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Why do you guys hope he gets elected? Justify closing all of our military bases and putting our troops on the border. Justify no regulation in the economy. Justify making heroin legal.
Why do you guys hope he gets elected? Justify closing all of our military bases and putting our troops on the border. Justify no regulation in the economy. Justify making heroin legal.
Because ending the fed would be the first smart thing our country has done for years..
Why exactly do we need bases in other countries trying to police them? We have our own country that's fallen into a giant hole, we need to worry about us and stop wasting money.
"Justify making heroin legal"
hahaha you don't understand the first thing about freedom do you? It's not that he's supporting heroin being legal, he's supporting that the state has the choice what to do with the drug, not the Fed government. WE DON'T NEED TO GOVERNMENT TO TELL US HEROIN IS BAD.. We are all intelligent human beings who can think for ourselves. We don't need a government telling us what we can and cannot do..
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Yeah, you're going to lose a lot of people going down Skull and Bones Conspiracy Theory Road. As for Ron Paul, I don't think he can win, and I don't know if his plans would help the country, but I do get the feeling that the dude speaks from the heart, which is more than I can say for the rest of his peers. Once again, he has a lot of radical views, but at least I feel he actually believes them and has the courage to speak about them, rather than contorting his rhetoric to what he thinks is going to give him the winning edge on votes.
To be honest, I couldn't care less if he eats babies in his free time as long as he runs the country like it needs to be run. What's a few toddlers in the grand scheme of things?
I know it sounds crazy, trust me lol, but just because it sounds out there doesn't mean it's not true.
A majority of politicians come from this place, they all support the same exact agenda, they just give the illusion you have a choice because we have the 'left' and the 'right'.
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QUOTE (GrandMaster Smith @ Saturday, Dec 31 2011, 09:34)
Why exactly do we need bases in other countries trying to police them? We have our own country that's fallen into a giant hole, we need to worry about us and stop wasting money.
Your complete absence of understanding of even the rudimentary basics of foreign policy are often your undoing when it comes to debates like this. Like Dr. Paul himself, you seem to have no grasp of the idea about exactly how dependent the United States is on maintaining positive, often aggressivist relationships with other nations. An isolationist United States would collapse into petty, squabbling micro-federations within a decade.
QUOTE (GrandMaster Smith @ Saturday, Dec 31 2011, 09:34)
Why exactly do we need bases in other countries trying to police them? We have our own country that's fallen into a giant hole, we need to worry about us and stop wasting money.
Your complete absence of understanding of even the rudimentary basics of foreign policy are often your undoing when it comes to debates like this. Like Dr. Paul himself, you seem to have no grasp of the idea about exactly how dependent the United States is on maintaining positive, often aggressivist relationships with other nations. An isolationist United States would collapse into petty, squabbling micro-federations within a decade.
And you don't think that continuing to let the fed loan money to us that includes interest greater than the amount of money that's even in circulation isn't going to collapse our country?
We're what, 15 trillion dollars in debt now? If we continue to allow the Federal Reserve to f*ck us like this then there's no escape, we will never be able to get out of debt.
And that's going to save the country how exactly..?
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QUOTE (sivispacem @ Saturday, Dec 31 2011, 06:07)
An isolationist United States would collapse into petty, squabbling micro-federations within a decade.
Nah, it'd take at least a generation to properly collapse. Current generation doesn't have the balls to tear the federal govt apart, even if it's going to show such a weakness.
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A majority of politicians come from this place, they all support the same exact agenda, they just give the illusion you have a choice because we have the 'left' and the 'right'.
Dude, that's a good thing. That's the only thing that makes the government in this country work. Having two parties with identical agenda means that statistically, the vote of the sheep will be split evenly between the two parties. In other words, what majority votes for doesn't mean squat. The people whose votes have an impact on political decisions are the swing votes, most of whom actually spend some time figuring out what is going on and vote on policy, rather than something they saw on TV.
A pure direct democracy is an absolute worst system one can imagine. It lets the mob control the country. It leads to schizophrenic foreign policy and dysfunctional economy. Representative democracy is only better if representatives don't have to worry about majority breathing down their neck. Two party system ensures that by making the mob completely impotent when it comes to a vote. Democrats will blame the Republicans, and Republicans will blame the Democrats, while important decisions are made by people with a head on their shoulders.
"That's the only thing that makes the government in this country work"
You actually think this government works?? Hahaha
The only way you can see things that way is if you've been bred and conditioned into this society and simply have blindfolds on preventing you to see any other possibilities.. "this is all I know therefore it works perfectly"
That's a very strict narrow perspective..
Or if you're just one of the very few who's benefiting from all this..
