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QUOTE (Senex Iunior @ Thursday, Dec 8 2011, 22:24)
QUOTE (visionist @ Thursday, Dec 8 2011, 16:10)
If it puts Americans off Slushboxes, then I'm all for Ballsack shifters.
I think we'd be less averse to manuals if we drove on the left side of the road and weren't so damn lazy.
Still, clutchless manuals ftw. All the control without the responsibility.
Whenever I hear clutchless manual, I think of the people with paddle shifters that slowly command it to the next gear with a noisy thunk after its bounced off of the rev limiter for a few seconds. I've yet to drive a car that changed my mind about that.
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QUOTE (Senex Iunior @ Thursday, Dec 8 2011, 23:24)
QUOTE (visionist @ Thursday, Dec 8 2011, 16:10)
If it puts Americans off Slushboxes, then I'm all for Ballsack shifters.
I think we'd be less averse to manuals if we drove on the left side of the road and weren't so damn lazy.
Not really sure how the side of the road we're driving on dictates americans not driving manuals as much. Since the majority of people in the world are right handed, I don't see how having a shifter on our left side is going to make us want to drive a manual more. I have no desire to drive a RHD car unless it has an external-mounted shifter like this.
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For most people, it's easier to control the steering wheel with your right hand. I think that had we stayed RHD, more people would use manuals; manuals are just an "inconvenience" to new LHD drivers.
As for clutchless manuals, I'm referring more to Sequentronic-like gearshift systems. Not a fan of paddle shifters either.
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QUOTE (Senex Iunior @ Thursday, Dec 8 2011, 23:59)
For most people, it's easier to control the steering wheel with your right hand. I think that had we stayed RHD, more people would use manuals; manuals just an "inconvenience" to new LHD drivers.
Spinning a wheel is pretty straight forward. But with how f*cking retarded my left arm is, I couldn't imagine trying to shift gears with it. I can steer fine with either hand, but there are some things my left arm/hand can't do. That includes throwing anything, writing, or shifting gears. Only manual I've driven is my father's 01 Silverado 2500HD and that was fairly fun.
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QUOTE (Tuff Luv Capo @ Friday, Dec 9 2011, 04:58)
Whenever I hear clutchless manual, I think of the people with paddle shifters that slowly command it to the next gear with a noisy thunk after its bounced off of the rev limiter for a few seconds. I've yet to drive a car that changed my mind about that.
You mean the sluggish, jerky automated manual transmissions? They're universally awful, agreed, but there are good clutchless, non-automatic transmissions out there. Mostly used in the racing world, mind you. Tend to use dog clutches instead of slipper ones, which means, whilst technically they do have a clutch, it's not operated by the driver in the same way a conventional one is. Besides, isn't an automatic transfer box basically a fluid clutch anyway? The idea of "clutchless" doesn't really make sense to me.
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QUOTE (leik oh em jeez! @ Friday, Dec 9 2011, 01:49)
QUOTE (Senex Iunior @ Thursday, Dec 8 2011, 23:59)
For most people, it's easier to control the steering wheel with your right hand. I think that had we stayed RHD, more people would use manuals; manuals just an "inconvenience" to new LHD drivers.
Spinning a wheel is pretty straight forward. But with how f*cking retarded my left arm is, I couldn't imagine trying to shift gears with it. I can steer fine with either hand, but there are some things my left arm/hand can't do. That includes throwing anything, writing, or shifting gears. Only manual I've driven is my father's 01 Silverado 2500HD and that was fairly fun.
Yeah, a wheel only goes two ways. Shifting can be a bit more complicated, especially on high gear trans in trucks where you're constantly range shifting or splitting or shifting 2 speed rear ends.
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The problem with Sequentials is exactly that; you're stuck shifting back & forth through a fixed order of gears, as opposed to a MK1 Manual which lets you engage any ratio as you see fit. The solution lies in the past; Porsche (Sportomatic), Volkswagen (Autostick), Saab (Sensonic) and even Ferrari (Valeo) used to offer boxes with a traditional stick in a standard gate, but without a clutch pedal. The systems were highly advanced for the time, incorporating such features as an "Intent To Shift" sensor actuated by grasping the gearlever, which primed the single clutch to swap whichever cog was selected, at a faster or gentler pace based upon many factors: current road speed, throttle position, engine RPM, transmission input & output speeds, release bearing position & shifter position (In & In-between gears). The systems could Idle in-gear and actually learnt the driver's style, adapting readily to it. They even incorporated launch control: step on the gas with the stick in neutral and then slam it into first, leaving a nice sticky black tyre deposit just like a normal burnout. Ferrari even built a single F40 with the Valeo system, allegedly now residing in The Sultan Of Brunei's 6000+ Strong Automotive Stable.
Unfortunately, they didn't catch on: too expensive & unreliable using then contemporary technology. A modern system offering a 6 or even 7 speed gate and Duppelkupplunsgetriebe would give you full manual control whilst saving your clutch leg in traffic. Alas...
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QUOTE (visionist @ Friday, Dec 9 2011, 23:33)
Unfortunately, they didn't catch on: too expensive & unreliable using then contemporary technology. A modern system offering a 6 or even 7 speed gate and Duppelkupplunsgetriebe would give you full manual control whilst saving your clutch leg in traffic. Alas...
Wouldn't that basically just be a slightly less refined double-clutch gearbox?
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...slower shifts perhaps, yes, but only marginally so. The time it takes you to move the lever is the time the system takes to change gear. On The Green Hell, it might cost you 10 seconds a lap, but on The Greenbelt Hell (M25 ), it'l save you a Hell of a load of Cursing.
This post has been edited by visionist on Monday, Dec 19 2011, 20:48
), it'l save you a Hell of a load of Cursing. 
