[GTA-King]

QUOTE (Vormek @ Friday, Jun 22 2012, 13:19)

It's possible. I can even see him killing Hank if it's necessary.

Anything is possible. Vince Gilligan said that it's going to be harder to root for Walt in the 5th and final season. So he's apparently going to do something very, very bad... and killing a family member to protect his secret would be just that.

Over the past couple of years, I had thought of this show as a narrative about the development of Walter White into a monster and a badass. However, on re-watching S1, I'm beginning to think this was always who WW was. Even in the very first episode, with no experience being a badass, he's getting ready to get into a gunfight with the police. In the fulminate of mercury scene with Tuco, he is already going into the HQ of a serious badass and blowing it up, then demanding money. This is a guy who was always a badass at heart, but who for whatever reason needed a cancer diagnosis to get him to break out of his shell. I think this is actually why Walt was angry at finding out his cancer had gone into remission. Having terminal cancer gave him an easy reason not to care about his life. After that remission, though, he actually had to face mortality for more complex reasons.

In many respects, WW is a difficult character to understand. If he has any self-esteem at all, and he generally seems to hate himself, it is because of his chemical genius. However, his greatest nemesis in the series so far has been Gus Fring, also a person whose prime strength was intellect. However, WW is without discipline. The main reason Gus felt WW was a threat was his lack of discipline and volatility. WW is, in a literal and a figurative sense, an explosive personality. His first killing was with red phosphorus. His first appearance as his Heisenberg alter-ego was with fulminate of mercury. His most brutal murder, of Gus Fring, was with explosives. He followed that with an even more dramatic explosion of the superlab.

WW has had a number of characters in this series who he has partnered with, talked with, sympathized with. He has never had a true friend except for Jesse, who would probably kill him if he knew what Walt has done to him. Who is the character most like Walt? It's certainly not Gus, who always maintained discipline and hated Walt largely because he was a loose cannon who could not be trusted to behave predictably. It's Tuco. Walt blows up his HQ and Tuco is actually impressed and crazy enough to view the whole thing as fun. This is also how Walt views his increasingly crazed and psychotic behavior. At the end of S4, he commits a crazed multiple homicide and then blows up a building, and poisoning a small child is just a minor part of this deviant scheme, and what's his summation? "I won." To Walt, all this is a game. This hasn't been a character development. This has been a person coming into his fullest form. WW has always been this bastard that he is now. He is just a lot better at it now. I'm amazed Cranston plays this vile character so well that I am still rooting for him, at least until he dies. My prediction and hope? Jesse kills him. But even that would be too predictable.

Mother of God... I f*cking love this show!



This post has been edited by GTA-King on Friday, Jun 22 2012, 14:33

[GTAvanja]

A nice and elaborate way of confirming what I've already said. Walt was always Heisenberg. And that's what I love about his character so much.

This post has been edited by GTAvanja on Friday, Jun 22 2012, 14:54

[GTA-King]

New cast photos! Don't view if you don't want to be slightly spoiled. There's a few of them that's new:

http://blogs.amctv.com/breaking-bad/2012/0...cast-photos.php

About the photos, it looks like Hank doesn't have his cane anymore. Is he fully healed now? And that warehouse looks alot like the one in the season 5 poster. Is this where the new super lab is going to be?

This post has been edited by GTA-King on Friday, Jun 22 2012, 18:06

[Vormek]

Damn, that's a great analysis you made a few posts ago GTA-King. And I also noticed that warehouse. There's plenty of picture with Jesse and Walter in that warehouse. Might be their new methlab, I hope it is because I love watching Jesse and Walter cook together.
Only three more weeks to go

This post has been edited by Vormek on Friday, Jun 22 2012, 22:51

[Cuban Warlord]

I agree BB is an awesome show and is def in the top 10 TV shows ever created in my humble opinion.

The only way I can see this ending for Walt is by Jesse turning on his partner and finally going clean or turning himself in to end the torment hes caused on his family.

[GTA-King]

@Vormek: Thanks man, I'm glad you liked that! It's pretty much Walter in a nut shell, lol. And about the pic, I'm pretty sure that whatever that warehouse is, new meth lab or not, it will be important in season 5. I'm curious to see how they distribute their product now without Gus. I'm willing to bet Madrigal will be involved though.