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"In other words, what majority votes for doesn't mean squat."
Okay I don't know who you are or who you work for/affiliated with so you're may not be affected as much as the everyday citizens, but anyone who's smarter than a pile of bricks would realize the nonsense in all of this..
The majority are the ones paying taxes. The majority are the ones who at the very basis run all of this. Without the majority, the government wouldn't even exist and get their 'hard earned' tax money.
If the everyday people realized how hard they're getting f*cked out of their hard earned money they would pull and and this entire system would fall to shreds.
Why do you think mainstream news sources don't report any Real issues?
Why do you think mainstream news sources are bought out to keep quiet and censor things such as Ron Paul's messages and try to discredit him in any way possible?
Why do you think these people are pathetic enough to hire online dis-informant agents to go around and try to discredit anyone who speaks out against it?
They have todo something to keep the masses ill-informed on the truth.. But alot of people are smarter than that and can see straight through an individuals intentions and motives..
The majority is starting to wake up to what's really going on, revolutions comin..
All drugs should be legal. More people die trying to make money selling drugs then because they use drugs. If you legalize drugs you can tax it. If you tax it then the country makes money out of it, not the criminals. And it would reduce the crime more than you could ever hope to imagine. It's the most rational thing a country can do about drugs. War on drugs? It's f*ckin' stupid. Just legalize the damn stuff already. And if it doesn't work, they can always make it illegal again. Can you really not see the benefits for the whole society of making the drugs legal?
This post has been edited by GTAvanja on Saturday, Dec 31 2011, 18:57
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Drunken Drivers. Legalise Alcohol. Under the Influence Drivers. Legalise drugs. Prohibition. It always ends something, but creates something else. You aren't going to Win the "War on ... ". You just creat a new value of crime. No one realizes that when you have someone else represent you, you aren't being represented. Only you know yourown mind. We hire a body through elections. We never get what we want/need. We only get some liar who says what the group in front of him/her wants to hear. Then once they get the chair they bloody well do what they want and claim they're doing what the majority wants. And that majority turns out to be a minority looking for their own ends. Why of a sudden do the INs spread the tax dollars out at election time. No that's not a question because we already know. Why do the INs get reelected (because it's easier to keep them in than to have to think of who is going to replace them.). I say no consecutive terms in office. A 'new' person each election so we don't get a dynasty going. Let them run for every other election but not consecutive terms. It might cut down on the graft, in-side sellouts, et cetera. Might even be a time to end Civil-Service for a decade or so.
You ever drive by a school and road construction site? See those signs saying 'Fines Doubled'? I think maybe that idea should be applied else where. Say Double the penalties for Government Contractors, Triple the penalties for Government Employees, quadruple penalties for Elected Goverment officials that do us wrong.
No more so called 'Executive Orders' issued not in Declared War Times.
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First, yes, the government does work. Tell me how it doesn't.
What misinformed uneducated drivel. Please justify term limits considering the fact that it takes at least two terms for a Congressperson to learn what he/she is doing, and further at least 4-5 to actually be able to procure any influence for his/her constituents.
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All drugs should be legal. More people die trying to make money selling drugs then because they use drugs. If you legalize drugs you can tax it. If you tax it then the country makes money out of it, not the criminals. And it would reduce the crime more than you could ever hope to imagine. It's the most rational thing a country can do about drugs. War on drugs? It's f*ckin' stupid. Just legalize the damn stuff already. And if it doesn't work, they can always make it illegal again. Can you really not see the benefits for the whole society of making the drugs legal?
Sorry, but I don't agree with making heroin legal. Maybe coke in due time. Definitely weed. But heroin is not the type of drug that should be readily available and purchased at a taxed price at the local 7/11.
First, yes, the government does work. Tell me how it doesn't.
What misinformed uneducated drivel. Please justify term limits considering the fact that it takes at least two terms for a Congressperson to learn what he/she is doing, and further at least 4-5 to actually be able to procure any influence for his/her constituents.
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All drugs should be legal. More people die trying to make money selling drugs then because they use drugs. If you legalize drugs you can tax it. If you tax it then the country makes money out of it, not the criminals. And it would reduce the crime more than you could ever hope to imagine. It's the most rational thing a country can do about drugs. War on drugs? It's f*ckin' stupid. Just legalize the damn stuff already. And if it doesn't work, they can always make it illegal again. Can you really not see the benefits for the whole society of making the drugs legal?
Sorry, but I don't agree with making heroin legal. Maybe coke in due time. Definitely weed. But heroin is not the type of drug that should be readily available and purchased at a taxed price at the local 7/11.
You people are out of your f*cking minds.
