[Long_Haired_Boy]

History books determine the winner, and also nukes.

[Butters 2011]

QUOTE (Long_Haired_Boy @ Saturday, Apr 14 2012, 23:58)

History books determine the winner, and also nukes.

That makes no f*cking sense whatsoever. Get the f*ck back to the V section.

[Jeeebuuus]

QUOTE (Butters 2011 @ Sunday, Apr 15 2012, 00:15)

QUOTE (Long_Haired_Boy @ Saturday, Apr 14 2012, 23:58) History books determine the winner, and also nukes. That makes no f*cking sense whatsoever. Get the f*ck back to the V section.

I think he means history is written by the victors. That makes sense.

[Mr.Funny12]

Quote from Call Of Duty?^^^

Nah, WW3 wouldn't start if NK started trying to be hard.

They are too small to cause that big of a problem.

[Piperka]

QUOTE (KaRzY6 @ Saturday, Apr 14 2012, 15:08)

Countries, like Australia, send all this money to countries like North Korea

Please tell me this isn't true.

[goin-god]

QUOTE (Mr.Funny12 @ Sunday, Apr 15 2012, 04:07)

Quote from Call Of Duty?^^^

FFS. It's a quote from Winston Churchill, not f*cking COD.

[˸øåíüêà]

QUOTE (SPMovies @ Saturday, Apr 14 2012, 00:33)

QUOTE (Robinski @ Friday, Apr 13 2012, 13:47) QUOTE (gtafreak103 @ Friday, Apr 13 2012, 13:36) Soon we're gonna get tired of the missle firing and send some US troops to go f*ck them up. A message saying that this is what happens. There is absolutely no way this plan can fail. --George W. Bush 2003 If you had any knowledge besides the bullsh*t propaganda the media feeds us with, you would know neither Iraq nor Afghanistan have or were a "failiure." I dont agree with either, but we have come a long way in both nations.

LOL

Of course you did.

[AtomicPunk]

The U.S. doesn't have any reason to attack North Korea. It is Iran that the zionists wanna destroy next.

[sivispacem]

QUOTE (AtomicPunk @ Sunday, Apr 15 2012, 23:04)

The U.S. doesn't have any reason to attack North Korea. It is Iran that the zionists wanna destroy next.

Why don't you take your anti-Semitic bullsh*t elsewhere, perhaps one of the conspiracy theory websites? I'm sure they'll be far more receptive to your thinly veiled racist propaganda.

[RomansMoobs]

The question is, what nation is going to bitch slap them and put them in their place?

[X3MAC]

QUOTE (RomansMoobs @ Tuesday, Apr 17 2012, 08:43)

The question is, what nation is going to bitch slap them and put them in their place?

US of A we need to go to Korea and kick there ass

[El Zilcho]

QUOTE (Straznicy @ Saturday, Apr 14 2012, 00:47)

QUOTE (sivispacem @ Friday, Apr 13 2012, 20:24) It's interesting to see the latest failure coming so soon after launch. This isn't a particularly new technology that the DPRK are trialing, and they've tested similar solid-fuel ballistic missile/"Rocket" technology before with greater success. To me, this signifies an increasing element of isolation- China appear no longer to be directly financing and supporting the North Korean ballistic missile program (perhaps as it has become so geopolitically harmful for them to do so) and the result of this is them actually regressing technologically. There's talk of a nuclear test in the near future- it will be very interesting, if this takes place, to see the estimated yield of it comes close to the last test. If not, that could be a sign that China are no longer supplying them with nuclear technology such as explosive lenses and precision-machined tampers which are required for effective weapons. I think that absolutely is the case. China has too many interests tied throughout the world nowadays to so blatantly support 'the enemy', and besides, what is the real incentive for them to continue propping up the Kim regime? It's self-perpetuating in its existence; North Korea's arguably the most successful dictatorship there's ever been in modern history. However I am not convinced it has the appropriate academic institutions to further its own development of ballistic weaponry, or much technology period. If and when China completely pulls the plug, the DPRK will be completely potless.

