[Mighty Mickey]

Alright, I am creating this topic because I think we have missed some information in the press release of Rockstar. I am trying to point out these observations as follows:

1. R* said GTA V is going to be the "largest and most ambitious game" and a few months later Dan Houser said that the game will feature a large map. Now, this is the important part - Dan Houser right before his statement said that he would stick to the official words only, but still said V would incorporate a big map(which is not in R*'s statement, at least at first sight). Assuming that Dan Houser had sticked to the press release, then R* while saying "largest and most ambitious game" must have actually referred to the map size.

Conclusion - GTA V will feature the largest(emphasis on largest, its not "large" or "larger") map ever.

2. While saying "bold new direction" they could have actually referred to a game engine change. Here are the arguments for my position:

Argument 1 - Even after 4 years from GTA IV release, GTA V is not released. The last time they took this much time was when they were shifting engine, as you all know. So can't the "bold new direction" be another engine change? (Now, you may argue that R* is simultaneously developing other games and so they are taking this much time. R* north studio is in charge of GTA series and other games are developed in different R* studios. So that is not a reason for the long development time.)

Argument 2 - GTA V logo contains a roman numeral five contrary to some other GTA logos like those of VC and SA. R* does this when they are heading towards a new era. And a new era means a new engine, right??

Conclusion - GTA V might be on a new engine.

3. From my first point, it is clear that GTA V would feature the largest map ever. That means it is going to be something like a Los Santos which has the size of original SA state(at least). R* might do this in two ways:

Method 1 - Create a map of the size of entire SA state(at least), name it as Los Santos, and fill it with brand new places(made me think of this because R* said that it was going to be a "re-imagined Southern California").

Method 2 - Stretch the actual Los Santos proportionally so that the alleys would become the main roads and original main roads would become national highways. Even then there would be a lot of places which might not have been there in the original version. So they will have to come up with a lot of new places to fill the vacant spaces.


Conclusion - GTA V will have a lot of new places. There will also be many places in V which are known to us from GTA SA but unnamed in the original version.

This post has been edited by Mighty Mickey on Tuesday, Apr 17 2012, 14:28

[jdrandall38]

Looking at the initial trailer for GTA V, they did not switch engines. They just have had more on their plate than just the Grand Theft Auto series. Plus with this era of gaming, it takes longer to make a great game. Sure Rockstar most likely didn't start production of GTA V until 2010, but we are looking at around 3 years to make this game. Not exactly enough time to completely reboot the series again with a new engine. Also seeing as this will be the last GTA game on current gen consoles, it wouldn't make any sense to change it for only one game.

[lana_del_rey]

I can't wait to see how many people will talk about how Rockstar would never abandon RAGE, etc. *popcorn .gif*

[WhiteArcticFox]

Looks like the same engine to me

I'm just gonna wait until we got R* word on it, I'm tired of these speculations after speculations

[KrushLTx10]

There's not that much to discuss anymore. We're scraping the bottom of the barrel, and have gone into the ground with all of our theories/speculations/findings. I'm hoping R* feeds us something by the end of this month or, we'll see another fake leak that some people think are true in the very first moments of it's existence on this forum and locked and shoved back in the forum's pages.

[Method]

But why? Why would a company take so much time working on pretty much an almost perfect engine just to scrap it in four year's time?

To be honest, what the statement's mean combined is that V's map is the biggest they've yet created in a game and will feature the most gameplay element's in any Rockstar* game we've see. Don't try and stretch their word's. It's not worth the disappointment.

[rodneythesavior]

QUOTE (Mighty Mickey @ Monday, Apr 16 2012, 18:42)

Conclusion - GTA V might be on a new engine.

Too bad Rockstar already said that GTA V will be using RAGE huh?

[fatal1ty619]

QUOTE (WhiteArcticFox @ Tuesday, Apr 17 2012, 02:47)

Looks like the same engine to me I'm just gonna wait until we got R* word on it, I'm tired of these speculations after speculations

Exactly my thoughts. There is nothing else to tear apart on this forum. We just have to wait for another piece of info to destroy.

And I agree that it looks the same. Same cop car, and similar Congoscenti (just 2 door). Just looks a little better than IV because it isn't gameplay. It is a scripted cutscene (which many people refuse to believe for whatever reason.)

