intel, this has a faster write than the Crucial.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16820167121

[Fozzy Fozborne]

From TechSpot:
"Gaming with a discrete graphics card such as the GeForce GTX 580 saw the Core i7-3770K provide slightly more performance than the i7-2600K, but nothing to write home about. Power consumption was more impressive, taking 11% less power than the i7-2600K while performing on average 17% faster."

17% faster for the same price? Seems like a victory to me.

From MaximumPC:
"Yes, it’s hard to have the same enthusiasm we had when the Core i7-2600K first arrived and wiped the floor with all other CPUs, but you shouldn’t discount Ivy Bridge. It’s fast, it’s cheap, and it’s cool. What more could you ask for?"

From various areas I've read it's 7-18% faster in benchmarks but I have yet to see anything where it was worse. The only downside is that it appears Intels 22nm process is not so good at overclocking. If you've got some other info, send it my way.

@Stinky, if you're going to get an SSD why would you get one that's slow? It does make a difference in real world usage. I cannot defend OCZs reputation in reliability but I was just using that as an example of a drive that has about 3x the write speed. That Intel drive would be an excellent option.

This post has been edited by Fozzy Fozborne on Thursday, May 10 2012, 05:33

[yojo2]

Difference between IB and SB in games is nowehere near as big as in benchmarks. And you have to take into account that IB have worse OC capabilities.

@Stinky12: I'd change the HDD to a ST1000DM003, which is a newer, faster model based on 1TB platter. Other than that, It's a good build

[PrometheusX]

@Stinky: That build is imbalanced, so I made an "improved" version of it.

Component	Item	Price
Motherboard	ASRock Z77 Extreme4 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard	$140
Processor	Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz	$250
Memory	Patriot Gamer 2 Series 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1600	$43
Graphics Card	GIGABYTE Radeon HD 7950 3GB 384-bit GDDR5 Video Card	$400
Hard Drive	Seagate 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive	$110
Solid State Drive	Mushkin Enhanced Chronos Deluxe 2.5" 120GB SATA III SSD	$120
Case	Thermaltake Commander Series White / Black SECC ATX Mid Tower Computer Case	$60
Power Supply	Thermaltake TR2 RX 750W SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Power Supply	$90
Total		$1213
Notes	* Newegg Promotional Gift Card (value:$20.00) * AMD Gift - AMD Gaming Evolved Three For Free Coupon * 3.5” SSD adapter bracket included. * Why that HDD? It's the only 1TB that's not bare drive. * yojo to the rescue once again!

This post has been edited by PrometheusX on Thursday, May 10 2012, 10:37

[yojo2]

But what's the problem with bare drives? Why would you want a boxed HDD?
Also, this Sapphire card has a pathetic cooling system. And Gigabyte with Windofrce cooler costs the same: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16814125414


Here's how this Sapphire looks without plastic cover. Need I say more?

This post has been edited by yojo2 on Thursday, May 10 2012, 10:15

[PrometheusX]

Not one more word.

Anyways bare drive means only the HDD - no cables, no accessories, nothing.

[yojo2]

Yeah, but why would you need those? Especially seeing as mobo comes with two SATA cables.

[Stinky12]

QUOTE (PrometheusX @ Thursday, May 10 2012, 09:23)

@Stinky: That build is imbalanced, so I made an "improved" version of it.

How imbalanced is it?
By 10 degrees or 90 degrees.

Anyway, OP sets a max budget of $1200, when I configure a build, I always try to fall below budget (not including shipping).
Also I added a Blu-ray as how OP has a DSLR, he may want to burn to a Blu-Ray disc or something (it's also because one of the new build he picked
has a Blu-Ray drive)
If Blu-Ray drive isn't needed, it can go towards a better GPU and PSU.

About IB not as good as SB (worst OC and runs hotter), well that didn't stop people from buying it, as 2 out of 3 IB Core i7 are sold out (newegg). For the temp, a 3rd party cooler will keep the CPU cool within its acceptable limits.
Also if anyone wants to run PCIe 3.0, you must get a Ivy Bridge. Getting a PCIe 3.0 graphic card with a SB, will make your graphic card run on PCIe 2.0. This is because SB doesn't support PCIe 3.0 and the PCIe controller is built into the CPU, it's not on the motherboard.
http://ark.intel.com/compare/61275,65523

Sandy Bridge E supports PCIe 3.0, but that's another platform

This post has been edited by Stinky12 on Thursday, May 10 2012, 15:02

[Fozzy Fozborne]

Oh, wow Ivy Bridge is out. Of course it's out because the processor we're all looking at is Ivy Bridge.

I guess I just got confused by all the IB laptop previews I've been seeing.

[Stinky12]

Retail HDD have a 1 year warranty as to 2 years on bare drives.
Seagate drop from 3 years to 2, and 5 years to 3.
Both WD Blue and Green drop down from 3 years down to 2 years.
WD Black, Scorpio Black, Velociraptor, Enterprise (RE) still retain their 5 year warranty.

WD warranty starts from date of manufacture. You need to e-mail them your proof of purchase, then they will update
the warranty period starting from the date you bought it. Retail drives can get extended warranty for a fee, don't know if they still do
that or raise the price.

This post has been edited by Stinky12 on Thursday, May 10 2012, 19:07