[boogernut]

QUOTE (Mokrie Dela @ Thursday, Mar 1 2012, 16:53)

no, then yes. COD will outsell GTA, but six months later, gTA will still be selling. A year later GTA will over take that one COD title when the other CODs are out. It seems to me that francised games, COD, Fifa etc, sell massively in the first few months, but after about half a year no one really buys them. GTA IV for example is still a popular sale item today. COD MW (2) Doesn't seem to be.

Yes, this sounds the most likely. I really don't see GTA outselling COD on the release date/soon after the release date. It will be time that will eventually give GTA the chance to have a larger total. But by then a new COD will be out, it will sell big again, continuing the vicious cycle. Which is perfect for COD because they are selling a lot (maybe not the most, but more than enough) very frequently. I really don't see GTA having the draw or crowd that COD does. COD is huge because of its multiplayer. That brings in a massive crowd, many of whom end up buying it because they know there is a ton of multiplayer participation. COD is more of a generic first person shooter. GTA is very specific. Therefore, it ends up with a smaller, but more hardcore crowd. Yes, of course GTA is popular overall, but I don't think it has the audience that COD does because GTA is more specific and caters to a particular interest whereas COD is more likely to seem generic and interest anyone who wants to shoot a gun in video games and in multiplayer. Furthermore, GTA has crap multiplayer (at least so far) so you lose a number of people there.... any additional feature, particularly multiplayer because it can last forever, adds more buyers. The GTA single player is great, it has a hardcore audience, but by not being more generic and by not having a good mutliplayer, GTA loses a chunk of people who would consider buying it.

[Psychotic Mind]

If it comes out in 2013, I think by then it'll lose alot of steam seeing there are alot of great games expected this year. My opinon is in the longrun of course it'll sell more copies, but is quickly losing interest from alot of folks due to the lack of information.

[Sean5]

QUOTE (gionascm2 @ Thursday, Mar 1 2012, 16:43)

That's like comparing McDonalds to a fancy Bistro! More and more people are aware of GTA's presence. Everybody loves GTA except those f*ckfaces that think It's too violent, or they do play it but they never kill people. My point is, people are going to pick Quality over Quantity.

are you kidding me? people want quality over quantity? Pfft.

[Irviding]

QUOTE (Mokrie Dela @ Thursday, Mar 1 2012, 11:53)

no, then yes. COD will outsell GTA, but six months later, gTA will still be selling. A year later GTA will over take that one COD title when the other CODs are out. It seems to me that francised games, COD, Fifa etc, sell massively in the first few months, but after about half a year no one really buys them. GTA IV for example is still a popular sale item today. COD MW (2) Doesn't seem to be.

This pretty much sums it up. COD is more than likely going to sell more at first.

[spongeboob911]

Doubtful. CoD is a huge trend at the moment (as much as I dislike CoD); people seem to be ignoring the quality of any other game game.
Plus, I don't think R* cares much about "competing" against that genre. R*'s story telling are deeper and much more in depth than CoD.

This post has been edited by spongeboob911 on Monday, May 7 2012, 21:04

[SantAntoni-DC]

No, unfortunately.
At first I tought it could be a tie or GTA V could outsell COD, but since i saw the trailer of BO2 and heard all the changes there will be, i think COD would still win.
But i really don´t care who will win, at the end of the day i´m still getting GTA V, and even BO2, if I still have some money to spare.

[STR33TDR1FT3R]

I'm sure it will outsell Call of Duty. In my opinion, Call of Duty is an exceptional game and it has a lot of loyal fans, but GTA has been around since the ancient Egyptians growing it's audience over the years and now with GTA V, I have faith that it will make CoD fans lonely.

