[The Horror Is Alive]

Personally, I think it is okay, because it's not something that someone chooses. Those idiots who think it is a choice really need to talk to some more gay/lesbian people, and find out their side of the story. I cannot stand homophobes, f*cking bigots they are, especially the ones who take God's word for everything. The Bible and those fake-ass bitches, God and Jesus, have a lot more to answer for than George W Bush does when it comes to f*cking up our world.

Anyway, what's your opinion?

[John The Grudge]

Sorry to be crude but as long as it's not illegal then whatever gets you off is fine by me.

[Asoyfy37]

I dont have problem with them. I want to be a scientist, but for today, I dont want everyone to be scientists (even scientists need someone to give them food and water). The same with gays - with only gay people and the humanity will end since no woman is pregnant, but some gay people, even more than today, is okay. In fact, if the world's 20% of the population will be gay, then we wont have too much people on Earth, it will save us one day, think about it. But I still use the word "fag" to insult people. I voted for "it's okay".

[jimmy.]

and gay marrige is a slipery slope that will inevittebly lead to human-animal marrige and legal child-adult relatons. ITS IN THE BIBLE. though lesbiens are HOT

This post has been edited by jimmy. on Monday, Oct 19 2009, 20:55

[beanmachine43]

Fine by me, could care less. But I love the really chauvinistic guys who say things like "as long as they don't try to kiss me or get gay with me, I don't care". Like, how fu*king ignorant can someone be?

[El Zilcho]

QUOTE (beanmachine43 @ Oct 19 2009, 21:17)

Fine by me, could care less. But I love the really chauvinistic guys who say things like "as long as they don't try to kiss me or get gay with me, I don't care". Like, how fu*king ignorant can someone be?

Well then, would you like to get kissed by a man? Unless your gay, I don't personally see the appeal. I respect them and all, but come on. If you aren't gay, why should you have to let them kiss you. It's nothing chauvinistic about it, its about no personally fancying getting kissed by someone if your straight.

As for overall, I've got no problems with it.

[sethpenguin]

I don't think it's wrong to be Gay, Bi or Lesbian and being a Bisexual myself, I strongly support gay rights and believe that everyone of all sexual orientations deserve equal rights.

[General Goose]

It's not a choice, it's not harming anyone and it doesn't hurt me. I see no problem with it.

[poopskin]

I really don't care. people do what who people do.

[beanmachine43]

QUOTE (El Zilcho @ Oct 19 2009, 13:56)

QUOTE (beanmachine43 @ Oct 19 2009, 21:17) Fine by me, could care less. But I love the really chauvinistic guys who say things like "as long as they don't try to kiss me or get gay with me, I don't care". Like, how fu*king ignorant can someone be? Well then, would you like to get kissed by a man? Unless your gay, I don't personally see the appeal. I respect them and all, but come on. If you aren't gay, why should you have to let them kiss you. It's nothing chauvinistic about it, its about no personally fancying getting kissed by someone if your straight.

That's common sense; you have just as much of a right to deny a person of the same sex a kiss then that of the opposite sex. Homosexuals just don't go running around kissing everybody of the same sex, and most I've seen are very respectful of straight people's boundaries.

[nlitement]

QUOTE (jimmy. @ Oct 19 2009, 22:49)

legal child-adult relatons.

Those have been around before.

beanmachine43: "Could NOT care less"

[Melchior]

QUOTE (beanmachine43 @ Oct 20 2009, 07:17)

Fine by me, could care less. But I love the really chauvinistic guys who say things like "as long as they don't try to kiss me or get gay with me, I don't care". Like, how fu*king ignorant can someone be?

Indeed, knowing people want to get gay with you would be f*cking awesome.

