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| QUOTE (radioman @ Sunday, Mar 4 2012, 10:27) | | @SyphonPayne , that video you posted does not look very smooth to me-I noticed several times where the game stutters/lags-and in the beginning where you started the mission, it did not show you touching the mission start point-that lagged over. Also, since I saw NO cutscenes for the mission, I take it you have an illegal game? Also, another thing that does not make it believable, is you failed to show your settings in the video...However, since there was so much stuttering/lagging in the video, I can tell you had the settings too high for the specs.? Just a heads up. |
What are you talking about? If it's lagging for you, then your comp can't play YouTube vids. There is NO lag in that video, I verified it on several machines. Notice that you are the only one claiming that it is not smooth? As for the "mission start point that lagged over," I assume you are talking about the hotdog stand glitch. Old news buddy, happens a lot. As for no cutscenes, perhaps you've never heard of the left mouse button? Yeah. Clicking that button skips cutscenes. If you look farther into the video, hell half of the video is cutscenes. Did you not see that I was signed into LIVE via GFWL? How many people with illegal copies can do that? I didn't show the settings because I already stated what my settings are. If you think that my rig can't handle this game, you're either a troll or just ignorant. This post has been edited by SyphonPayne on Sunday, Mar 4 2012, 20:04
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| QUOTE | | I didn't show the settings because I already stated what my settings are. If you think that my rig can't handle this game, you're either a troll or just ignorant. |
Well, it would have been more believable to show the settings, as anyone can post what they want, but unless it is backed up by proof, it is not really believable, imo. Obviously that second part is proven wrong, as a moderator has said otherwise on that one- | QUOTE | | Seriously---- Radioman is probably the most knowledgeable member who is active.. |
| QUOTE | | If it's lagging for you... |
You're right, it IS NOT lagging for me, as it is not my video, that was your video of your game...No offence.. | QUOTE | | As for no cutscenes, perhaps you've never heard of the left mouse button? Yeah. Clicking that button skips cutscenes. |
Yes, I know you can skip cutscenes, however, when doing a video, it is best to leave it in, so it does not look suspicious and like you edited the contents/video itself...Just a friendly heads up. | QUOTE | | Did you not see that I was signed into LIVE via GFWL? How many people with illegal copies can do that? |
As a Certified Law Enforcement Officer, you never can tell/put anything past what people can do now a days, so all options are open until proven otherwise. | QUOTE | | As for the "mission start point that lagged over," I assume you are talking about the hotdog stand glitch. Old news buddy, happens a lot |
That is not a certified glitch, as I have been playing the game on the PS3 and 360 and PC since release, and have never experienced such a glitch-also, it is not in the Pinned topic that covers that kind of stuff, so it is not a glitch-just on your end evidently?
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I already told you, didn't put in the settings because I already said what they were. I said everything maxed out except the sliders. Traffic slider maxed. Anyone who plays GTA IV PC and watches that video can believe it. It's not like I could pass off low settings as high. Hell, next time I get a chance, I'll record a vid of the settings, but really, trolls aren't worth my time, so I may or may not do it.
I don't care how knowledgeable some random moderator claimed you to be, doesn't mean you know everything.
What I'm saying is your YouTube VIDEO PLAYBACK is LAGGING if you're seeing lag. My computers (and everyone else in this thread for that matter) are playing the video without lag.
Best to leave it in? Notice the video is titled GTA IV GAMEPLAY? Not GTA IV CUTSCENES. As I said, at least half of the video is cutscenes, so once again you're wrong and just won't admit it.
More like Certified Troll (then again a lot of cops get the job to troll.)
LEARN TO GOOGLE. You don't even have to type in GTA IV. Just google HOTDOG STAND GLITCH. There will be plenty of GTA IV videos for you to view that have that glitch. Also, for someone that plays Xbox 360, hell in another topic you were claiming that the XBOX LIVE MARKETPLACE is warez. Notsureiftrollorjuststupid.jpg.