It's like if someone suddenly gets cool in high school - ditch the weird friend.

[X3MAC]

QUOTE (ThePinkFloydSound @ Friday, Apr 13 2012, 12:57)

Kim flexing his muscles, eh?

There is no need for im to do that though. All of his people are dieing and he is building rockets! One of these days there people will wake up and kill all of there "leaders".

[autotheftisgrand]

QUOTE (X3MAC @ Tuesday, Apr 17 2012, 12:18)

QUOTE (ThePinkFloydSound @ Friday, Apr 13 2012, 12:57) Kim flexing his muscles, eh? There is no need for im to do that though. All of his people are dieing and he is building rockets! One of these days there people will wake up and kill all of there "leaders".

It's more for his ego than anything else really. He wants to show the whole world that is he is unpredictable as or maybe more than his predecessor.

As they say, the tyrants themselves create their own undoing. Happened through out history, it will happen again in this case. The question is who will overthrow this government? Will foreign interference on a large scale be needed or a civil war or uprising?

[X3MAC]

QUOTE (autotheftisgrand @ Tuesday, Apr 17 2012, 18:45)

QUOTE (X3MAC @ Tuesday, Apr 17 2012, 12:18) QUOTE (ThePinkFloydSound @ Friday, Apr 13 2012, 12:57) Kim flexing his muscles, eh? There is no need for im to do that though. All of his people are dieing and he is building rockets! One of these days there people will wake up and kill all of there "leaders". It's more for his ego than anything else really. He wants to show the whole world that is he is unpredictable as or maybe more than his predecessor. As they say, the tyrants themselves create their own undoing. Happened through out history, it will happen again in this case. The question is who will overthrow this government? Will foreign interference on a large scale be needed or a civil war or uprising?

He is all about fear. "Hey do this do that. If you dont your dead".

[canttakemyid]

QUOTE (gtafreak103 @ Friday, Apr 13 2012, 09:36)

Soon we're gonna get tired of the missle firing and send some US troops to go f*ck them up. A message saying that this is what happens.

They're not worth it. US would let them starve into submission before going to war.

[AtomicPunk]

QUOTE (sivispacem @ Monday, Apr 16 2012, 08:47)

QUOTE (AtomicPunk @ Sunday, Apr 15 2012, 23:04) The U.S. doesn't have any reason to attack North Korea. It is Iran that the zionists wanna destroy next. Why don't you take your anti-Semitic bullsh*t elsewhere, perhaps one of the conspiracy theory websites? I'm sure they'll be far more receptive to your thinly veiled racist propaganda.

Racist propoganda? Anti-semitic? Really? I don't hate jewish people. And it's no conspiracy--I can lay down proof all day about zionists. You need to educate yourself about it....unless ofcourse, you are one of them because I don't know anyone else who uses the term 'anti-semitic' other than zionists or zionist shills, neo-cons. If being anti-Israel makes me racist then so be it. If hating the people who own all of the banks, news medias, wall street makes me anti-semitic then good. I will accept that title with pride. Again, no propoganda here. That is a zionist tool, as is calling people anti-semitic.

You can sit here all day and talk about how muslim countries need to be bombed and all this other horsesh^t but the second anyone has a differing opinion, you attack. If you can't handle my opinions and facts then maybe you should go somewhere else with your kind and those places are getting fewer and fewer, incase you hadn't noticed;) You will never silence my opinions, EVER.

[sivispacem]

QUOTE (AtomicPunk @ Wednesday, Apr 18 2012, 15:52)

Racist propoganda? Anti-semitic? Really? I don't hate jewish people.

You see, I'm not so sure here. Lets look at this rationally.

QUOTE (AtomicPunk in another thread @ Wednesday, Apr 18 2012, 16:14)

Rense.com is a place you need to go if you want educated.

