[Rown]

QUOTE (sivispacem)

Thankfully, most surveys put the support for Scotish indedpndence around 30%. There really isn't much appetite for it amongs educated or rational people.

30% might not be a majority... but that's pretty high. Hell it made the news in the states when Vermont got 13%. What are the undecided numbers in these polls? Or is it not an option?

Sorry to hear the face of the movement is apparently a dick, though.

Rown

[sivispacem]

QUOTE (Rown @ Tuesday, Apr 3 2012, 19:30)

QUOTE (sivispacem) Thankfully, most surveys put the support for Scotish indedpndence around 30%. There really isn't much appetite for it amongs educated or rational people. 30% might not be a majority... but that's pretty high. Hell it made the news in the states when Vermont got 13%. What are the undecided numbers in these polls? Or is it not an option? Sorry to hear the face of the movement is apparently a dick, though. Rown

Most people tend to have a quite polar view on it. The support has fluctuated between low 10s and low 30s over the last couple of years, with about 5-15% unsure and the rest set against. Most of the evidence suggests that there's a majority who are set against the idea completely. Now, the issue of additional powers for Scotland, that's an entirely different question.

[Irviding]

QUOTE (sivispacem @ Tuesday, Apr 3 2012, 13:41)

QUOTE (Rown @ Tuesday, Apr 3 2012, 19:30) QUOTE (sivispacem) Thankfully, most surveys put the support for Scotish indedpndence around 30%. There really isn't much appetite for it amongs educated or rational people. 30% might not be a majority... but that's pretty high. Hell it made the news in the states when Vermont got 13%. What are the undecided numbers in these polls? Or is it not an option? Sorry to hear the face of the movement is apparently a dick, though. Rown Most people tend to have a quite polar view on it. The support has fluctuated between low 10s and low 30s over the last couple of years, with about 5-15% unsure and the rest set against. Most of the evidence suggests that there's a majority who are set against the idea completely. Now, the issue of additional powers for Scotland, that's an entirely different question.

How many more powers could they possibly get? To be honest I think if this devolution never started in the first place and it continued with Scottish MPs in Parliament (don't quote me on this but I've heard from British people that Scots have disproportionately greater representation than the English) and that's it, talks of independence wouldn't even be happening.

[nic_23]

i know a few scottish people and there views are that we should stick together as united kingdom and i agree.

[Jack.]

But what about all the Rangers fans? Since im a Celt & Real Scot, Then I'm definitely a proud supporter of this! Also Free Wales!


Trade the blue for the green!

This post has been edited by Jack. on Friday, May 25 2012, 22:53

[nightwalker83]

@ Jack,

It's more like free everyone from English control.

QUOTE (AlexGTAGamer @ Monday, Feb 27 2012, 02:27)

I don't know where I stand on this debate. The only thing that I think about constantly is the other things that independence may affect. The big one being the Union Flag, what will that look like if Scotland were to gain independence? Something like this maybe? Would Wales finally get a piece on the flag if the Scottish part were to be removed?

Hang on, wouldn't just be the English flag if Scotland became independent? I thought the big "X" was part of the Scottish flag?

[AlexGTAGamer]

QUOTE (nightwalker83 @ Saturday, May 26 2012, 00:04)

Hang on, wouldn't just be the English flag if Scotland became independent? I thought the big "X" was part of the Scottish flag?

The blue and white x in the Union Flag is from St Andrew's Cross, and the red x is from St. Patrick's Cross.

Broken down:

[nightwalker83]

QUOTE (AlexGTAGamer @ Saturday, May 26 2012, 09:54)

QUOTE (nightwalker83 @ Saturday, May 26 2012, 00:04) Hang on, wouldn't just be the English flag if Scotland became independent? I thought the big "X" was part of the Scottish flag? The blue and white x in the Union Flag is from St Andrew's Cross, and the red x is from St. Patrick's Cross. Broken down:

Ah ok! Thanks.

[DarrinPA]

Although I haven't followed this story closely I do feel as if it's my civic duty as an American to give my opinion in how forgein countries should be run. I personally would like to see it becoming independent. It's become too ingrained into society that everybody needs somebody else's help when it comes to countries and governments. I know as an american that doesn't sound right, but even america "owns" many countries that we don't really have any reason to. If the Scottish think they can go it alone, more power to you. If it doesn't work, atleast you tried. After all - it is YOUR country, you should be free to do want you want as long as it doesn't interfer with other countries.