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| QUOTE | | Also, for someone that plays Xbox 360, hell in another topic you were claiming that the XBOX LIVE MARKETPLACE is warez. |
You should have read that topic a bit better, as I was NOT talking about X-Box Live Marketplace being illegal, I was talking about downloading games-big difference...Just a friendly heads up. | QUOTE | What I'm saying is your YouTube VIDEO PLAYBACK is LAGGING if you're seeing lag. My computers (and everyone else in this thread for that matter) are playing the video without lag.
Best to leave it in? Notice the video is titled GTA IV GAMEPLAY? Not GTA IV CUTSCENES. As I said, at least half of the video is cutscenes, so once again you're wrong and just won't admit it. |
But, if you leave out the cutscenes, it makes it look like you altered/edited the video, which kills your credibility. My video playback is not lagging-My Video card is full HD(1080P)-well, 2 out of 4 are, so that is not a problem...I use all 3 OS's-I have an XP Home and an XP Pro machine, A Vista machine, and a Windows 7 PC, so I have proven that part on every current OS... Also, for glitches and stuff like it, I don't really consider Youtube videos to be very reliable and accurate sources of info/proof...I trust the Pinned topics here more, as those are Pinned by the Mods/admins for a reason, and that is cause they were proven to be accurate sources of information... I admit, I am still learning about IV/EFLC, as Most of my knowledge is in the III, VC, SA, LCS, and VCS sections. However, that is called learning-when you have to ask questions to get information...google does not always give you the answer-a lot of times you get a bunch of stuff that does not pertain to what you are looking for...
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Whatever, DOWNLOADING GAMES on XBOX LIVE MARKETPLACE is NOT illegal, and anyone that has played on an Xbox 360 knows that. So where's your proof of your claims? Two can play this game.
It is OBVIOUS that I am skipping the cutscenes by just clicking the mouse. I can't help it you don't know what you're looking at.
You haven't proven anything about anything, just like I haven't proven anything according to you. So we might as well just call it quits.
So you finally admit, you are learning and in fact do not know what you are talking about when it comes to IV. What you're doing is not "learning," it is claiming that I am lying by not "proving" every little mundane detail about everything. I posted the video to show people how it runs on my rig and at what settings I use. I wasn't trying to prove anything. IF you need proof, just click my signature, I can almost guarantee you that my rig is far more powerful than yours, unless you can prove otherwise, and if you can't then it is clear that you do not know what you are talking about, therefore this will be my final response to your trolling.
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| QUOTE (radioman @ Sunday, Mar 4 2012, 16:27) | | @SyphonPayne , that video you posted does not look very smooth to me-I noticed several times where the game stutters/lags-and in the beginning where you started the mission, it did not show you touching the mission start point-that lagged over. Also, since I saw NO cutscenes for the mission, I take it you have an illegal game? Also, another thing that does not make it believable, is you failed to show your settings in the video...However, since there was so much stuttering/lagging in the video, I can tell you had the settings too high for the specs.? Just a heads up. |
I'm sorry radioman, but your making yourself look like a fool saying this. Where did you notice lagg? That video is as smooth as smooth can be  And the scene with Faustin, Roman, Dimitri and Niko is a cutscene and the one with Niko and Roman (in the dumpster --> "Don't be ridiculous, you're being paranoid!" - Niko Bellic) is one too  Why can't you accept the fact that his machine is just so powerful that it can play IV that high? Sure, it might have lagged one or two times, but that's IV - lagg is inevitable in this game
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| QUOTE (Exxon @ Sunday, Mar 4 2012, 15:08) | | QUOTE (radioman @ Sunday, Mar 4 2012, 16:27) | | @SyphonPayne , that video you posted does not look very smooth to me-I noticed several times where the game stutters/lags-and in the beginning where you started the mission, it did not show you touching the mission start point-that lagged over. Also, since I saw NO cutscenes for the mission, I take it you have an illegal game? Also, another thing that does not make it believable, is you failed to show your settings in the video...However, since there was so much stuttering/lagging in the video, I can tell you had the settings too high for the specs.? Just a heads up. |
I'm sorry radioman, but your making yourself look like a fool saying this. Where did you notice lagg? That video is as smooth as smooth can be 
And the scene with Faustin, Roman, Dimitri and Niko is a cutscene and the one with Niko and Roman (in the dumpster --> "Don't be ridiculous, you're being paranoid!" - Niko Bellic) is one too 
Why can't you accept the fact that his machine is just so powerful that it can play IV that high? Sure, it might have lagged one or two times, but that's IV - lagg is inevitable in this game |
Ahh... A breath of fresh air... A fellow Sandy Bridge user that knows what he's talking about. Considering FRAPS takes a lot of horsepower alone, and GTA IV needs an infinite amount, anyone that says it's not smooth is just hatin'  . On top of that, YouTube limits the framerate to 30fps. It just doesn't do justice to this rig  .
