[human_nature42]

QUOTE (Official General @ Mar 7 2011, 02:02)

QUOTE (human_nature42 @ Mar 6 2011, 23:15) QUOTE (Official General @ Mar 6 2011, 12:21) QUOTE (human_nature42 @ Mar 6 2011, 02:19) QUOTE (Official General @ Mar 5 2011, 20:37) In my view it has to be the Firefly Projects in Broker. It really looks like a gritty, crime-ridden Brooklyn project with its huge brownish-red brick towers and its majority African-American resident population. That place not only looks hard and dangerous, it just feels it too, whenever I happen to walk or pass through it. Most of the black gang members around there seem to have guns on them. For me, it definitely has to be the Firefly Projects. I'd say Beechwwod City and Schottler in Broker come a close second, because in TBOGT you have the Jamaican Posse gangs and the Northwood Dominican Drug-Dealers coming into very violent conflict over these territories. The M.O.B gang sometimes operate in Schottler, adding more danger to the district. Acter in Alderney and South Bohan probably come next. @ DoubleOGJohnson I'll ask you again - where in the game can see these statistics ? I would like to see them myself in my own game. Or are you just making all this stuff up ? Yeah because all African-American communities are GHETTO. What about the whites???????? @ Vercetti27 Thank you for setting the record straight and explaining the modern-day meaning of the word 'ghetto' to human_nature42. @ human_nature42 I must actually remind you, if you don't know, that I'm black myself, born and raised in London (UK) and I'm mostly of Nigerian descent and via my grandmother, I'm of partial African-American descent. I've been to America many times too. I'm not stupid or ignorant, and of course I do know that not all African-American minorities are not ghetto - and there is no where in my comment that indicates that I said that. So I really dont know what your point is or why you mentioned it. I was talking about predominatly black ghetto areas in particular within the game and what makes them feel rough and ghetto, thats why I mentioned the Firefly Projects, because how I described it is just as it is. In most American cities, there certainly are poor, rough white areas of course. But I would imagine that these areas are not necessarily what one would call 'ghettoes'. They would more be classed as 'just poor districts'. I really don't think that these 'poor white areas' in US cities are not as marginalised as the poor Black or Hispanic areas. I'm pretty sure that these poor White areas do not experience high levels of gun crime, gang activity and drug-related violence like the Black and Hispanic ghettoes do. Now I'm not saying that the poor white areas do not have these kind of things going on, I'm just saying that I can't see them being problematic enough on a large scale to be classed as ghettoes. Lets face it man, in the USA, its generally the poor, predominantly Black and sometimes Hispanic neighbourhoods that are truly classed as ghettoes, and most of the time, it clearly shows why. This is due to many socio-political reasons of course. I know the original definition ghetto, so he/she didn't really set anything straight. @ human_nature42 Well I've set my point with you straight and thats what matters to me. End of discussion.

Yeah too bad I didn't read all that.

[human_nature42]

QUOTE (Cheat @ Mar 7 2011, 08:07)

By ghetto, you probably mean the infamous public housing/projects, located throughout the city. I know these spots like my own city, so I'd advice to go to North Holland, East Holland and Northwood Uptown Algonquin, counterparts to Harlem, Spanish Harlem and Washington Heights. Also, in Algonquin, go check out President's City, most likely a counterpart to Alphabet City in Manhattan's East Village. If you go to Broker, check out Firefly Projects. In Alderney, projects in West Tudor by the highway serve as the only public housing in Alderney, despite the low-income neighborhood of Acter.

Right because people have different definition of the word ghetto.

Most likely this thread is talking about the HIGHLY misused version.

[Official General]

@ human_nature42

Ok I now see what you are doing. You're just looking for negative attention on this thread, and you are trying to start some kind of conflict with your fellow forum members to get it.

I was just simply trying to have an open discussion about this interesting subject with you, but it seems like you want beef.

Well, sorry to disappoint you as I'm not getting into all of that.

[DoubleOGJohnson]

Outside of Bohan, people sleep on Dukes but Dukes gets down. East Island City in particular is rough. It's a real industrial neighborhood, but it has alot of foot trafic especially on Hooper. Plus the main shopping part of Dukes Boulevard runs through EIC.

When it comes to Broker, the roughest areas of BK are east of Montauk Ave. When you cross Montauk, its a different world. The only exception to the rule is South Slopes, which only had 5 homicides for the entire year of 2010. Firefly Projects is the hoodest area of BK out of all the neighborhoods in Broker. Firefly Projects has been going hard for years, even before G's and B's. E/S NHG originates in Firefly PJs and alot of the M.O.B. cats who originally got down with UGN in prison like OG Smoke, OG Lo, OG Gift, and OG Fresh came from Firefly. OG Fresh went into ASCF repping M.O.B., but came out repping E/S NHG. OG Redeye started UGN and was the leader of E/S NHG, but he got exposed for lying, so OG Snipe took E/S NHG away from him and then got put down official under me. OG Snipe got 5 hoods now under him including Firefly.