Why not? Illegal drugs create more problems than legal drugs ever could. People who want to do drugs will find a way. Those who don't won't regardless of it being legal. Just because something is legal doesn't mean everyone will automatically start using it. Cigarettes are legal yet there are less and less smokers every day. Why? Because people know "it's bad for ya". If people are really such f*ckin' idiots to use drugs just because they're legal then they should use them and die of overdose because idiots like that shouldn't spread their genetic code around. There are ways to keep people away from drugs even if they were legal, and ways to control drug users. All you have to do is turn on your freakin' brain. It's easy to just make something illegal and charge a fine or throw someone in jail. But that's not a long term solution to a problem as big as drugs.
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Check the history: Both Cocaine and Heroine have been retailed to the public. Mary-Jane was a respectable drug until Willy Hearst wanted the plant outlawed because it interfered with his wood lots by making newsprint cheaper.
Muliple terms in office is what they claim. Because it takes that long to fully corrupt them. What do they do (yes, take a good look) that should take more than a month to learn?
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QUOTE (sivispacem @ Saturday, Dec 31 2011, 04:07)
QUOTE (GrandMaster Smith @ Saturday, Dec 31 2011, 09:34)
Why exactly do we need bases in other countries trying to police them? We have our own country that's fallen into a giant hole, we need to worry about us and stop wasting money.
Your complete absence of understanding of even the rudimentary basics of foreign policy are often your undoing when it comes to debates like this. Like Dr. Paul himself, you seem to have no grasp of the idea about exactly how dependent the United States is on maintaining positive, often aggressivist relationships with other nations. An isolationist United States would collapse into petty, squabbling micro-federations within a decade.
Can you explain this for me in more detail?
To be honest, I don't believe we shouldn't have a strong military, but when the spending is so out of control and are losing billions to have bases in the likes of Germany to have a bunch of horny twenty-somethings from the USA to protect who knows what from a non-existant threat. I fail to see how we're so "dependent" on it. We're spending $100 billion / yr to maintain hundreds of bases in foreign countries, whilst we can't even control our own problems. So whats the point? America has many, many things to fix before they even consider fixing somebody else's problems. Problems that don't exist, anyway.
Do we really think that Japan or Germany will be invaded anytime soon? Will China really suddenly invade us just because we cut a few billion (which is, all things considered; pocket change) from the military budget? The money wasted on all that needs to be put at a better use.
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QUOTE (GrandMaster Smith @ Saturday, Dec 31 2011, 14:24)
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"That's the only thing that makes the government in this country work"
You actually think this government works?? Hahaha
The only way you can see things that way is if you've been bred and conditioned into this society and simply have blindfolds on preventing you to see any other possibilities.. "this is all I know therefore it works perfectly"
I grew up in Russia. Been to a few places in Europe. Living in States for the past decade. You haven't seen a government that doesn't work. Americans are acting like spoiled children, throwing tantrums over problems that can be fixed within the system if they actually bothered to be politically active. Unlike pretty much the entire rest of the world, you happen to have a system where it is possible.
So don't start telling me that I've been conditioned. Pull your head out of the sand for a moment. Take a look at what's happening around the world and try to understand why it's not happening here.
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It used to be said that if you don't know your history you will repeat all the bad things. Let us look at Roman Empires, and How does the U.S. of A. compare. Every Country had a time when it was 'Great' and Fell because it .... did what(?)
Sorry, but I don't agree with making heroin legal. Maybe coke in due time. Definitely weed. But heroin is not the type of drug that should be readily available and purchased at a taxed price at the local 7/11.
You people are out of your f*cking minds.
You seem to be missing the entire point..
It's not that he's condoning heroin to be legal at all.. he's saying we don't need to big government to tell us what we need and don't need, we're perfectly capable on our own to know heroin is harmful and the states should decide what to make legal and what not to.. not the federal government.
Just look at all the deaths the DEA has caused from just marijuana being illegal.. attacking these people then locking them up isn't going to make the drug problem go away, you have to face the problem at it's source..
We shouldn't make spoons illegal just because there are fat people, it's within the obese population to take these problems into their own hands.. it's called self control and responsibility, true freedom to make your own choice.. We don't need a damn nanny state telling us what to do and not todo..
Like you seriously wouldn't be able to control yourself if the government made these drugs legal?
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Master, you are just simply uneducated on our political system. You don't understand how congress works. It's not as simple as introducing a bill and then boom it's done. You need to go study government. Go talk to your congressperson or something. I can't help you if you think learning to be an effective representative for your constituents in congress takes a month.
I agree with you. I don't support the federal war on drugs. That should be done at the state level. However - they need to remain illegal on the federal level so that heroin or other opiates can't just be brought through customs.