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| QUOTE | | Where did you notice lagg? |
It wasn't the lag, per say, it was the amount of stuttering the game had...I have an Intel I5 and the game very rarely stutters...So, that shows that specs are not everything-lol | QUOTE | | Considering FRAPS takes a lot of horsepower alone, |
I reckon that would depend on the settings used, as I have used Fraps, and with IV and EFLC, I lose maybe 5fps at most..I have NO FPS drops on III, VC, and SA while recording with Fraps...I used those as examples, as they were created by the same company(Rockstar Games)...Just curious. | QUOTE | | Whatever, DOWNLOADING GAMES on XBOX LIVE MARKETPLACE is NOT illegal, and anyone that has played on an Xbox 360 knows that |
Not really, that is Why I asked about it-I DO NOT use X-box Live on the 360, as it does not recognize my internet router(my PS3 does for PSN, but the 360 does not)...So, I have NO knowledge of what Live is...Why can people not explain that kind of stuff nicely without being rude and inconsiderate? I'm sorry I don't know that kind of stuff like you do, but unlike most people I was not raised around computers-I never had one until 2005, so I had to learn as I went... @Exxon, I know you have a legit game, and I know you're computer is capable of running the game at near maxed out settings(as seen by your sig.)-I never would doubt you, as I know for a fact you are one of the very knowledgeable people in this section of the forums... I'm not trying to play a know it all, I am just trying to learn more about the game and computers, etc. The way I was always taught was, If you don't know something, do not be afraid to ask, as there are no dumb questions... This post has been edited by radioman on Sunday, Mar 4 2012, 22:34
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| QUOTE (radioman @ Sunday, Mar 4 2012, 16:19) | | QUOTE | | Where did you notice lagg? |
It wasn't the lag, per say, it was the amount of stuttering the game had...I have an Intel I5 and the game very rarely stutters...So, that shows that specs are not everything-lol |
Yeah well, until you prove anything, I'll just listen to everyone else (except you) that's telling me that it's smooth, just like my own eyes tell me that the video is smooth. Yes, YouTube being limited to 30FPS makes it not look quite as good as it does in person, but everyone (but you) can tell that it is running great, at max settings (except sliders, traffic slider maxed.) | QUOTE (radioman @ Sunday, Mar 4 2012, 16:19) | So, that shows that specs are not everything-lol  |
I know for a fact that my rig can run this game better than yours, until you prove otherwise. I guess jealousy is the only reason I can think of as to why you would be trolling like this. | QUOTE (radioman @ Sunday, Mar 4 2012, 16:19) | I reckon that would depend on the settings used, as I have used Fraps, and with IV and EFLC, I lose maybe 5fps at most..I have NO FPS drops on III, VC, and SA while recording with Fraps...I used those as examples, as they were created by the same company(Rockstar Games)...Just curious. |
Comparing III, VC, SA to IV? Sorry, but your ignorance is showing. Of course FRAPS doesn't slow down those old games. As for FRAPS settings, I use 60fps full-height video, then convert them to 720p for YouTube. | QUOTE (radioman @ Sunday, Mar 4 2012, 16:19) | | QUOTE | | Whatever, DOWNLOADING GAMES on XBOX LIVE MARKETPLACE is NOT illegal, and anyone that has played on an Xbox 360 knows that |
Not really, that is Why I asked about it-I DO NOT use X-box Live on the 360, as it does not recognize my internet router(my PS3 does for PSN, but the 360 does not)...So, I have NO knowledge of what Live is...Why can people not explain that kind of stuff nicely without being rude and inconsiderate? I'm sorry I don't know that kind of stuff like you do, but unlike most people I was not raised around computers-I never had one until 2005, so I had to learn as I went... |
Well if you're so new to computers and Xbox, perhaps you should quit telling people how to do things with them, or accusing them of Warez. | QUOTE (radioman @ Sunday, Mar 4 2012, 16:19) | @Exxon, I know you have a legit game, and I know you're computer is capable of running the game at near maxed out settings(as seen by your sig.)-I never would doubt you, as I know for a fact you are one of the very knowledgeable people in this section of the forums...