Now as far as Algonquin goes, Northwood is the hoodest. Northwood is right across the bridge from Bohan. The hoods in Algonquin look nice because Algonquin is has to well kept since that's where the tourists hang. But the city left other areas for dead, like Bohan. But back in the day Uptown was worse. Because if you go to Holland, you'll see the remains of a few boarded up buildings but that's from the old days. Holland got cleaned up somewhat. It aint what it used to be.

[Cash High]

QUOTE (DoubleOGJohnson @ Mar 9 2011, 10:03)

Outside of Bohan, people sleep on Dukes but Dukes gets down. East Island City in particular is rough. It's a real industrial neighborhood, but it has alot of foot trafic especially on Hooper. Plus the main shopping part of Dukes Boulevard runs through EIC. When it comes to Broker, the roughest areas of BK are east of Montauk Ave. When you cross Montauk, its a different world. The only exception to the rule is South Slopes, which only had 5 homicides for the entire year of 2010. Firefly Projects is the hoodest area of BK out of all the neighborhoods in Broker. Firefly Projects has been going hard for years, even before G's and B's. E/S NHG originates in Firefly PJs and alot of the M.O.B. cats who originally got down with UGN in prison like OG Smoke, OG Lo, OG Gift, and OG Fresh came from Firefly. OG Fresh went into ASCF repping M.O.B., but came out repping E/S NHG. OG Redeye started UGN and was the leader of E/S NHG, but he got exposed for lying, so OG Snipe took E/S NHG away from him and then got put down official under me. OG Snipe got 5 hoods now under him including Firefly. Now as far as Algonquin goes, Northwood is the hoodest. Northwood is right across the bridge from Bohan. The hoods in Algonquin look nice because Algonquin is has to well kept since that's where the tourists hang. But the city left other areas for dead, like Bohan. But back in the day Uptown was worse. Because if you go to Holland, you'll see the remains of a few boarded up buildings but that's from the old days. Holland got cleaned up somewhat. It aint what it used to be.

People sleep on Dukes because besides Cerveza Heights, and a small part of Willis bordering Beechwood City, it's mostly a middle class residential borough. Yeah, you have Steinway projects, but most of the time it's quiet with the Irish controlling all the turf right outside the PJ's. And East Island City is nothing but a bunch of run down Industrial buildings with a few housing developments.
In Dukes, to me, Cerveza Heights definitely takes the cake for being the most dangerous. When you turn onto Huntington St. it's like a fortress for the Spanish Lords. They're always deep outside of the Cluckin' Bell and if you ever get caught in a gunfight you're in a tough spot because they can easily ambush you from both directions.

I agree with you about everything east of Montauk Ave being more run down. And of course Firefly PJ's are the most notorious in BROKER. They're over hyped because that's the first PJ's that the player sees when they start playing, so naturally they're going to think it's the worse. But you can't sleep on Hove Beach. The Russians will definitely bring the gun play and are always into it with MOB on Onondaga Ave. I don't know what you mean with all that NHG stuff but the only gang that I know in Firefly is MOB.

Now on Algonquin, Northwood is really not rough at all. The only reason their may be violence there is because of the close proximity to North Holland bordering it to the south. All the PJ's in Northwood are dead with normal citizens walking around. Now when you pass Wardite St and enter North Holland, that's when the rough PJ's start to show up. Like I said earlier, the Westminster (sp?) Projects east of Galveston Ave are the worst in Algonquin, no debate. East Holland is more violent than Northwood also. The Puerto Ricans in East Holland will quickly fill you up with lead if you go over there starting trouble. Northwood looks grimey because of the handful of PJ's they have, but in reality besides the Northwood Dominicans, Northwood is dead.

Lol, I know I wrote alot, but I like exploring stuff like this. Help GTA IV to stay interesting after the missions.

This post has been edited by Cash High on Wednesday, Mar 9 2011, 21:57

[Steinway Hooligan]

it gets reel rough down my hood in Steinway, we get some small time fools, call themselves the "McRearys" busting our balls, but we usually sort them out reel fast. East Island City (or "EIC") as we call it is reel rough sometimes, us hardcore irish gangbangers have it reel hard up here in the east side of Dukes brother.

