[Runey]

QUOTE (El_Diablo @ Friday, May 18 2012, 01:40)

I still don't understand why people want to make Tebow a passer. he could be better than he is now, I'm sure, but I don't think he'll ever be a great starting quarterback. I think it's fairly evident that his most natural gifts are running, both in the open field and through tight spaces. if he's ever going to be great at a position, it might be running back or corner. they should convert him while he's PRIME and malleable and absorbing everything like the 6ft, 250lb beast he is. great hands, not a great arm. great legs, not great footwork in the pocket. great vision, not great poise under pressure. you could work on some of those things and maybe/eventually see above average results. or you could mold that raw talent and make it fit into the place it was naturally supposed to go. he seems like such an obvious offensive weapon. why anyone (including Tim) feels like he has to prove himself as JUST a quarterback is beyond me. it really feels counter-intuitive. but hey, with the Jets and Rex Ryan you honestly never know what could happen. they might start marching him out there on the occasional Special Teams or screen play as an open receiver just to see what happens. next thing you know he's lining up alongside Sanchez every other play making the defense crazy; is he simply gonna' block for someone? is he gonna' take a handoff? is he gonna' fake a block and open up on a passing route down the line? is he going to catch a lateral from Sanchez and then throw his own pass? is he going to get the ball from Sanchez, fake like he's going to run, and then lateral it back to Sanchez so Mark can make a pass? if the Jets were creative they could create a powerful offensive Ace-in-the-hole for a variety of standard and trick plays.

I agree with you 100%, he would be better off playing another position.

[Funktipus]

QUOTE (Runey @ Friday, May 18 2012, 06:22)

(You should see the hell I get for saying that from the Tebow fans I know. They get super pissed.)

I've debated the Tebow nut-huggers too. Their knowledge of football couldn't fill a thimble. They love the dude for things other than football.

[El_Diablo]

QUOTE (Funktipus @ Friday, May 18 2012, 05:25)

They love the dude for things other than football.

hmmm, I wonder what that could be...

[DOOM!]

People tend to forget he lead... yes.. lead the Broncos to the playoffs. He obviously isn't the great "traditional" QB you want, but he does get the job done.

[El_Diablo]

QUOTE (DOOM! @ Friday, May 18 2012, 17:25)

People tend to forget he lead... yes.. lead the Broncos to the playoffs.

to be fair, people also tend to forget that the Broncos play in a terrible division which is open to any contender pretty much any year.
their schedule hasn't been tough for at least a decade.

the Broncos had a marvelous run but it was far from miraculous in its own right.

[Funktipus]

More credit should go to Denver's defense for keeping them in games until Tebow found his groove late in the 4th quarter. The kid is a good football player/leader - I just don't think much of his QB skills. Can he get better? Elway didn't think so. He'd rather have an old Peyton Manning coming off neck surgery than Tebow.

[DOOM!]

The defense gets their credit, no doubt. But I didn't see Kyle Orton winning games for them. People hate on Tebow and I understand, he's over-hyped and over-analyzed but he gets the job done at QB. He lead the team into the playoffs and beat the Steelers in OT. I'm telling you guys now, Ryan and the Jets (fans/management) will throw Sanchez to the sharks and let Tebow start, once they do that they need to be running a option college offense for Tebow, and they will win games if their defense can step up to the plate like they've done in previous years.

[Funktipus]

QUOTE (DOOM! @ Saturday, May 19 2012, 18:34)

The defense gets their credit, no doubt. But I didn't see Kyle Orton winning games for them. People hate on Tebow and I understand, he's over-hyped and over-analyzed but he gets the job done at QB. He lead the team into the playoffs and beat the Steelers in OT. I'm telling you guys now, Ryan and the Jets (fans/management) will throw Sanchez to the sharks and let Tebow start, once they do that they need to be running a option college offense for Tebow, and they will win games if their defense can step up to the plate like they've done in previous years.

Dude, when they signed Tebow, I said it was a complete no-faith in Sanchez. Did you read Revis' quotes?