[El Zilcho]

QUOTE (beanmachine43 @ Oct 19 2009, 23:37)

QUOTE (El Zilcho @ Oct 19 2009, 13:56) QUOTE (beanmachine43 @ Oct 19 2009, 21:17) Fine by me, could care less. But I love the really chauvinistic guys who say things like "as long as they don't try to kiss me or get gay with me, I don't care". Like, how fu*king ignorant can someone be? Well then, would you like to get kissed by a man? Unless your gay, I don't personally see the appeal. I respect them and all, but come on. If you aren't gay, why should you have to let them kiss you. It's nothing chauvinistic about it, its about no personally fancying getting kissed by someone if your straight. That's common sense; you have just as much of a right to deny a person of the same sex a kiss then that of the opposite sex. Homosexuals just don't go running around kissing everybody of the same sex, and most I've seen are very respectful of straight people's boundaries.

I didn't say gay people are disrespectful of boundaries, I'm just saying that if someone tried to kiss me, girl or boy, I wouldn't be particularly pleased unless I liked them. There (not in my opinion at least) isn't anything chauvinistic about that.

[The Horror Is Alive]

But why would they? Would you go up to a random person and kiss THEM?

[El Zilcho]

QUOTE (The Horror Is Alive @ Oct 20 2009, 10:51)

But why would they? Would you go up to a random person and kiss THEM?

No idea, they most probably wouldn't. But if someone you knew did that and you didn't want them too, you wouldn't exactly welcome it, would you?

[SagaciousKJB]

El Zilcho,

There's not really a terrible amount of gay men that will be audacious enough to run up and kiss/grope you, or even use some crude pickup line that many males would use towards women. Sure there are a handful of homosexuals that are the same kind of douchebags who will catcall to women, but for the most part I doubt you'll even find a homosexual approach you in public and ask if you would like to go out--I mean, think about how many times you've done that to a woman at the grocery store. If it's zero, you've got common sense and realize women don't want to be asked out on dates while doing their grocery shopping, they go to social places for that kind of thing.

Though there is a distinct possibillity that you don't think asking a woman out at the check-out line or telling her how much you want to get it on with her is inappropriate since it's a heterosexual affair. However, what really interests me, is how would you handle it? I mean, surely you've been on the same end of this exchange with a woman you had no interest in; does it bother you as much, is it as unwelcome? How would you react to each predicament?

The reason I ask is beacuse so many people claim they don't care about gay people or are okay with them, but treat them with a double standard. I'm not accusing you of being in this category ( especially since you already made the distinction that boy or girl didn't matter to you ), but there are some that would treat a homosexual man that made a move toward them differently than a woman that they did not agree with. For whatever reasons they have, it clearly shows a distinction between the way they treat homosexuals, even if it is not necessarily negative or severe. I've always been somewhat interested in this, and in my experience, have very rarely encountered anyone that doesn't treat them differently or think of homosexuals in a different way.

So with that in mind, I think what he meant earlier about people sounding ignorant when they say, "As long as they don't try to kiss me," is that people for some reason often express this as a worry about homosexuals. I've never really confirmed whether they think they're more likely to try to kiss them, or if for some reason it would be much more embarrassing to them, but regardless of that I think the majority of people who say that seem to be implying that it's more of a concern than with heterosexuals. It's as presumptuous and offensive as someone kissing you out of no where, as far as I'm concerned. The best thing to say to those types of people is, "Try not to flatter yourself too much."

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Also, I find the idea that with a largely "gay" society, birth-rates would drop and we wouldn't be able to procreate. I find this ridiculous because of two reasons. One, the rate of "homosexuals" that are also largely "bisexual", and the growing trend of them impregnating surrogate mothers to bear their offspring. There are also artificial insemination methods if the guy is just SO gay that he can't even get it up with a woman--but I think we all know how unrealistic and stupid that notion is. I mean, I don't want to get too crude, but if someone was really in that situation and wanted a child, they could just start it out and "finish" with the woman.