I'm not trying to play a know it all, I am just trying to learn more about the game and computers, etc. The way I was always taught was, If you don't know something, do not be afraid to ask, as there are no dumb questions...  |
All you have to do is click my signature, and you'll see my rig specs, perfectly capable of running 40-60fps at near-max settings in GTA IV. CPU-Z validation is what people that actually know how to use a computer use to validate their computer specs and prove that they have what they say they have, and to prove that they are running at the frequency they say they are (in my case, 4.3GHz.) So again, perhaps you should learn a little more about it all before trying to tell people that they're lying.
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| QUOTE (radioman @ Sunday, Mar 4 2012, 23:19) | I'm not trying to play a know it all, I am just trying to learn more about the game and computers, etc. The way I was always taught was, If you don't know something, do not be afraid to ask, as there are no dumb questions... | I'm sorry, radioman, but I have to bash on you again. You ARE playing a know-it-all and you're not asking questions, you're stating facts (which may or may not be correct). | QUOTE | | Seriously---- Radioman is probably the most knowledgeable member who is active.. |
What? You're the only person I see posting misinformation over and over. @SyphonPayne: Like I said before, the game looks smooth as silk in that video!
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| QUOTE (cornflakes4u @ Monday, Mar 5 2012, 01:42) | | QUOTE (radioman @ Sunday, Mar 4 2012, 23:19) | I'm not trying to play a know it all, I am just trying to learn more about the game and computers, etc. The way I was always taught was, If you don't know something, do not be afraid to ask, as there are no dumb questions... |
I'm sorry, radioman, but I have to bash on you again. You ARE playing a know-it-all and you're not asking questions, you're stating facts (which may or may not be correct).
| QUOTE | | Seriously---- Radioman is probably the most knowledgeable member who is active.. |
What? You're the only person I see posting misinformation over and over.
@SyphonPayne: Like I said before, the game looks smooth as silk in that video! | Here is the topic in reference to that quote... So, apparently, only you people in the IV section seem to think I don't know what i'm talking about-lol Now you contradicted yourself, as you say you run the game at 60fps, however, you say it is limited to 30fps, so which is it? Just curious. | QUOTE | | Well if you're so new to computers and Xbox, perhaps you should quit telling people how to do things with them, or accusing them of Warez. |
I don't tell people what to do-I SUGGEST to them what to do-and if there is a chance I don't know for sure, I say something along the lines of "To my Knowledge" OR "I Think" OR "as far as I know" OR something along those lines...If by chance I am wrong, the polite thing to do is for someone to nicely explain How/Why it is wrong, instead of being rude...Why do people have to be so rude in this section, is beyond me? As far as the Warez accusations go, I reckon that comes from my Law Enforcement training...I need to go lighter on that, I admit that I sometimes come down to hard on that part...Sorry.. | QUOTE | | Comparing III, VC, SA to IV? Sorry, but your ignorance is showing. Of course FRAPS doesn't slow down those old games. As for FRAPS settings, I use 60fps full-height video, then convert them to 720p for YouTube. |
You evidently did not read that whole paragraph, as I explained that the ONLY reason I compared those games, is cause they were created by the same company(Rockstar Games)...