Oh, and can you please keep all stuff about season 5 in spoiler tags please? Like, episode pics and info on season 5 that has slight spoilers. I only say that because I assume some people here doesn't even want to be slightly spoiled about season 5. Thanks man!

@Cuban Warlord: That could happen. Vince Gilligan said that it's going to be alot harder to root for Walt in season 5, so my only hope is that the ending is satisfying enough.

[RARusk]

[Vormek]

^ No way! That's not real is it?

[GTA-King]

QUOTE (Vormek @ Sunday, Jun 24 2012, 13:53)

^ No way! That's not real is it?

No, it's just a concept. Believe me, as soon as I seen this, I researched it to see if it was real. If Ben & Jerry approves of it though, it could be a real product.

http://www.projectalice.com/omg-breaking-bad-ice-cream/

[Vormek]

Ah I see. Hope it gets approved though

[Vormek]

Possible season 5 spoilers!!! Check out the casting list for season 5, episode 8 on IMDb. Dr. Delcavoli seems to be back. Could this be a possible cliff hanger?!

[GTA-King]

Hmmm. (regarding Vormek's last post) Interesting that it's the last episode of the first part he's in. My guess is that Walt gets the news his cancer comes back, so he has to do something drastic.

This post has been edited by GTA-King on Monday, Jun 25 2012, 05:33

[Vormek]

Yeah you're probably right. It will be very interesting to see how everything plays out. I'm so hyped right now! Less than three weeks to go!

[GTA-King]

[Johnny Playert]

QUOTE (GTA-King @ Friday, Jun 22 2012, 14:29)

QUOTE (Vormek @ Friday, Jun 22 2012, 13:19) It's possible. I can even see him killing Hank if it's necessary. Anything is possible. Vince Gilligan said that it's going to be harder to root for Walt in the 5th and final season. So he's apparently going to do something very, very bad... and killing a family member to protect his secret would be just that. Over the past couple of years, I had thought of this show as a narrative about the development of Walter White into a monster and a badass. However, on re-watching S1, I'm beginning to think this was always who WW was. Even in the very first episode, with no experience being a badass, he's getting ready to get into a gunfight with the police. In the fulminate of mercury scene with Tuco, he is already going into the HQ of a serious badass and blowing it up, then demanding money. This is a guy who was always a badass at heart, but who for whatever reason needed a cancer diagnosis to get him to break out of his shell. I think this is actually why Walt was angry at finding out his cancer had gone into remission. Having terminal cancer gave him an easy reason not to care about his life. After that remission, though, he actually had to face mortality for more complex reasons. In many respects, WW is a difficult character to understand. If he has any self-esteem at all, and he generally seems to hate himself, it is because of his chemical genius. However, his greatest nemesis in the series so far has been Gus Fring, also a person whose prime strength was intellect. However, WW is without discipline. The main reason Gus felt WW was a threat was his lack of discipline and volatility. WW is, in a literal and a figurative sense, an explosive personality. His first killing was with red phosphorus. His first appearance as his Heisenberg alter-ego was with fulminate of mercury. His most brutal murder, of Gus Fring, was with explosives. He followed that with an even more dramatic explosion of the superlab. WW has had a number of characters in this series who he has partnered with, talked with, sympathized with. He has never had a true friend except for Jesse, who would probably kill him if he knew what Walt has done to him. Who is the character most like Walt? It's certainly not Gus, who always maintained discipline and hated Walt largely because he was a loose cannon who could not be trusted to behave predictably. It's Tuco. Walt blows up his HQ and Tuco is actually impressed and crazy enough to view the whole thing as fun. This is also how Walt views his increasingly crazed and psychotic behavior. At the end of S4, he commits a crazed multiple homicide and then blows up a building, and poisoning a small child is just a minor part of this deviant scheme, and what's his summation? "I won." To Walt, all this is a game. This hasn't been a character development. This has been a person coming into his fullest form. WW has always been this bastard that he is now. He is just a lot better at it now. I'm amazed Cranston plays this vile character so well that I am still rooting for him, at least until he dies. My prediction and hope? Jesse kills him. But even that would be too predictable. Mother of God... I f*cking love this show!

Hey that is a really intriguing analysis there King (sorry for quoting it though, it's so long). I can honestly say, i didn't really look at it that way. Sure, willing to go to these extreme lengths makes you an absolute maniac at heart, but i always saw it as him seeing no other rational way out, and thus being forced to do it. But to actually do it (especially with such calmness and bravado, something which really makes me root for him) surely means he had it in him all along. That is part of what gives this show 'the goosebump-factor' for sure.