[interpolfan11]

QUOTE (DOOM! @ Saturday, May 19 2012, 10:34)

The defense gets their credit, no doubt. But I didn't see Kyle Orton winning games for them. People hate on Tebow and I understand, he's over-hyped and over-analyzed but he gets the job done at QB. He lead the team into the playoffs and beat the Steelers in OT. I'm telling you guys now, Ryan and the Jets (fans/management) will throw Sanchez to the sharks and let Tebow start, once they do that they need to be running a option college offense for Tebow, and they will win games if their defense can step up to the plate like they've done in previous years.

Tebow's "clutch play" and winning was a product of the Denver defense. Almost every QB in the NFL could have done what Tebow did, only it wouldn't have taken them until two minutes left in the game to finally come through for their team.

Let's just look at each game separately:

*Win vs Raiders: Denver defense gave up 24 points by the middle of the 3rd quarter, but Tebow rallied back and lifted his team to victory. Although it is worth noting that Tebow only threw one pass after the opening drive of the second half.

*Win vs Chiefs: Denver defense only gave up 10 points.

*Win vs Jets: Denver defense only gave up 13 points.

*Win vs Chargers: Denver only gave up 13 points and San Diego played like idiots all game long. Norv even decided to settle for a 53-yard field goal in OT for the win rather than driving to get better field position. This led to Prater's game-winning field goal.

*Win vs Vikings: The only game in which Tebow rose above being an awful NFL starting QB. I think this game may be the highlight of his career because he incredibly well when his defense played like crap.

*Win vs Bears: Denver defense only gave up 10 points and Tebow wouldn't have gotten the opportunity to win if Marion Barber didn't run out of bounds at the end of the game and if Barber didn't fumble in OT. This game was handed to Tebow.

*Loss vs Patriots: Denver defense played horribly and Tebow went down with a whimper.

*Loss vs Bills: See Patriots game.

*Loss vs Chiefs: Denver defense only gave up 7 points, but Tebow still allowed his team to lose.

*Win vs Steelers: Denver defense gave up 23 points, but what was lost in that game was the defensive stand that the Broncos defense made late in the fourth quarter to allow the game to reach overtime. With the Steelers at the Denver 45 yard line with less than 90 seconds to play, Broncos defensive end Elvis Dumervil jarred the ball loose as he sacked quarterback Ben Roethlisberger. The Steelers would recover the ball, but not before losing 10 yards on the play.

*Loss vs Patriots: Denver defense played horribly, and once again, Tebow went down with a whimper.

Overall, there were six occasions during the final 11 weeks of the season that the defense was able to hold their opponents to 15 points or less. During those six games the Broncos went 5-1, only a 7-3 loss in the season finale to Kansas City in which Tebow played his worst game of the season prevented that record from being perfect. Comparatively, when the defense has struggled, the Broncos have struggled mightily. Four times during that same 11 game span the Broncos defense surrendered 30 points or more and only once did Tim Tebow manage to bail out his defense.

And I haven't even mentioned that NFL defensive coordinators didn't know what to expect from Tebow in 2011. His impact was actually very similar to that of the Wildcat formation back in 2008. Since the wildcat formation has since struggled to work for any team that uses it, I would expect the same from Tebow if he ever gets the opportunity to start for the Jets.

[CajunSnipes]

I just hope My Falcons can score more than 2 points in a playoff game next year...

[DOOM!]

QUOTE (interpolfan11 @ Sunday, May 20 2012, 21:45)