[boogernut]

Actually, now that I am thinking about it, I honestly think GTA is just going to slowly fade out a bit. Yes, it is a big series, but there really are so many other great games out there now. In the past, even just a few years ago, video games weren't as big as they are now. And there was no where near as many major hits. GTA may always have a historical value to it because it started out as a very old game, but it is going to slowly just become one of many huge games. I'm sure it will keep up selling well for the next 10-20 years (assuming they keep making new versions of it for that long), but it won't be as big relative to other games as it used to be since games are getting better, more plentiful, and there are so many big hits now (which will just increase with the years going by).

To complement this idea, how many people honestly have a GTA game as their number 1 game? I personally am one of those people who has difficulty narrowing down to one for a category (whether movies music tv or games etc.), but there are enough people who can do this. And if we take their opinions, it is not going to be as much as you think, especially since the most recent version of the game (IV) (which usually is the most representative of a series because it is the most current) didn't seem to fare too well with the video game masses overall.

And for the people who think you could ask GTA forums to get an idea of what the overall population's favorite video game is...... I hope enough of you are smart enough/have even just a bit of research or educational knowledge to know that GTA forums is a very biased sample. And I truly believe, the video game masses as a whole will not have GTA as their named favorite game. Potentially not even in the top 3-5 spots. It's big, I love it, but it isn't what it used to be for video games.

[interpolfan11]

QUOTE (boogernut @ Monday, May 7 2012, 15:16)

Actually, now that I am thinking about it, I honestly think GTA is just going to slowly fade out a bit. Yes, it is a big series, but there really are so many other great games out there now. In the past, even just a few years ago, video games weren't as big as they are now. And there was no where near as many major hits. GTA may always have a historical value to it because it started out as a very old game, but it is going to slowly just become one of many huge games. I'm sure it will keep up selling well for the next 10-20 years (assuming they keep making new versions of it for that long), but it won't be as big relative to other games as it used to be since games are getting better, more plentiful, and there are so many big hits now (which will just increase with the years going by). To complement this idea, how many people honestly have a GTA game as their number 1 game? I personally am one of those people who has difficulty narrowing down to one for a category (whether movies music tv or games etc.), but there are enough people who can do this. And if we take their opinions, it is not going to be as much as you think, especially since the most recent version of the game (IV) (which usually is the most representative of a series because it is the most current) didn't seem to fare too well with the video game masses overall. And for the people who think you could ask GTA forums to get an idea of what the overall population's favorite video game is...... I hope enough of you are smart enough/have even just a bit of research or educational knowledge to know that GTA forums is a very biased sample. And I truly believe, the video game masses as a whole will not have GTA as their named favorite game. Potentially not even in the top 3-5 spots. It's big, I love it, but it isn't what it used to be for video games.

Frankly, the only reason GTA is not as popular as it used to be relates to the fact that R* hasn't released a new iteration in four years. As I'm sure you already know, IV broke the all-time records for single-day and one-week entertainment industry sales when it was released.

And I know what the pundits' arguments will be, "BUT COD BROKE THAT RECORD AND WILL CRUSH GTA IF THEY'RE RELEASED IN THE SAME YEAR!!!!". But it was only inevitable for IV's record to be broken. The video game industry grows larger and larger every year. There are more gamers than ever. This leads to the sales records being broken literally every year. GTA hasn't had the opportunity to cash in on that aspect of the industry since 2008, and thus they are no longer the record holder.

Records are made to be broken, and with video game sales, it seems to have happened annually as of recently. Being that IV is a former record holder, there is no reason why V can't do the same.

[Dr Kain]

No, but only because Call of Duty is a children's game, GTA is not.

[Shreddy Krueger]

Who gives a sh*t which sells more? I'll have a copy of GTA, I won't ever buy a COD game. I'll be happy playing the newest GTA and I'll leave it up to industry analysts and R* sales department to worry about competition.

[ChillyPhilly]

Grand Theft Auto is THE series to be reckoned with.