But there is one thing that bugs me a tiny bit. That's Skyler. I actually wish she never got involved with it. She could be a real danger to Walt. Not necessary for possibly outing him, but just the risk-factor. She certainly is not half as committed as Walt (how could she be) and he would be better off alone, screw the whole carwash thing. She bugged the hell outta me when she bought that place. And with that Ted business and what not. Like, are you f-ing crazy???

[GTA-King]

@Johnny Playert: I think what is also interesting about the show is what a man will do if he's pushed into a corner. In the first season when he was diagnosed, his only intentions was to sell enough meth to provide for his family after he died. But now that he's in remission, it just seems like he's doing this all for himself now. He loves the power and wealth. He has so much pride in what he has become. Rember when he was offered money from Gretchen and Elliot to pay for his treatment? He turned it down and continued to cook meth with Jesse. He's rather build his own enterprise rather than accept charity. Deep down, Walter has always been Heisenerg. It just took cancer for him to see that. I think if ANYONE knew their days were numbered their true colors would come to light.

And about Skyler. She only got involved to help keep the family safe. It was her idea to use the car wash as a way of laundering Walt's drug money... pretty smart considering he used to work there. If Walt was to get busted, the house would be seized, because the bills were being payed with drug money. Hank and Marie would be questioned because Hank's surgery was payed for with drug money. Hank would probably lose his job because of that. Skyler is just trying to help keep things neat and tidy. Her being a book keeper actually helps too, with the whole money laundering aspect. I agree with you about the Ted situation. While she was only to protect the family buy paying off Ted's IRS debt (so it wouldn't be traced back to her and the car wash) she could have at least told Walt about it. I believe she still owes him an explanation for that by the way. Also, she MIGHT have indirectly gotten Ted killed. I wonder how she will react to that.

I think in season 5 though, Skyler will re-think what she's doing. Knowing Walt is a killer now could change everything for her.

This post has been edited by GTA-King on Monday, Jun 25 2012, 20:16

[Typhus]

To be honest, I hope they go in a different direction. I hate guilt subplots. Why not have Skylar go full-on Lady Macbeth and egg Walter on?
The alternative seems to be the same melancholic bitching that we've already seen from her.

I think in this season we need to see the White family embrace their inner monster. No more half measures.

[GTA-King]

QUOTE (Typhus @ Monday, Jun 25 2012, 20:14)

To be honest, I hope they go in a different direction. I hate guilt subplots. Why not have Skylar go full-on Lady Macbeth and egg Walter on? The alternative seems to be the same melancholic bitching that we've already seen from her. I think in this season we need to see the White family embrace their inner monster. No more half measures.

Yes! This is what I want as well. Breaking Bad has alot of Shakespeare references, especially in the episode "Crawl Space." Talk about a Greek tragedy. I believe the first few episodes, Skyler will have a hard time dealing with what Walt has become. But eventually, she will like the power he has given them. Hell, she might even be turned on by it. Like in the first season when her and Walt was f*cking in the car outside the school.

"Why did that feel so good?" said Skyler.

"Because it was illegal." said Walter.

This post has been edited by GTA-King on Monday, Jun 25 2012, 20:59

[Zikomos]

A little late to the thread, but I guess since the new season hasn't started yet, not too late! I've been watching this show since the pilot aired and I'll definitely stop by the thread after each episode airs. I always find myself wanting to discuss the show with other fans and IMDB sucks if you ask me. See you guys around.

[Johnny Playert]

@GTA-King: You are totally right, and it makes him so much more interesting. It's not like he is someone who had a crazy idea some day and didn't follow through, or just dove into it without thinking. He absolutely went for it (in the long run). Come to think about it, the very fact that he came up with the idea, methodically planned it out, and then actually approached Jesse (which was nuts if you think about it) shows he was certain.

And i totally get what you're saying about Skyler, of course it's the perfect scheme alltogether, and actually the most profitable, comfortable and transparent way to launder his money, but i still feel he would be better off laundering through other contacts, other businesses. Maybe he should've bought some other front with no previous ties to him. But maybe it's just that i really can't stand all her meddling, it feels quite annoying. At this point, Walt is better to be left to his own devices, his own instinct. Because that is his true power, his intellect and bravery.