QUOTE (DOOM! @ Saturday, May 19 2012, 10:34) The defense gets their credit, no doubt. But I didn't see Kyle Orton winning games for them. People hate on Tebow and I understand, he's over-hyped and over-analyzed but he gets the job done at QB. He lead the team into the playoffs and beat the Steelers in OT. I'm telling you guys now, Ryan and the Jets (fans/management) will throw Sanchez to the sharks and let Tebow start, once they do that they need to be running a option college offense for Tebow, and they will win games if their defense can step up to the plate like they've done in previous years. Tebow's "clutch play" and winning was a product of the Denver defense. Almost every QB in the NFL could have done what Tebow did, only it wouldn't have taken them until two minutes left in the game to finally come through for their team. Let's just look at each game separately: *Win vs Raiders: Denver defense gave up 24 points by the middle of the 3rd quarter, but Tebow rallied back and lifted his team to victory. Although it is worth noting that Tebow only threw one pass after the opening drive of the second half. *Win vs Chiefs: Denver defense only gave up 10 points. *Win vs Jets: Denver defense only gave up 13 points. *Win vs Chargers: Denver only gave up 13 points and San Diego played like idiots all game long. Norv even decided to settle for a 53-yard field goal in OT for the win rather than driving to get better field position. This led to Prater's game-winning field goal. *Win vs Vikings: The only game in which Tebow rose above being an awful NFL starting QB. I think this game may be the highlight of his career because he incredibly well when his defense played like crap. *Win vs Bears: Denver defense only gave up 10 points and Tebow wouldn't have gotten the opportunity to win if Marion Barber didn't run out of bounds at the end of the game and if Barber didn't fumble in OT. This game was handed to Tebow. *Loss vs Patriots: Denver defense played horribly and Tebow went down with a whimper. *Loss vs Bills: See Patriots game. *Loss vs Chiefs: Denver defense only gave up 7 points, but Tebow still allowed his team to lose. *Win vs Steelers: Denver defense gave up 23 points, but what was lost in that game was the defensive stand that the Broncos defense made late in the fourth quarter to allow the game to reach overtime. With the Steelers at the Denver 45 yard line with less than 90 seconds to play, Broncos defensive end Elvis Dumervil jarred the ball loose as he sacked quarterback Ben Roethlisberger. The Steelers would recover the ball, but not before losing 10 yards on the play. *Loss vs Patriots: Denver defense played horribly, and once again, Tebow went down with a whimper. Overall, there were six occasions during the final 11 weeks of the season that the defense was able to hold their opponents to 15 points or less. During those six games the Broncos went 5-1, only a 7-3 loss in the season finale to Kansas City in which Tebow played his worst game of the season prevented that record from being perfect. Comparatively, when the defense has struggled, the Broncos have struggled mightily. Four times during that same 11 game span the Broncos defense surrendered 30 points or more and only once did Tim Tebow manage to bail out his defense. And I haven't even mentioned that NFL defensive coordinators didn't know what to expect from Tebow in 2011. His impact was actually very similar to that of the Wildcat formation back in 2008. Since the wildcat formation has since struggled to work for any team that uses it, I would expect the same from Tebow if he ever gets the opportunity to start for the Jets.

Kyle Orton couldn't do it apparently. Bring out all the stats you want but it doesn't beat that he lead the broncos offense and could get into the playoffs.

[interpolfan11]

QUOTE (DOOM! @ Thursday, May 24 2012, 00:15)