[DeafMetal]

I don't think it's a new engine, but maybe a highly updated RAGE engine. Like RAGE 2.0 or something. Good observations.

[koothara]

Look at RDR,see and understand the power of RAGE.Why R* want to develop a new engine when they already have a power full and well optimized engine?.Why people hate RAGE?

[Eagles]

QUOTE (Mighty Mickey @ Tuesday, Apr 17 2012, 02:42)

Argument 2 - GTA V logo contains a roman numeral five contrary to some other GTA logos like those of VC and SA. R* does this when they are heading towards a new era. And a new era means a new engine, right?? Conclusion - GTA V might be on a new engine.

Roman numbers were already in GTA IV and it was in a 'new era', as you like to call it, and in a new engine.
They won't create another engine for V; they'll just improve the current one.

About the V map being the largest in the GTA series, that was obvious.

[Gtaghost22]

QUOTE (rodneythesavior @ Tuesday, Apr 17 2012, 02:51)

QUOTE (Mighty Mickey @ Monday, Apr 16 2012, 18:42) Conclusion - GTA V might be on a new engine. Too bad Rockstar already said that GTA V will be using RAGE huh?

This
Sorry Op.. i dont want to break it to you but GTA V will obviously use RAGE its a fact

[gionascm2]

No.

Your arguments were valid and made sense up until your conclusion.

Eras are seperated by consoles, not by roman numerals. We are currently in the third era, and the fourth era will begin on the Playstation 4 and XBox 720.

[Mr. Darko]

QUOTE (gionascm2 @ Tuesday, Apr 17 2012, 04:40)

No. Your arguments were valid and made sense up until your conclusion. Eras are seperated by consoles, not by roman numerals. We are currently in the third era, and the fourth era will begin on the Playstation 4 and XBox 720.

Sort of. It's definitely connected to the hardware "2D era, 3D era, HD era, etc," but a console shift may not necessary mean moving away from the "HD era", because while the jump should be really good graphically, I don't know what exactly would separate the 'type' of graphics they are (they're still not going to be photorealistic). I'm not even sure what they would call this next one, anyway. But I can imagine them wanting to do a few more cities within this single continuity, capping it off before moving on to a new "era". PS4 and 720 may just be a continuation of the "HD era", or it could be, as you said, the start of a new "era". That's one area where we can't be totally sure.

[Nah Tso Gud]

QUOTE (Mr. Darko @ Tuesday, Apr 17 2012, 01:11)

QUOTE (gionascm2 @ Tuesday, Apr 17 2012, 04:40) No. Your arguments were valid and made sense up until your conclusion. Eras are seperated by consoles, not by roman numerals. We are currently in the third era, and the fourth era will begin on the Playstation 4 and XBox 720. Sort of. It's definitely connected to the hardware "2D era, 3D era, HD era, etc," but a console shift may not necessary mean moving away from the "HD era", because while the jump should be really good graphically, I don't know what exactly would separate the 'type' of graphics they are (they're still not going to be photorealistic). I'm not even sure what they would call this next one, anyway. But I can imagine them wanting to do a few more cities within this single continuity, capping it off before moving on to a new "era". PS4 and 720 may just be a continuation of the "HD era", or it could be, as you said, the start of a new "era". That's one area where we can't be totally sure.

That's sortve why I thought that they didn't come out and categorize eras by console, sortve leaves next gen open to the possibility of continuing this gen using other locales... LV SF or VC, maybe continuing certain parts of the story from IV.

[GTAViscool1]

R* uses RAGE, but it's updated.

[Lysoformic]

the roman number change because they no longer have names, and customize the number ...

[cherrycola]

The long development time could be due to several reasons. R* North have contributed to other R* projects since GTA IV, and they've also done the episodes, so it's really not much more than 2-3 years at FULL development when you take it into perspective.

[Gregers08]

QUOTE (Lysoformic @ Tuesday, Apr 17 2012, 07:06)

the roman number change because they no longer have names, and customize the number ...

They could have easily called it GTA: Los Santos the five has to be for something more than that, probably a new game mechanic that will blow our minds question is what?

[cherrycola]

According to the announcement, it's not just Los Santos, it's a re-imagined Southern California. What that definition includes remains to be seen, but I think we can already judge by looking at the trailer that the city is just going to be a part of the game.