[Slamman]

His character in RDR is a victim of the violence of the old west, he's simply NOT MORTAL, as attested by what he knows in the afterlife, and in the end he says he's been damned, already, but at the beginning he says he wished he had had guidance, in his mortal life, so he entrusts John to the tasks in the game, but in the end, he turns his back on offering Marston any real help, since he's more condescending about John's fate, based on his exploits in the past, though he does keep killing, as we know, and it seems, also shows a lot of indifference in regard to John's faith, or soul, if you will. He appears at the location where John's story ends, we note he cannot be killed, another obvious clue or sign.
That's how I interpret it, being raised in a Christian family, if you're not as familiar with religion perhaps it's just that much more confusing, but it seems to make sense.
You can't expect him to be angelic, not in a Rockstar game, for sure! haha

This post has been edited by Slamman on Saturday, Apr 14 2012, 03:00

[InstantCClassic]

Man, that reminds me, I still need to finish RDR's story.

[spike88]

QUOTE (InstantCClassic @ Friday, Apr 13 2012, 22:00)

Man, that reminds me, I still need to finish RDR's story.

So do I, I actually restarted it recently. The funny bit is that I was on "Old friends...New Problems" in my last game, and restarting it brought me back to "New Friends...Old Problems"

[Slamman]

QUOTE (tjbyrum1 @ Friday, Apr 13 2012, 22:41)

God doesn't belong in GTA V.

BLASPHEMER!!!

I think there's certainly allowable space for morals and religion, as long as it's handled in a manner that doesn't mock it, having Churches and the wedding in GTA IV for example, and funeral, etc... It worked in a GTA context that really wasn't offensive at all, and having those honor or dishonor choices extend the one game further

[MrDanceWithLance]

QUOTE (Slamman @ Saturday, Apr 14 2012, 03:16)

QUOTE (tjbyrum1 @ Friday, Apr 13 2012, 22:41) God doesn't belong in GTA V. BLASPHEMER!!! I think there's certainly allowable space for morals and religion, as long as it's handled in a manner that doesn't mock it, having Churches and the wedding in GTA IV for example, and funeral, etc... It worked in a GTA context that really wasn't offensive at all, and having those honor or dishonor choices extend the one game further

I totally agree with you. God is allowed to be represented in GTA, as long as it is not used in an offensive or blasphemous matter.

[WILLAL212]

QUOTE (MrDanceWithLance @ Saturday, Apr 14 2012, 04:05)

QUOTE (Slamman @ Saturday, Apr 14 2012, 03:16) QUOTE (tjbyrum1 @ Friday, Apr 13 2012, 22:41) God doesn't belong in GTA V. BLASPHEMER!!! I think there's certainly allowable space for morals and religion, as long as it's handled in a manner that doesn't mock it, having Churches and the wedding in GTA IV for example, and funeral, etc... It worked in a GTA context that really wasn't offensive at all, and having those honor or dishonor choices extend the one game further I totally agree with you. God is allowed to be represented in GTA, as long as it is not used in an offensive or blasphemous matter.

I agree morals and the truth about those who ignore them was shown beautifully in gta 4 (look at brian, marnie, and nikos end) while I want gta 5 to have a more humourous tone I think gritty realism should poke its head every once in a while

[Slamman]

Apart from the humor aspect, it adds credibility and merit to a game once thought to be totally amoral and degenerate generating! Breeding a lot of terrible people who play this series, and I'm actually here to prove them wrong! I think they want to incorporate a character and game with multiple dimensions, which is certainly what RDR offers up

[thestoneman420]

QUOTE (MrDanceWithLance @ Saturday, Apr 14 2012, 04:05)

QUOTE (Slamman @ Saturday, Apr 14 2012, 03:16) QUOTE (tjbyrum1 @ Friday, Apr 13 2012, 22:41) God doesn't belong in GTA V. BLASPHEMER!!! I think there's certainly allowable space for morals and religion, as long as it's handled in a manner that doesn't mock it, having Churches and the wedding in GTA IV for example, and funeral, etc... It worked in a GTA context that really wasn't offensive at all, and having those honor or dishonor choices extend the one game further I totally agree with you. God is allowed to be represented in GTA, as long as it is not used in an offensive or blasphemous matter.

That's no fun

[Slamman]

Again, why must it be "fun", it's not a Fun Simulator now is it? The reality aspect is just as important as the gaming FUN factor, that's the point we're making, it's pretty much a given that Sam's idea will be to take GTA in a more realistic direction, and it won't be that far fetched and beyond the realm of reality, that's what Saints Row is, and why copy them?!?!

[thestoneman420]

QUOTE (Slamman @ Saturday, Apr 14 2012, 07:52)

Again, why must it be "fun", it's not a Fun Simulator now is it? The reality aspect is just as important as the gaming FUN factor, that's the point we're making, it's pretty much a given that Sam's idea will be to take GTA in a more realistic direction, and it won't be that far fetched and beyond the realm of reality, that's what Saints Row is, and why copy them?!?!

I was joking, I just meant what's the point of God in GTA if it can't be offensive or blasphemous, that's my only relationship with the guy! (if we are talking the Christian deity and not an overall spiritual 'god'...I am a spiritual guy).

[theomenofficial]

Stay on topic.

[FRA1Z3R]

While GTA has never really been blaspheming to any one religion in particular, R* does a good job at leaving those views and opinions up to the person who is playing the game. While there may be an atheist, Muslim, or Christian, among other religions in GTA, doesn't mean that they are being Blasphomist when they [R*] reflect what is going on in the real world. It happens everyday, people persecuting other people because of their religious beliefs, damning them to hell, or just looking down on them for what they may or may not believe in.

Going back to leaving those views and opinions up to the person who is playing the game. If someone finds something in a R* game that may be offensive to them (when R* has givin no clear answer or explanation, leaving the view open ended) it usually means that, that person is insecure or uncomfortable with what they believe in, so they nit pic at what has been said or done making it totally about what they believe in. Doing this is what drives people to feel like they have to defend what they believe in and why they believe in it. "Well I was raised this way..." or "That is Blasphomy cause it goes against what I believe in, which is (insert religion here...)" This is where I see a problem with a lot of peoples "beliefs" They are too busy trying to point out the flaws and wrong doing with everyone around them, that they do not realize what they are doing wrong themselves.

This would fit nicely in the GTA universe, and it would bring to fruition everything I have just said with people coming out of the wood work to try and bash the game, for something that they are just insecure about.

All this being said, having an open ended character that the audience comes to their own conclusion about is something that R* can pull off, especially in a modern setting.