QUOTE (AtomicPunk in another thread @ Wednesday, Apr 18 2012, 16:14)

Zionism Data Page *EVERYTHING RIGHT HERE IN THIS LINK* http://www.rense.com/Datapages/zionismdata.htm

Ahh, Jeff Rense. Lets look into him a little further.

QUOTE (Wikipedia)

Holocaust denial

QUOTE (Rational Wiki on www.rense.com)

In addition to its hosting of just about every conspiracy theory... the site commonly features cross-postings and links to anti-Semitic and white supremacist hate sites

QUOTE (Rational Wiki)

Rense has featured notorious neo-Nazi crank Ernst Zündel on his show

QUOTE (Jeff Rense)

"Auschwitz was not an extermination center and that the story of mass killings in `gas chambers' is a myth."

QUOTE (Anti-Defamation League)

For example, the site regularly links to RealJewNews, an anti-Semitic Web site run by Milton Kapner, a rabidly anti-Semitic street preacher who goes by the name Brother Nathanael

QUOTE (Anti-Defamation League)

On its front page, Rense.com often features anti-Semitic images by the conspiratorial artist David Dees, including some that explicitly deny the Holocaust. The Web site also maintains an archive of Dees' images, many of which are explicitly anti-Semitic.

QUOTE (Above Top Secret @ on Rense)

We do not need the taint of anti-semitism, nor the gullible acceptance of blatant historical frauds, to be so adversely coloring the general public's perceptions of us.

Now, I'm a firm believer in the maxim "A man is defined by the company he keeps"; now, your argument is based almost entirely on the statements of an individual who is widely considered to be an anti-Semite; in fact, despite his protestations, has essentially outed himself as one, as well as giving a platform to various other anti-Semites, racists and neo-Nazi fringe lunatics. If you choose him as your source of information; nay, actively support him as an example of "truth" then I have no alternative other than to label you an anti-Semite and racist too.

And for a final laugh-

QUOTE (Rational Wiki)

Rense has also given a platform to white supremacist and Holocaust denier Ted Pike, who believes that Auschwitz never existed.

Really? Because I've been there and I can tell you that it does. In fact, some of my direct descendent died in the concentration camps and others who survived Dachau.

QUOTE (AtomicPunk @ Wednesday, Apr 18 2012, 15:52)

And it's no conspiracy--I can lay down proof all day about zionists.

Okay then, go ahead. Bear in mind the following, though-

QUOTE (A Dictionary)

Proof 1. The evidence or argument that compels the mind to accept an assertion as true. 2. a. The validation of a proposition by application of specified rules, as of induction or deduction, to assumptions, axioms, and sequentially derived conclusions. b. A statement or argument used in such a validation.

And

QUOTE (Another Dictionary)

Conspiracy Theory 1. A theory that explains an event or set of circumstances as the result of a secret plot by usually powerful conspirators

Before you formulate your answer. If you say you can "prove" the Zionism conspiracy theory (as you see above, it is, by definition, a conspiracy theory), then that proof must be
a) Compelling
b) Valid
c) Deductive
d) Based in the specific rules of currently accepted thinking; or otherwise be empirically and/or statistically evident or self-evident

Have fun.

QUOTE (AtomicPunk @ Wednesday, Apr 18 2012, 15:52)

You need to educate yourself about it...

Do I? Exactly what are you prior credentials to talk on Israeli or world history? Do you have any to speak of? Prey tell, exactly what gives you the right to accuse me of being uneducated without first making clear your own superior knowledge and intellect?

QUOTE (AtomicPunk @ Wednesday, Apr 18 2012, 15:52)

unless ofcourse, you are one of them because I don't know anyone else who uses the term 'anti-semitic' other than zionists or zionist shills, neo-cons.

