[Pandazoot]

Sorry just want to take a little break from the politics to bring this up, saw this article this morning.

QUOTE (Excerpt from The Daily Zoot on March 22nd)

SHE SHAW KNOWS HOW TO PARTY! Vice President Valerie Shaw spent Wednesday night at a swanky do at the Emperor Hotel in Maddox. Where she spent her time drinking her own weight in champagne and eating food cooked by the finest Arkiasisian chefs while millions of Zootese people worried about the income tax, which Valerie Shaw and her cohorts said earlier this week, would not be coming down. Valerie Shaw was pictured laughing with fellow rich Zootese people and one insider said he actually saw Valerie Shaw drinking from the champane bottle and "wobbling on the dancefloor". This incident is sure to pile more embarassment and pressure on President Pandazoot's cabinet after the troubles in Concordance, Cornelius Simpson's increasing outspokenness in the Government Sessions and the income tax fiasco that occurred the other day. The party which was hosted by President Pandazoot's Bretton's Liberal Party was for the children's charity, The Rainbow Fund. But it appears this party will more likely be remembered for Vice President Shaw's party antics than helping any children.

Life imitating art.

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[OdDsOcK]

QUOTE (Pandazoot @ Sunday, Apr 15 2012, 17:20)

QUOTE (Oddsock) 1. Should anyone... QUOTE (Codsock) 2. In the event of... QUOTE (Cockblock) Additionally, as the Minister...

Heyyy, you...you changed my name...

[Pandazoot]

QUOTE (OdDsOcK @ Monday, Apr 16 2012, 17:38)

QUOTE (Pandazoot @ Sunday, Apr 15 2012, 17:20) QUOTE (Oddsock) 1. Should anyone... QUOTE (Codsock) 2. In the event of... QUOTE (Cockblock) Additionally, as the Minister... Heyyy, you...you changed my name...

Oh shi'. He's onto us.

Any more thoughts on war, guys?

[GTA_stu]

Check the last page, I gave you a detailed account of my thoughts on war. And yet you choose to engage in mindless babble with cocksock. (Hey, that is fun!) I've never been so offended in my life! tut tut tut, if this were a different period I'd slap you with my glove.

[Otter]

I think war should be handled strictly with creative roleplaying. For instance, yes, my defense spending is minimal - although I have developed space based futuristic weapons, android/cyborg armies, and nukes as per the the in game issues. So we'd be up sh*t creek if we plugged ourselves into some sort of simulator.

Not to mention it wouldn't be any fun.

[Straznicy]

I'm with Otter. I've seen all manner of systems employed in various RP scenarios to handle combat, and the best one is honestly just being creative and mediating with one another OOC whilst doing so. Having any sort of 'system' in place can suck the life out of it.

[GTA_stu]

If we're going to have it based purely on role play and not on actual government spending, then I think we should have a few strict rules. Number one being no futuristic stuff, it just seems a bit too far fetched. Plus what about us nations that have steadily built up our defence spending in order to have powerful militaries, it's basically a big kick in the balls for us.

[Pandazoot]

QUOTE (GTA_stu @ Monday, Apr 16 2012, 21:33)

Check the last page, I gave you a detailed account of my thoughts on war. And yet you choose to engage in mindless babble with cocksock. (Hey, that is fun!) I've never been so offended in my life! tut tut tut, if this were a different period I'd slap you with my glove.

Your comments did not go unnoticed, I assure you. But the more opinions, the merrier.

[El Zilcho]

Futuristic weapons are out of place - we're all in the same time frame in the region so satellite quantum lasers reeks of overkill. I agree with GTA_stu that there should be some grounding in sense, if not a total simulation then slight reflection on your budget, priorities etc.

[Straznicy]

QUOTE (GTA_stu @ Monday, Apr 16 2012, 20:48)

If we're going to have it based purely on role play and not on actual government spending, then I think we should have a few strict rules. Number one being no futuristic stuff, it just seems a bit too far fetched. Plus what about us nations that have steadily built up our defence spending in order to have powerful militaries, it's basically a big kick in the balls for us.

