[lil weasel]

Often fails to pay close attention to details or makes careless mistakes in schoolwork or other activities
Often has trouble sustaining attention during tasks or play
Seems not to listen even when spoken to directly
Has difficulty following through on instructions and often fails to finish schoolwork, chores or other tasks
Often has problems organizing tasks or activities
Avoids or dislikes tasks that require sustained mental effort, such as schoolwork or homework
Frequently loses needed items, such as books, pencils, toys or tools
Can be easily distracted
Often forgetful
Fidgets or squirms frequently
Often leaves his or her seat in the classroom or in other situations when remaining seated is expected
Often runs or climbs excessively when it's not appropriate or, if an adolescent, might constantly feel restless
Frequently has difficulty playing quietly
Always seems on the go
Talks excessively
Blurts out the answers before questions have been completely asked
Frequently has difficulty waiting for his or her turn
Often interrupts or intrudes on others' conversations or games

These used to be simple definitions of childhood.
When did the Educatioon system give up?
When did the Drug companies get the edge in?
(Shades of the Brave New World) Don't Psychiatrists make enough money off their "science"?

This post has been edited by lil weasel on Monday, Apr 23 2012, 00:37

[Irviding]

ADHD is a serious disorder and while I don't like the way you're making a joke out of it, I can agree that it is perhaps over-diagnosed in some people. If you've ever met someone with either disorder, you'd probably realize that you're wrong. The kids who are given a serious workup of the disorder 99% of the time probably actually have it. Infact, a kid in my dorm was actually diagnosed with it at age 19. So really, acting as if it's normal in all kids or whatever is just plain ignorant on your part.

[El_Diablo]

it's all about selling drugs.

the pharmaceutical industry is one of the single largest lobbying groups on Cap Hill.
pharmaceutical drugs cost literally pennies to make but they can charge 15-20 bucks or more per-pill on the prescription, marking the sh*t up over 1000%.

ADHD is just the latest, most visible scam. it's a real thing but WAAAAAAAAAY over diagnosed.
it all goes back to Prozac and anti-depressants.

this is why the pharma lobbyists (along with big tobacco and alcohol) push so hard to keep marijuana illegal.
they need to hold their monopoly on feel-good drugs.

[Irviding]

QUOTE (El_Diablo @ Sunday, Apr 22 2012, 19:43)

it's all about selling drugs. the pharmaceutical industry is one of the single largest lobbying groups on Cap Hill. pharmaceutical drugs cost literally pennies to make but they can charge 15-20 bucks or more per-pill on the prescription, marking the sh*t up over 1000%. ADHD is just the latest, most visible scam. it's a real thing but WAAAAAAAAAY over diagnosed. it all goes back to Prozac and anti-depressants. this is why the pharma lobbyists (along with big tobacco and alcohol) push so hard to keep marijuana illegal. they need to hold their monopoly on feel-good drugs.

It is a real thing and yes, way overdiagnosed, but I have a younger cousin with it and it really aggravates me when people just run around ignorantly calling it a "scam" or whatever else. As I said, if a kid is taken to someone who actually knows what they are doing and gives a proper workup, it's probably not misdiagnosed.

[GTA_stu]

Well said Irviding. It is a real condition, and too many people dismiss it. Just because it's a relatively new thing that's been diagnosed and discovered doesn't make it any less of a legitimate condition. Mental illness has too much stigmatism surrounding it, not just things like ADHD, but in general as well.

[AlexGTAGamer]

I know quite a few people who have ADHD, and I can tell that they do have it and that they are not pulling everyone's leg.

I also agree that it is way over diagnosed.

[lil weasel]

I am not Joking nor making a Joke of it.
When Doctors and Lawyers get together to make a illness, we have a situation.
Insurance companies pay a lot to these people.
When 'millions' of kids have something that isn't a 'cold' you can't make light of it.
BUT, I still think that there is something wrong with that list of symptoms. Every kid should be on that list.
Those of you who say you know someone diagnosed with it (or its kin) sid down, put you chin in your hand, and take another close look.
What is it that that person actually is doing that makes the person ILL to the point of needing drugs?
If you didn't know, would you know?

[Jeeebuuus]

I have had attention problems since I was a kid and they said I was borderline ADD. I think it's just that I have an overactive imagination and I may overanalyze issues when I should be paying attention to what's being said in the moment. I think we can cure many of these symptoms but in order to do so we would have to collectively and somewhat radically change our outlook on health. That doesn't look like it's going to happen because, hey what's on t.v.?