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Thanks cornflakes4u  . I'm not trying to start an argument/competition here, and this topic has pretty much been derailed by radioman, but I just found it ridiculous that this guy is coming in here and telling me that my game is running poorly and that it's illegal when it's obvious that neither are true. Then he says that a relatively common glitch that occurred in the beginning of my video means that there's something wrong with my system and that it somehow proves that I am running an illegal copy, even though you can see plain as day that it signed into Live and a simple Google search tells you that the hotdog stand glitch happens to a lot of people. Then he goes on to say that he's not trying to be a know-it-all all the while TELLING me how I should make my video when I never asked for suggestions  . Anyway, I know I shouldn't fall for troll bait, just sometimes I can't help it. Not sure if OP is still reading this (derailed) thread but he asked me how much a similar build to mine would cost. I'll use more budget-friendly parts than what I have in my machine. Hope this helps OP. -------------------- | QUOTE (radioman @ Monday, Mar 5 2012, 01:11) | | QUOTE (cornflakes4u @ Monday, Mar 5 2012, 01:42) | | QUOTE (radioman @ Sunday, Mar 4 2012, 23:19) | I'm not trying to play a know it all, I am just trying to learn more about the game and computers, etc. The way I was always taught was, If you don't know something, do not be afraid to ask, as there are no dumb questions... |
I'm sorry, radioman, but I have to bash on you again. You ARE playing a know-it-all and you're not asking questions, you're stating facts (which may or may not be correct).
| QUOTE | | Seriously---- Radioman is probably the most knowledgeable member who is active.. |
What? You're the only person I see posting misinformation over and over.
@SyphonPayne: Like I said before, the game looks smooth as silk in that video! |
Here is the topic in reference to that quote...
So, apparently, only you people in the IV section seem to think I don't know what i'm talking about-lol |
That's great. So you're knowledgeable on GTA VC mods, supposedly. Wonderful. That doesn't automatically mean that you know what you're talking about when it comes to GTA IV or computers. Awesome. You're the most knowledgeable member who is active in a forum for a 9 year old game. Given how old the game is, chances are that there are hardly any people who are active there compared to the rest of the site. | QUOTE (radioman @ Monday, Mar 5 2012, 01:11) |
Now you contradicted yourself, as you say you run the game at 60fps, however, you say it is limited to 30fps, so which is it? Just curious. |
For f*cks sake. Are you retarded? All YouTube videos are limited to 30FPS. There is no way around that limitation. The source file (would you like all 56GB?) is going at 60FPS, just like the game. | QUOTE (radioman @ Monday, Mar 5 2012, 01:11) |
| QUOTE | | Well if you're so new to computers and Xbox, perhaps you should quit telling people how to do things with them, or accusing them of Warez. |
I don't tell people what to do-I SUGGEST to them what to do-and if there is a chance I don't know for sure, I say something along the lines of "To my Knowledge" OR "I Think" OR "as far as I know" OR something along those lines...If by chance I am wrong, the polite thing to do is for someone to nicely explain How/Why it is wrong, instead of being rude...Why do people have to be so rude in this section, is beyond me?
As far as the Warez accusations go, I reckon that comes from my Law Enforcement training...I need to go lighter on that, I admit that I sometimes come down to hard on that part...Sorry.. |
Whatever. Cop or no cop it doesn't give you the right to go around accusing everyone of piracy just because you don't know what you're talking about. Politely or not you don't listen anyway, because apparently you're too dumb/lazy to use Google and check the facts. You seem to think that everything on Google is a lie, or unable to be "proven." | QUOTE (radioman @ Monday, Mar 5 2012, 01:11) | | QUOTE | | Comparing III, VC, SA to IV? Sorry, but your ignorance is showing. Of course FRAPS doesn't slow down those old games. As for FRAPS settings, I use 60fps full-height video, then convert them to 720p for YouTube. |
You evidently did not read that whole paragraph, as I explained that the ONLY reason I compared those games, is cause they were created by the same company(Rockstar Games)... |
Who cares if they were also created by Rockstar? They're old. You might as well say that you "have NO FPS drops" in GTA1. Yes, on my rig FRAPS has a negligible effect on GTA IV, but my point was it's still quite a feat to be able to record GTA IV at near-max settings without much impact.