Common sense aids this. If a nation with high defence spending and a militaristic reputation warred with a nation less so, then it would be reasonable for both parties to agree who possesses the upper-hand.

The issue of technology levels is gonna be difficult to establish parameters for. Some nations are more 'serious' than others.

[Otter]

...those are elements of the game, though. Not only are they great, fun ways for a nation with little defense spending to defend itself, but again, they're part of the game.

Come on guys, admit it - I saved all your asses with the Anti-Shaffeyan aggression ray!

[GTA_stu]

Yh yh you're a war hero for stopping that little brat raping any more babies. But maybe it's time to go in a different direction now, and change the rules/guidelines/unwritten agreements or whatever you wanna call it. You've had your fun, now its time to put away the make believe toys

[Otter]

...yeah, I'd much rather deal with socio-economic implications of copyright legislation in my island nation of 1.2 billion people.


...right?


Come on. I can't be the only one here. you're the one who suffered through a "zombie outbreak," after all.

[El Zilcho]

Absurdity is great fun, buuuut when we've got stubborn nations (looking at you Shaffey) embroiled in conflict, we need some reality to ground it or we'll just have godmodding (as the RPers call it "I've got a billion nukes" "I've got a billion and one" "shut up death star"). It's fine for satirical news headlines but since a few of us are playing realistically, it throws it off by having future tech.

[GTA_stu]

Hey man, don't joke around like that. Hudreds of our citizens had their brains eaten!

Yh I guess that was pushing the limits a bit, but it was an actual issue. I suppose a rule should be just because it's an issue that you receive, it doesn't mean you can just write it into the RP. It'd only be a matter of time before some crazy SOB blew up the moon otherwise. But I'm sure we could come to some sort of way of protecting countries that have low defense spending, without resorting to sci-fi extravagance.

[The General]

QUOTE (GTA_stu @ Monday, Apr 16 2012, 17:09)

It'd only be a matter of time before some crazy SOB blew up the moon otherwise.

Then we switch from an earth based to a solar system based system, I get dibs on Mars! Just like Cowboy Bebop!

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But I'm sure we could come to some sort of way of protecting countries that have low defense spending, without resorting to sci-fi extravagance.

Why do we need to protect these countries? It's not my fault that they prefer welfare spending to military spending. If they need help, they should try to ally with someone else. And frankly I want to keep my space and moon based weapons...




fine the moon laser can go for RP proposes, but my space weapons stay.

[GTA_stu]

QUOTE (The General @ Monday, Apr 16 2012, 23:12)

Why do we need to protect these countries? It's not my fault that they prefer welfare spending to military spending. If they need help, they should try to ally with someone else.

Well we don't want to make the game unfun for a large portion of the community now do we. It's about compromise and trying to find a suitable outcome for as many people as possible.

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And frankly I want to keep my space and moon based weapons... fine the moon laser can go for RP proposes, but my space weapons stay.

Put your nappy back on, and get those toys picked up that you threw out the crib! Compromise...

This post has been edited by GTA_stu on Monday, Apr 16 2012, 23:27

[The General]

QUOTE (GTA_stu @ Monday, Apr 16 2012, 18:24)

QUOTE (The General @ Monday, Apr 16 2012, 23:12) Why do we need to protect these countries? It's not my fault that they prefer welfare spending to military spending. If they need help, they should try to ally with someone else. Well we don't want to make the game unfun for a large portion of the community now do we. It's about compromise and trying to find a suitable outcome for as many people as possible.

So what's stopping them from allying with each other? If they need help, they ask someone more powerful to help. This way it evens out, I have a "sh*tty" welfare and public transportation system, because I put my money towards the economy and the military.


It pretty much boils down to this

Military
Economy
Public Services

And you only get to pick two. You sacrifice one to better the other two.

[ryuclan]

This is, indeed, a pickle. Without some type of D&D type system implemented wars between nations are going to be drawn out and probably result in RL animosity. I've purposely made a few of my choices hoping that defense spending would increase and that if my little Island nation was attacked it would at least be a fight to remember.