[Dick Valor]

QUOTE (boogernut @ Monday, May 7 2012, 23:16)

Actually, now that I am thinking about it, I honestly think GTA is just going to slowly fade out a bit. Yes, it is a big series, but there really are so many other great games out there now. In the past, even just a few years ago, video games weren't as big as they are now. And there was no where near as many major hits. GTA may always have a historical value to it because it started out as a very old game, but it is going to slowly just become one of many huge games. I'm sure it will keep up selling well for the next 10-20 years (assuming they keep making new versions of it for that long), but it won't be as big relative to other games as it used to be since games are getting better, more plentiful, and there are so many big hits now (which will just increase with the years going by). To complement this idea, how many people honestly have a GTA game as their number 1 game? I personally am one of those people who has difficulty narrowing down to one for a category (whether movies music tv or games etc.), but there are enough people who can do this. And if we take their opinions, it is not going to be as much as you think, especially since the most recent version of the game (IV) (which usually is the most representative of a series because it is the most current) didn't seem to fare too well with the video game masses overall. And for the people who think you could ask GTA forums to get an idea of what the overall population's favorite video game is...... I hope enough of you are smart enough/have even just a bit of research or educational knowledge to know that GTA forums is a very biased sample. And I truly believe, the video game masses as a whole will not have GTA as their named favorite game. Potentially not even in the top 3-5 spots. It's big, I love it, but it isn't what it used to be for video games.

Wtf are you smoking? I wish there were other games out there as good as GTA... I certainly wouldn't be on this forum salivating like a rabid dog over V if there was. IV is my favorite game; RDR is a close second; only V can top them. Given enough time and word of mouth, I think V will sell at least 20 million copies... which is much more than any of those "great games" out there are selling (CoD being the sole exception). GTA will always have a distinctive appeal to the masses so long as R* keeps providing believable open world experiences based on real world spaces.

[Miamivicecity]

QUOTE (Dick Valor @ Tuesday, May 8 2012, 20:34)

QUOTE (boogernut @ Monday, May 7 2012, 23:16) Actually, now that I am thinking about it, I honestly think GTA is just going to slowly fade out a bit. Yes, it is a big series, but there really are so many other great games out there now. In the past, even just a few years ago, video games weren't as big as they are now. And there was no where near as many major hits. GTA may always have a historical value to it because it started out as a very old game, but it is going to slowly just become one of many huge games. I'm sure it will keep up selling well for the next 10-20 years (assuming they keep making new versions of it for that long), but it won't be as big relative to other games as it used to be since games are getting better, more plentiful, and there are so many big hits now (which will just increase with the years going by). To complement this idea, how many people honestly have a GTA game as their number 1 game? I personally am one of those people who has difficulty narrowing down to one for a category (whether movies music tv or games etc.), but there are enough people who can do this. And if we take their opinions, it is not going to be as much as you think, especially since the most recent version of the game (IV) (which usually is the most representative of a series because it is the most current) didn't seem to fare too well with the video game masses overall. And for the people who think you could ask GTA forums to get an idea of what the overall population's favorite video game is...... I hope enough of you are smart enough/have even just a bit of research or educational knowledge to know that GTA forums is a very biased sample. And I truly believe, the video game masses as a whole will not have GTA as their named favorite game. Potentially not even in the top 3-5 spots. It's big, I love it, but it isn't what it used to be for video games. Wtf are you smoking? I wish there were other games out there as good as GTA... I certainly wouldn't be on this forum salivating like a rabid dog over V if there was. IV is my favorite game; RDR is a close second; only V can top them. Given enough time and word of mouth, I think V will sell at least 20 million copies... which is much more than any of those "great games" out there are selling (CoD being the sole exception). GTA will always have a distinctive appeal to the masses so long as R* keeps providing believable open world experiences based on real world spaces.

I agree with this. I know this is biased being on a GTA forum, but although I've played some good games this gen most are generally forgettable IMO. My life circumstances have change since I was a kid, but the GTA series still gets me pumped even if I don't get as much time to play video games.

The only games coming out this year besides GTA V I'm going to get because I truly want are MP3 and ACIII. Nothing else interests me. That's why I don't care if the new COD outsells GTA V 10 to 1.