[AlexGTAGamer]

You know that teenagers and children aren't the only ones who can get ADHD, adults can too.

On a side note though, many people may not actually have ADHD, instead they could really have another condition(s) like:
- Anxiety disorder
- Oppositional defiant disorder (ODD)
- Conduct disorder
- Depression
- Sleep problems
- Epilepsy
- Tourette's syndrome
- Learning difficulties/Dyslexia

[vertical limit]

Big Pharma

[Irviding]

But the list of symptoms you gave are not exhaustive. While diagnosing a 4 year old with ADHD based on the above symptoms would be plain dumb, say I am 16 and I have those same symptoms. Psychiatrists have different symptoms to check for depending on the age, gender, etc.

[El_Diablo]

QUOTE (Irviding @ Sunday, Apr 22 2012, 17:49)

it really aggravates me when people just run around ignorantly calling it a "scam" or whatever else.

but it is a scam.
as it exists right now, it's more about making money than proper treatment.

until they fix this, it's more scam than not.

[Jeeebuuus]

I think the reason the scam has gone on as long as it has is that your average person doesn't have the time or patience to find out more about this subject. It is probably for the best that we don't I mean we don't want to upset the lobbyists if we happen to find an alternative solution.

[Chunkyman]

A lot of parents pull the ADHD card to excuse the behavior of their kids. I'm sure many kids have a real mental issue, but probably 75% of people with this disease are misdiagnosed.

[Irviding]

QUOTE (Chunkyman @ Sunday, Apr 22 2012, 20:33)

A lot of parents pull the ADHD card to excuse the behavior of their kids. I'm sure many kids have a real mental issue, but probably 75% of people with this disease are misdiagnosed.

I call bullsh*t on that statistic.

While I agree that the way they treat ADHD is not the best way (i.e. taking a certain pill for the rest of your life in order to suppress it) is not the best way, it's completely wrong to come in here and act as if it's some bullsh*t scam made up and diagnosed to a bunch of kids in order to line pockets of the pharmaceutical industries. That's true of almost every drug out there nowadays. Lipitor, need it daily, crestor, etc all that sh*t doesn't actually fix the problem, it just deters it. While the other side argues, well that's because we don't know how to fix it, I accept that. I'm sure they truly don't know how to fix it. But with that said, more research and development should be going to trying to fix it and not just mitigate it for your lifetime. Unfortunately when the medical industry is privatized, that's the problem. Government run, top down system, and this problem is gone.

This post has been edited by Irviding on Monday, Apr 23 2012, 01:43

[lil weasel]

The List is “Not Exhaustive”. What is that saying? It already contains just about everything that child (or living adult) should have in a normal life.
This whole farce began when a teacher couldn’t contain the actions of a child who ran around the classroom. The inability of the school system to chastise a child without laying a belt across a bottom leads now to drugging entire generations. And when the child becomes an adult? When does it stop? Putting the drugs in the water supply?
Anybody read ‘Brave New World’?

[Jeeebuuus]

Been meaning to read brave new world for sometime now. I gather from what I've heard it has to do with mass apathy. I'm sure there is a lot more too it.

Since I am typing on an iPad I can't reply so fast and I wish I could go into further discussion because this topic is good and I would have alot too say. Unfortunately I'm also a little drunk.

[Tyler]

The current system of privatised pharmaceuticals doesn't at all equate to or look anything similar to the setting of Brave New World. What a bogus sentiment.

[lil weasel]

Referencing BNW for the mass drugging of the 'worker' class to keep them docile and exploited.

[Irviding]

QUOTE (lil weasel @ Sunday, Apr 22 2012, 20:43)

The List is “Not Exhaustive”. What is that saying? It already contains just about everything that child (or living adult) should have in a normal life. This whole farce began when a teacher couldn’t contain the actions of a child who ran around the classroom. The inability of the school system to chastise a child without laying a belt across a bottom leads now to drugging entire generations. And when the child becomes an adult? When does it stop? Putting the drugs in the water supply?

It means that you listed not every symptom nor did you list every symptom for each age group. And are you seriously stating that corporal punishment works?

If a living adult has those symptoms by the way, there's a serious problem if you ask me.