QUOTE (interpolfan11 @ Sunday, May 20 2012, 21:45) QUOTE (DOOM! @ Saturday, May 19 2012, 10:34) The defense gets their credit, no doubt. But I didn't see Kyle Orton winning games for them. People hate on Tebow and I understand, he's over-hyped and over-analyzed but he gets the job done at QB. He lead the team into the playoffs and beat the Steelers in OT. I'm telling you guys now, Ryan and the Jets (fans/management) will throw Sanchez to the sharks and let Tebow start, once they do that they need to be running a option college offense for Tebow, and they will win games if their defense can step up to the plate like they've done in previous years. Tebow's "clutch play" and winning was a product of the Denver defense. Almost every QB in the NFL could have done what Tebow did, only it wouldn't have taken them until two minutes left in the game to finally come through for their team. Let's just look at each game separately: *Win vs Raiders: Denver defense gave up 24 points by the middle of the 3rd quarter, but Tebow rallied back and lifted his team to victory. Although it is worth noting that Tebow only threw one pass after the opening drive of the second half. *Win vs Chiefs: Denver defense only gave up 10 points. *Win vs Jets: Denver defense only gave up 13 points. *Win vs Chargers: Denver only gave up 13 points and San Diego played like idiots all game long. Norv even decided to settle for a 53-yard field goal in OT for the win rather than driving to get better field position. This led to Prater's game-winning field goal. *Win vs Vikings: The only game in which Tebow rose above being an awful NFL starting QB. I think this game may be the highlight of his career because he incredibly well when his defense played like crap. *Win vs Bears: Denver defense only gave up 10 points and Tebow wouldn't have gotten the opportunity to win if Marion Barber didn't run out of bounds at the end of the game and if Barber didn't fumble in OT. This game was handed to Tebow. *Loss vs Patriots: Denver defense played horribly and Tebow went down with a whimper. *Loss vs Bills: See Patriots game. *Loss vs Chiefs: Denver defense only gave up 7 points, but Tebow still allowed his team to lose. *Win vs Steelers: Denver defense gave up 23 points, but what was lost in that game was the defensive stand that the Broncos defense made late in the fourth quarter to allow the game to reach overtime. With the Steelers at the Denver 45 yard line with less than 90 seconds to play, Broncos defensive end Elvis Dumervil jarred the ball loose as he sacked quarterback Ben Roethlisberger. The Steelers would recover the ball, but not before losing 10 yards on the play. *Loss vs Patriots: Denver defense played horribly, and once again, Tebow went down with a whimper. Overall, there were six occasions during the final 11 weeks of the season that the defense was able to hold their opponents to 15 points or less. During those six games the Broncos went 5-1, only a 7-3 loss in the season finale to Kansas City in which Tebow played his worst game of the season prevented that record from being perfect. Comparatively, when the defense has struggled, the Broncos have struggled mightily. Four times during that same 11 game span the Broncos defense surrendered 30 points or more and only once did Tim Tebow manage to bail out his defense. And I haven't even mentioned that NFL defensive coordinators didn't know what to expect from Tebow in 2011. His impact was actually very similar to that of the Wildcat formation back in 2008. Since the wildcat formation has since struggled to work for any team that uses it, I would expect the same from Tebow if he ever gets the opportunity to start for the Jets. Kyle Orton couldn't do it apparently. Bring out all the stats you want but it doesn't beat that he lead the broncos offense and could get into the playoffs.

But Denver's defense played like sh*t under Kyle Orton. That's the difference.

Your point relates back to my first Tebow post. Denver's defense carried Tebow most of the time, and anytime that they didn't carry him, Tebow failed to respond. (Minnesota game notwithstanding)

[Funktipus]

Hakeem Nicks is out for at least 12 weeks with a broken bone in his foot - NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!

[AmyJones]

Jay Cutlers throwing is looking worse and worse and the sad part is i'm seeing this in a highlight video.

[DOOM!]

QUOTE (interpolfan11 @ Friday, May 25 2012, 00:36)