[HeNDo6750]

Both GTA and Uncharted series will outsell CoD all of the time.

Between GTA SA and IV = 4 years of groundbreaking and outstanding quality work
Between GTA IV and V = 4 years of outstanding and groundbreaking quality work

Between Uncharted 1 and 2 = 2 years of outstanding and groundbreaking quality work
Between Uncharted 2 and 3 = Again of 2 years of outstanding and groundbreaking quality work

With CoD however, Activision rushes every CoD title without taking the time and the care of their games only to satisfy their impatient fans which are people who aren't allowed to have GTA as there parents are strict, yet CoD has the most violence compared to GTA and also the most less innovated story etc ever to exist in the gaming industry in years. Also 1 year between the same game is not enough. So if CoD fans can't wait for more than a year of the same repeated CoD title, then they should stop saying BS about CoD will outsell everything and also saying that CoD is way better than any other game out there, which it is most definately not.

Now yes R* has been quiet about GTA V, but in a way i'm glad R* is taking their time, but also annoyed at the same time of the lack of info

This post has been edited by HeNDo6750 on Tuesday, May 8 2012, 10:58

[finn4life]

QUOTE (HeNDo6750 @ Tuesday, May 8 2012, 21:54)

Both GTA and Uncharted series will outsell CoD all of the time. Between GTA SA and IV = 4 years of groundbreaking and outstanding quality work Between GTA IV and V = 4 years of outstanding and groundbreaking quality work Between Uncharted 1 and 2 = 2 years of outstanding and groundbreaking quality work Between Uncharted 2 and 3 = Again of 2 years of outstanding and groundbreaking quality work With CoD however, Activision rushes every CoD title without taking the time and the care of their games only to satisfy their impatient fans which are people who aren't allowed to have GTA as there parents are strict, yet CoD has the most violence compared to GTA and also the most less innovated story etc ever to exist in the gaming industry in years. Also 1 year between the same game is not enough. So if CoD fans can't wait for more than a year of the same repeated CoD title, then they should stop saying BS about CoD will outsell everything and also saying that CoD is way better than any other game out there, which it is most definately not. Now yes R* has been quiet about GTA V, but in a way i'm glad R* is taking their time, but also annoyed at the same time of the lack of info

Time between COD is one year each, but different developers are at work for each yearly series so really it is two years per game.
But it doesn't seem like they make use of those two years at all.

[Money Over Bullshit]

I think a lot of people were disappointed with Modern Warfare 3 and given that Black Ops 2 is set in the future shows that they are getting desperate to claw back a few fans. Needless to say it won't top the past two offerings. If anything the GTA fanbase has gone up since GTA IV so I'm gonna say yes it can

[HeNDo6750]

QUOTE (Money Over Bullshit @ Tuesday, May 8 2012, 13:28)

I think a lot of people were disappointed with Modern Warfare 3 and given that Black Ops 2 is set in the future shows that they are getting desperate to claw back a few fans. Needless to say it won't top the past two offerings. If anything the GTA fanbase has gone up since GTA IV so I'm gonna say yes it can

And putting horses in a war game is only set for disaster for Activision sales and animal rights as well. Now horses and animals in Red Dead Redemption fine but not in CoD

[mirmihir]

Yes, it can and it will.

[dc0322]

I voted yes, and think V could outsell Black Ops 2 if only because it's been so long since GTA IV and EFLC. The GTA fanbase is still alive and strong, and my thought is that it has the potential to win in sales especially if both are released before the holday season this year. Even if both are released around the same timeframe, say between November (when BO2 is scheduled to come out) and March 2013, I think GTA V takes the cake on a game vs game basis. However, on the whole over the next say 2-3 years, the CoD series between both developers will most likely outsell GTA V, unfortunately.

Note that personally, I plan to buy both V and BO2.. But if I had to choose, I'd pick V without a doubt.