[sivispacem]

QUOTE (DarrinPA @ Saturday, May 26 2012, 03:20)

If the Scottish think they can go it alone, more power to you. If it doesn't work, atleast you tried. After all - it is YOUR country, you should be free to do want you want as long as it doesn't interfer with other countries.

Two points I'd like to add in here- the vast majority of Scots currently want to stay in the union, and you can't split from a union, make a hash of being your own country and come crawling back. Once you've gone, you have gone for good.

[nightwalker83]

QUOTE (DarrinPA @ Saturday, May 26 2012, 12:50)

Although I haven't followed this story closely I do feel as if it's my civic duty as an American to give my opinion in how forgein countries should be run.

It sound more and more like the story of two dictatorships.

[Jack.]

Thats how it should be, blue for Scotland, Green For IRL. and Dragon for wales. Lets forget England

[sivispacem]

Why have you made the Northern Ireland part of the flag green? Are you incapable of identifying between the Republic and the North?

[Jack.]

QUOTE (sivispacem @ Saturday, May 26 2012, 21:37)

Why have you made the Northern Ireland part of the flag green? Are you incapable of identifying between the Republic and the North?

f*ck Northern Ireland, For me it's Scotland, Wales and Ireland. Just! Ireland!

[Typhus]

QUOTE (Jack. @ Saturday, May 26 2012, 22:00)

QUOTE (sivispacem @ Saturday, May 26 2012, 21:37) Why have you made the Northern Ireland part of the flag green? Are you incapable of identifying between the Republic and the North? f*ck Northern Ireland, For me it's Scotland, Wales and Ireland. Just! Ireland!

And why do you say that? It wouldn't be because you're just another Anglophobe, would it?

[Robinski]

QUOTE (Jack. @ Saturday, May 26 2012, 22:00)

QUOTE (sivispacem @ Saturday, May 26 2012, 21:37) Why have you made the Northern Ireland part of the flag green? Are you incapable of identifying between the Republic and the North? f*ck Northern Ireland, For me it's Scotland, Wales and Ireland. Just! Ireland!

So your response to being wrong is simply to reject reality. Right.

[Jack.]

QUOTE (Typhus @ Saturday, May 26 2012, 22:06)

QUOTE (Jack. @ Saturday, May 26 2012, 22:00) QUOTE (sivispacem @ Saturday, May 26 2012, 21:37) Why have you made the Northern Ireland part of the flag green? Are you incapable of identifying between the Republic and the North? f*ck Northern Ireland, For me it's Scotland, Wales and Ireland. Just! Ireland! And why do you say that? It wouldn't be because you're just another Anglophobe, would it?

Anglophobe? Not at all. Any way, Northen Ireland's not apart of England now is it? If your reffering to the Flag I made which I have decided to take England out of then go ahead and start this Conversation in a PM.

[nightwalker83]

QUOTE (sivispacem @ Sunday, May 27 2012, 08:07)

Why have you made the Northern Ireland part of the flag green? Are you incapable of identifying between the Republic and the North?

Interesting I'm going to google this.

Edit:

This interesting! It also explains more about what I asked above.

This post has been edited by nightwalker83 on Sunday, May 27 2012, 00:37

[AlexGTAGamer]

I think that this flag could be a good possible idea for the new Union Flag should Scotland part ways (image is very large so I've provided the link instead):
http://internationaltimes.it/wp-content/up...Union-Jack1.jpg

St George's Cross remains, as does St Patrick's Cross (though the left corner of the x has been removed to fit Y Ddraig Goch), and green along the bottom for Wales and NI, if they'd like for so.

[sivispacem]

QUOTE (nightwalker83 @ Sunday, May 27 2012, 01:25)

QUOTE (sivispacem @ Sunday, May 27 2012, 08:07) Why have you made the Northern Ireland part of the flag green? Are you incapable of identifying between the Republic and the North? Interesting I'm going to google this. Edit: This interesting! It also explains more about what I asked above.

That is interesting- however, I don't think it's realistic to use either the green harp or the Irish tricolour to represent Northern Ireland as they only represent the wishes of the Nationalist minority rather than the unionist majority. Hence why I'm rather inclined to agree with Robinski's earlier post in response to Jack. I do find it very ironic that he appears to support the idea of the entirety of Ireland being in the union (against the wishes of basically everyone in the Republic) but by the same token decides to ignore England. That or he's living in some bizarre alternate reality.