Once again, I agree, the DEA is a useless agency that does not need to exist. At least we have that. But you're argument is off here. You're saying you don't need big government to tell you what to do. But then you're saying the state can make it illegal. Isn't that also big government, or just medium sized government since it's a state?
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It used to be said that if you don't know your history you will repeat all the bad things. Let us look at Roman Empires, and How does the U.S. of A. compare. Every Country had a time when it was 'Great' and Fell because it .... did what(?)
Yeah, because the USA has been colonizing random areas and waging wars against other powerful countries, along with overtaxing its people and being faced with usurpers and revolutionaries from within. Don't think so. Sorry. Please don't make the Rome comparisons unless you've taken a history class.
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To be honest, I don't believe we shouldn't have a strong military, but when the spending is so out of control and are losing billions to have bases in the likes of Germany to have a bunch of horny twenty-somethings from the USA to protect who knows what from a non-existant threat. I fail to see how we're so "dependent" on it. We're spending $100 billion / yr to maintain hundreds of bases in foreign countries, whilst we can't even control our own problems. So whats the point? America has many, many things to fix before they even consider fixing somebody else's problems. Problems that don't exist, anyway.
Do we really think that Japan or Germany will be invaded anytime soon? Will China really suddenly invade us just because we cut a few billion (which is, all things considered; pocket change) from the military budget? The money wasted on all that needs to be put at a better use.
Thank you for articulating a sensible argument. Anyway, what sivis meant is our economic interests are furthered by our global military presence. Look at the Strait of Hormuz crisis right now. That is the BEST example of an ongoing situation showing why we need to have bases in other countries to project power. Iran is saying they are going to close it up. They know damn well they don't have the naval power to blockade it because the US Fifth Fleet is stationed right in Bahrain, along with US army/air force bases in Saudi Arabia, UAE, Oman, Kuwait, etc. If Ron Paul had his way, and we had no naval basing around the world or armies, Iran would cut that strait off, and then something like 20-30 percent of the world's oil supply is gone. Do you see why projecting power is necessary? The troops in Germany help us with bargaining power with Europe along with muscle against Russia. Same with the ones in South Korea, though that muscle is directed at North Korea and China secondarily.
I am not against cutting the military budget. I see no problem with cutting even 15 percent out of the current 800 billion dollars we spend every year. We need to continue investing in new weapons systems, preparing to build new warships, etc. But do we need to scrap perfectly good aircraft carriers just because they were built in the 90s? No. We can keep them in active service and maybe build the newer ones at a much slower pace. Those are the types of things we need to look into. Not cutting our global military presence and crashing our economy.
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QUOTE (GrandMaster Smith @ Saturday, Dec 31 2011, 09:34)
Why exactly do we need bases in other countries trying to police them? We have our own country that's fallen into a giant hole, we need to worry about us and stop wasting money.
Your complete absence of understanding of even the rudimentary basics of foreign policy are often your undoing when it comes to debates like this. Like Dr. Paul himself, you seem to have no grasp of the idea about exactly how dependent the United States is on maintaining positive, often aggressivist relationships with other nations. An isolationist United States would collapse into petty, squabbling micro-federations within a decade.
Can you explain this for me in more detail?
To be honest, I don't believe we shouldn't have a strong military, but when the spending is so out of control and are losing billions to have bases in the likes of Germany to have a bunch of horny twenty-somethings from the USA to protect who knows what from a non-existant threat. I fail to see how we're so "dependent" on it. We're spending $100 billion / yr to maintain hundreds of bases in foreign countries, whilst we can't even control our own problems. So whats the point? America has many, many things to fix before they even consider fixing somebody else's problems. Problems that don't exist, anyway.
Do we really think that Japan or Germany will be invaded anytime soon? Will China really suddenly invade us just because we cut a few billion (which is, all things considered; pocket change) from the military budget? The money wasted on all that needs to be put at a better use.
You're totally right Killa. I don't see how America would 'collapse' into squabbling mirco-federtions (this sounds like civil war or total political grid lock, which is absurd) if it withdrew its troop from unnecessary places? I'm not going to list all the countries because they're already quoted above, but America's holding onto it's innumerate bases is simply modern imperialism. There is no defensive strategy in having bases in Germany when Russia isn't going to invade; Japan even less.
At the most it would result in less influence for America - we aren't talking about retreating from every corner of the globe, but if cuts are needed, why not obsolete bases? This attitude that America withdrawing from some quiet corner of South America or wherever would obliterate it is exactly the kind of stupid, backward attitude which has America in a cycle of interventionism and occupation which is a draw of resources and ultimately painting the US as the world's pariah; these policies invite extremist hate.