I'm not really convinced that it 100% not a choice though. As a bisexual, I often find myself more attracted to one sex than the other during different times, somewhat oscillating between which gender I prefer to have as company. A lot of people will talk though about how they marry someone of the opposite sex, and then years down the road when they are more attracted to the same sex it causes problem; however, I find that to be more of an issue with monogamy than with relationships in general. In any case, these people often wind up being made to feel so guilty about their attraction outside of the marriage, that they often times use the, "It wasn't a choice, I was born this way," line of reasoning as a way to absolve them of their guilt. Now I'm not saying that all homosexuals do this, but I think that line of reasoning is susceptible to being abused when it comes to infidelity. For example, when the 40 year old man gets caught cheating with some guy by his wife, and then in the following divorce claims, "It's not my fault, I've been living a lie, I was born this way," he could very easily be using this to excuse his actions in his mind, and then before you know it he realizes that he was just bisexual and wanted a little cock, and destroyed his family over it.

Yeah, I know, I probably sound like some big scary conservative republican, but I do think that the whole "coming out" and "being born with it" thing has caused a lot of people who are just bisexual and battling with infidelity to confuse lust and attraction with them being "unhappy" and living in "denial" and before they know it they're leading their new "gay" lives feeling as if they're just as unhappy and just as much in denial.

I myself really believe that the "we're born with it" was just a response to people saying that these people were corrupted in some way by society, or those horrible churches that offered "cures" for homosexuals. I mean, I can see that the homosexuality community needed something like this to respond to that in those times, but I think now days are more accepting of the fact that people don't choose their attractions outright, but I think on the other hand homosexuals need to realize that they're not always either/or and are not powerless. I mean, I've met homosexuals that have told me, "You're not bisexual, you're just in denial and haven't accept that you're really gay yet," as if the idea that a person can be attracted to both sexes has been completely abolished by the "they're born with it" idea.

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Anyway, I don't think homosexuality is wrong at all. I don't think it's "right" or "okay" either, I think it's just basically something that society has conjured up like time. A hundred thousand years ago when we weren't even completely homosapiens yet, if one male sucked another male off, I doubt that the notion of "homosexuality" ever came across the minds of such primitive creatures. Hell, I doubt the actual act of procreation wasn't really even that related in the minds of humans until much later when the church made anything involving nudity and genitalia "sex". For all we know, back then a blowjob could have been considered as casual as a backrub, and the basic act of sex and pleasure weren't something considered "evil" or "wrong", and definitely did not have all of the conventions that our modern society attaches to them. So I guess it's not any wonder that now days when humans see a male giving another male a blowjob, it goes so past convention that it is practically a universally absurd, and excited reaction; the people that don't like it get angry and offended, and the people that do get aroused and entertained.

Think of it this way. In 1930-1950, if a man and a woman were french kissing in a public park, someone would probably complain. Now days, the same scenario, and maybe someone complains, several people make fun of them, etc. A man and a man, and you have nearly the same public awkwardness of a heterosexual kiss would have in the early 20th century. Sooner or later it will grow to be more acceptable; which I think it has already. Eventually homosexual couplings will be seen as natural and conventional as heterosexual couplings, and whatever primitive notions of "wrong" or "right" we had about it will go right out the window.

[El Zilcho]

Well thanks for the big post Segacious, plenty of good points there and makes for good discussion. I think you're right; I've never been approached randomly by anyone of any sex and nor have I ever hit on someone in a supermarket but it would be quite inappropriate and quite annoying (for them or for me) annoying if it were to happen, as I already said; gay or straight.

[kareljanis]

From what i've read from that monster of a post, good points as always.

i think it's okay, i mean that's how they feel and you can't change that. as long as theyre not harming anyone/thing, i support their rights.

[Warplay3r]

It's fine with me. If you are attracted to the same gender and in love, you shouldn't let anybody tell you otherwise. You can't argue with feelings.

[blahblah1212]

I would never go gay, but if someone I knew did I wouldn't shun them for it.