If the crux of your argument is "everyone who has an opinion or viewpoint, no matter how educated or well supported by evidence, that's contrary to mine is a Zionist shill", then I cannot see you lasting very long on these forums. Let me pry into your mind a little- exactly why do you think this way? Have you been brainwashed by conspiratorial propaganda like so many sad, deluded and lost individual have in the past? Do you feel that you've been wronged by a world you've failed to contribute to in any meaningful way, but are too naive and headstrong to accept responsibility for your failures? That's where these delusional views generally come from- not from any desire for "truth" or "meaning" but in a contrived and entirely selfish attempt to absolve one of the responsibility of their own failure.

QUOTE (AtomicPunk @ Wednesday, Apr 18 2012, 15:52)

If being anti-Israel makes me racist then so be it.

It doesn't, but you've provided plenty of evidence to suggest you are.

QUOTE (AtomicPunk @ Wednesday, Apr 18 2012, 15:52)

If hating the people who own all of the banks, news medias, wall street makes me anti-semitic then good.

Prove irrefutably that they do, and then we can discuss this.

QUOTE (AtomicPunk @ Wednesday, Apr 18 2012, 15:52)

I will accept that title with pride.

Well, I'm glad we're in agreement then.

QUOTE (AtomicPunk @ Wednesday, Apr 18 2012, 15:52)

Again, no propoganda here.

Oh, really? Don't you think "I am right and everyone who doesn't believe me is an agent of Israel/Zionists/Neo-Cons" sounds rather contrived? Have you noticed the similarity between (to paraphrase you) "the markets and media are run entirely by Zionists, who are responsible for a large number of the world's ills" and much 1930s and 40s Nazi propaganda? Because the irony isn't lost on me- that is, the irony that you zealously leap to "the defence" of the Arab world with exactly the same vitriolic and anti-Semitic propaganda which caused the largest instance of genocide in modern history- including Arabs.

QUOTE (AtomicPunk @ Wednesday, Apr 18 2012, 15:52)

That is a zionist tool, as is calling people anti-semitic.

No, it isn't. You have, by association and by a combination of your previous comments, called yourself anti-Semitic. You just needed someone else to add it up for you.

QUOTE (AtomicPunk @ Wednesday, Apr 18 2012, 15:52)

You can sit here all day and talk about how muslim countries need to be bombed and all this other horsesh^t

Oh, and where have I done this then? I'd be really interested to see where I've claimed that Muslim countries need to be bombed, because that really is news to me. In fact, I think you'll struggle to find an individual who has been so outspoken and persistent in their defence of moderate and even conservative, political-but-non-Salafist Islam as myself. But, unlike the average conspiracy nut, I possess both the intellect to be able to come to my own, rational and informed judgements on issues without requiring a Rense or Jones with his tongue in my ear, as well as the good fortune to be well-schooled enough on such issues to argue my case effectively.

QUOTE (AtomicPunk @ Wednesday, Apr 18 2012, 15:52)

but the second anyone has a differing opinion, you attack.

Physician, heal thyself.

QUOTE (AtomicPunk @ Wednesday, Apr 18 2012, 15:52)

If you can't handle my opinions and facts then maybe you should go somewhere else

Oh, I can handle your opinions just fine. I've not seen any facts yet, though, so I can't speak for them. In fact, I'm rather revelling in the opportunity to give you a good proverbial savaging- it's been a while since there was a conspiracy theorist quite as deluded as yourself on the forums and it's always good for a laugh when they roll around. But I fear you won't be around on these forums for much longer, so I suppose I'll have to make do.

QUOTE (AtomicPunk @ Wednesday, Apr 18 2012, 15:52)

You will never silence my opinions, EVER.

Nor should I, but I can drown them out with rationality, experience, knowledge and common decency. I'm not a bigot or an anti-Semite, so I've got the moral high ground too.

This post has been edited by sivispacem on Wednesday, Apr 18 2012, 19:20

[Slamman]

THIS
http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/...t-to-ashes?lite

Is legitimately scary, if you ask me.

[Hitman843]

Perhaps in 20 years they will master the technology from the 60's.