QUOTE (DOOM! @ Thursday, May 24 2012, 00:15) QUOTE (interpolfan11 @ Sunday, May 20 2012, 21:45) QUOTE (DOOM! @ Saturday, May 19 2012, 10:34) The defense gets their credit, no doubt. But I didn't see Kyle Orton winning games for them. People hate on Tebow and I understand, he's over-hyped and over-analyzed but he gets the job done at QB. He lead the team into the playoffs and beat the Steelers in OT. I'm telling you guys now, Ryan and the Jets (fans/management) will throw Sanchez to the sharks and let Tebow start, once they do that they need to be running a option college offense for Tebow, and they will win games if their defense can step up to the plate like they've done in previous years. Tebow's "clutch play" and winning was a product of the Denver defense. Almost every QB in the NFL could have done what Tebow did, only it wouldn't have taken them until two minutes left in the game to finally come through for their team. Let's just look at each game separately: *Win vs Raiders: Denver defense gave up 24 points by the middle of the 3rd quarter, but Tebow rallied back and lifted his team to victory. Although it is worth noting that Tebow only threw one pass after the opening drive of the second half. *Win vs Chiefs: Denver defense only gave up 10 points. *Win vs Jets: Denver defense only gave up 13 points. *Win vs Chargers: Denver only gave up 13 points and San Diego played like idiots all game long. Norv even decided to settle for a 53-yard field goal in OT for the win rather than driving to get better field position. This led to Prater's game-winning field goal. *Win vs Vikings: The only game in which Tebow rose above being an awful NFL starting QB. I think this game may be the highlight of his career because he incredibly well when his defense played like crap. *Win vs Bears: Denver defense only gave up 10 points and Tebow wouldn't have gotten the opportunity to win if Marion Barber didn't run out of bounds at the end of the game and if Barber didn't fumble in OT. This game was handed to Tebow. *Loss vs Patriots: Denver defense played horribly and Tebow went down with a whimper. *Loss vs Bills: See Patriots game. *Loss vs Chiefs: Denver defense only gave up 7 points, but Tebow still allowed his team to lose. *Win vs Steelers: Denver defense gave up 23 points, but what was lost in that game was the defensive stand that the Broncos defense made late in the fourth quarter to allow the game to reach overtime. With the Steelers at the Denver 45 yard line with less than 90 seconds to play, Broncos defensive end Elvis Dumervil jarred the ball loose as he sacked quarterback Ben Roethlisberger. The Steelers would recover the ball, but not before losing 10 yards on the play. *Loss vs Patriots: Denver defense played horribly, and once again, Tebow went down with a whimper. Overall, there were six occasions during the final 11 weeks of the season that the defense was able to hold their opponents to 15 points or less. During those six games the Broncos went 5-1, only a 7-3 loss in the season finale to Kansas City in which Tebow played his worst game of the season prevented that record from being perfect. Comparatively, when the defense has struggled, the Broncos have struggled mightily. Four times during that same 11 game span the Broncos defense surrendered 30 points or more and only once did Tim Tebow manage to bail out his defense. And I haven't even mentioned that NFL defensive coordinators didn't know what to expect from Tebow in 2011. His impact was actually very similar to that of the Wildcat formation back in 2008. Since the wildcat formation has since struggled to work for any team that uses it, I would expect the same from Tebow if he ever gets the opportunity to start for the Jets. Kyle Orton couldn't do it apparently. Bring out all the stats you want but it doesn't beat that he lead the broncos offense and could get into the playoffs. But Denver's defense played like sh*t under Kyle Orton. That's the difference. Your point relates back to my first Tebow post. Denver's defense carried Tebow most of the time, and anytime that they didn't carry him, Tebow failed to respond. (Minnesota game notwithstanding)

Denver's defense got their credit though, that's the funny part. I find it extremely humors that people believe Orton could've won games in the fashion Tebow did.

Jay Cutler has Brandon Marshall again so that's the upside to that. They had some great chemistry in Denver, if they can re-light that in Chicago, it should be some good seasons to come for Bears fans.

[interpolfan11]

QUOTE (DOOM! @ Saturday, Jun 16 2012, 10:41)

Denver's defense got their credit though, that's the funny part. I find it extremely humors that people believe Orton could've won games in the fashion Tebow did.

Orton could have easily won the games that Tebow won last year. I actually think he would have won them in a more dominant fashion, rather than waiting until the final two minutes of a game to finally score.

[DOOM!]

That's funny, really. I hate Tebow, I really do, but the guy doesn't get credit when credit was do months ago. I think it's because he just isn't the typical NFL quarterback or rather not even a quarterback at all. Was Orton the same guy that went 6-1 the year before and completely blow that off?..

Please don't dare compare a playoff winless Orton to Tebow. Sorry...

This post has been edited by DOOM! on Monday, Jun 18 2012, 06:51

[Xboxless]

Anyways, let's not talk about "He who shall not be talked about for the 500 millionth time because all anybody ever talks about is him and I am really f*cking tired of it."


Who is the most promising player that hasn't broken out yet on your team? It can be a rookie or whatever.f
The Texans used to have a pretty good receiving core when Kevin Walter was at his best but now it is down to Andre, a almost done Kevin and a bunch of no NFL catch rookies or second year players, one of our second year players with a lot of promise is LeStar Jean.

He had been wowing us in last years OTA's and TC until he got hurt in the Pre-Season, now he is doing it again taking the number one spot while Andre sits out after he got a knee scoping surgery. He has good size and has had an entire year to learn the offense, hopefully he can pick up Jacoby Jones receiving slack (not that hard) or more and that will allow our two drafted rookie receivers (Keshawn Martin and Devier Posey) to sit back.

[Funktipus]

Tomlinson retires after 11 years. Definitely a first-ballot HOFamer.

[El_Diablo]

damn shame that he never got any rings.

he should probably have at least 2 with the numbers he put up.