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| QUOTE (radioman @ Sunday, Mar 4 2012, 22:19) | | @Exxon, I know you have a legit game, and I know you're computer is capable of running the game at near maxed out settings(as seen by your sig.)-I never would doubt you, as I know for a fact you are one of the very knowledgeable people in this section of the forums... |
Ahh, that's kind of you! Thanks man  But let's just stop this whole argue and keep it at the fact that SyphonPayne's machine is capable of near-maxing this game out with near to no lagg  All, just keep in mind that Radioman, and me too (even the technicians like OverTheBelow or yojo2) are learning every day, don't blame them of they make a mistake and just say it nicely. Let's do that, shall we? This post has been edited by Exxon on Monday, Mar 5 2012, 15:47
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| QUOTE (radioman @ Monday, Mar 5 2012, 15:26) | | QUOTE | | simple Google search tells you that the hotdog stand glitch happens to a lot of people. |
Are you sure about that, as you never proved that one?-I just did a Google search, and came up with NO results about it. Just curious?... Plus, with Google, I end up with a lot of stuff I wasn't looking for...and I never said Google searches were not accurate-It is Youtube videos I don't always believe as accurate... I never doubted the 60fps part-The ONLY part I doubted was the amount of stuttering seen in the video..As far as the legal part goes-there were some things added to the game that were negative stuff added to trigger in illegal game copies(as seen in the Pinned topic by CharmingCharlie in this section....IF you have a legal game, than sorry for doubting you-it's just you never can tell now a days..
| QUOTE | | That doesn't automatically mean that you know what you're talking about when it comes to GTA IV or computers. |
I'm not trying to argue-I am trying to learn-it's just you do not want to politely correct the wrong info., you just want to be rude...? |
What you don't seem to realise is that people make topics here in search of accurate help - not misinformation. You deliver misinformation more often than not and yet constantly feel the need to contradict posts made by people that actually know what they're talking about. It's incredibly frustrating. If you are not sure about something, you should make your own topic about it and stop hijacking threads with your own personal curiosity, because it doesn't help. Also, I like how you sneakily edited out the last bit of that sentence in an effort to make your advice seem more credible in this section: | QUOTE | Seriously---- Radioman is probably the most knowledgeable member who is active in the VC section.... |
And for the reference, Fraps makes games stutter on most systems whether you notice it or not (it records into separate 4.18gb parts, so every time it splits a small drop in framerate is almost inevitable i.e. every minute or so at 1080p60). I find it very hard to believe your laptop is capable of filming using Fraps with little to no difference in framerate or smoothness considering it can only just handle the game without it. Even more so when I add that you're probably gaming and filming from the same slow notebook harddrive. So yet again, you're spewing apparent crap because you obviously haven't looked into it close enough/don't properly understand. People are only rude to you because you (seemingly unintentionally) make it much more difficult to help people out here, and you come off as a know it all.
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| QUOTE (OverTheBelow @ Monday, Mar 5 2012, 16:08) | Also, I like how you sneakily edited out the last bit of that sentence in an effort to make your advice seem more credible in this section:
| QUOTE | Seriously---- Radioman is probably the most knowledgeable member who is active in the VC section.... | |  Radioman, you bastard!  | QUOTE (OverTheBelow @ Monday, Mar 5 2012, 16:08) | | And for the reference, Fraps makes games stutter on most systems whether you notice it or not |
You're completely right about that, see my signature? That's how I play. Just recorded a video of IV and I noticed way more lagg there, as I barely have any lagg when playing. And then keep in mind, I'm using HD textures, few car mods and RealityIV
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