[Hydro_PlayboyX]

Schottler, North Holland, East Holland

[james_st_gsf]

acter is the worst

[WhitValid]

QUOTE (Official General @ Monday, Mar 7 2011, 03:50)

QUOTE (UbK_families @ Mar 7 2011, 02:30) i gotta say either south bohan or uptown algonquin its spots in those areas that look like 3rd world countries uptown got projects that look like a crack den. As for crime algonquin is the most dangerous in stat crime but i think bohan could be number 1 as well. But let me just say alderney is way more dangerous than liberty city as of now in my game acter industrial park averages 2 murders a day alone. Not to mention tudor acter and berchem. For the last time, where do you get these crime stats in the game FROM !! Some please tell me !!

nobody is going to tell you

[copperrobber]

i think it is Northwood(+east -westholland)

because look inside their apartments its dirty ,it looks like sh*t ,its graffiti everywhere, it is gangster walking around everywhere, and everytime i steal i car i get like 3 shooters at me(not cops, gangster and bikers)! yea i think thats the most ghetto and dangerous area in LC !

[The_Anti-tragedy]

For me, it's some areas of Bohan, North Algonquin (i.e. North Holland, Northwood and East Holland); Acter, Alderney, and Beechwood City.

[zoo3891]

I'm assuming you're using the word Ghetto as a crime-ridden part of town.

Most of Bohan (Anything East of Chase is probably more of an industrial ghetto filled with crackheads, and scrap metal collectors), North Algonquin (although it would also probably be filled with the fake 'gangstas' that attempt to gain fame through street cred, and then some parts of Dukes (but in a more middle-class gang setting, like in North American suburbs where gangs are just kids who grew up together, and have parties on weekends).

[Official General]

QUOTE (zoo3891 @ Friday, Feb 10 2012, 00:49)

I'm assuming you're using the word Ghetto as a crime-ridden part of town. Most of Bohan (Anything East of Chase is probably more of an industrial ghetto filled with crackheads, and scrap metal collectors), North Algonquin (although it would also probably be filled with the fake 'gangstas' that attempt to gain fame through street cred, and then some parts of Dukes (but in a more middle-class gang setting, like in North American suburbs where gangs are just kids who grew up together, and have parties on weekends).

Northern Algonquin certainly does not have 'fake gangstas'. There are the North Holland Hustlers in North Holland and Northwood, the Spanish Lords are in East Holland, and in TBOGT there are the Northwood Dominican Drug Dealers. They are all major players in the Liberty City street gang scene and they all got guns.

[zoo3891]

QUOTE (Official General @ Saturday, Feb 11 2012, 20:07)

QUOTE (zoo3891 @ Friday, Feb 10 2012, 00:49) I'm assuming you're using the word Ghetto as a crime-ridden part of town. Most of Bohan (Anything East of Chase is probably more of an industrial ghetto filled with crackheads, and scrap metal collectors), North Algonquin (although it would also probably be filled with the fake 'gangstas' that attempt to gain fame through street cred, and then some parts of Dukes (but in a more middle-class gang setting, like in North American suburbs where gangs are just kids who grew up together, and have parties on weekends). Northern Algonquin certainly does not have 'fake gangstas'. There are the North Holland Hustlers in North Holland and Northwood, the Spanish Lords are in East Holland, and in TBOGT there are the Northwood Dominican Drug Dealers. They are all major players in the Liberty City street gang scene and they all got guns.

I don't mean that all gangsters in that area are fake, I mean that rappers who affiliate themselves with those gangs but do nothing for them hang out there. Like Pathos probably does, or Manny Escuela would do if he was a rapper.

[Cyper]

Schottler, along with its connecting neighborhoods South Slopes and Breechwood is definely the most poor neighborhoods in Liberty. Its the slum, really. Its definely worse than Bohan in my opinion. Its clearly ruled by the Jamaican immigrants, or the 'Yardies' as they may be refered to which are involved in drug- and arms dealing. Then you have the Angels of Death in Breechwood. There is a lot of trash in every street corner and alleyway and a lot of the buildings is in a very poor condition. I have seen quite a lot of building that have their entrence door broken up. There is also a lot of homless people drugaddicts - for instance - there is about a 3 story building in upper Schottler on Cassidy street which is taken over vagrants and crackheads. The whole place reminds me of the Scumhole shack in VC.

Why?

- High gang activity
- Drug- and arms dealing hotspot
- Buildings is in extremely poor conditions and some seems to be completely abandoned
- Some buildings such as the one at Cassidy street is taken over by crackheads and vagrants
- A lot of dirt and trash in the streets
- Population seems to be very poor. Just look at the vehicles driving on the streets
- A lot of drug addicts
- A lot of vagrants

This post has been edited by Cyper on Monday, Feb 13 2012, 12:09

[senor_huevos_benedicto]

Bohan on the whole was a sh*thole.

[CheesyJ]

South Bohan would have to be up there as one of the worst areas, and Beechwood is a very good shout as well.

I actually don't think that North Holland and East Holland are that bad. There are some dodgy areas, but when you look at the penthouse of someone like Playboy X, you can see that there are also areas for some of the richer gangsters there as well.

[Official General]

QUOTE (Cyper @ Monday, Feb 13 2012, 12:01)

Schottler, along with its connecting neighborhoods South Slopes and Breechwood is definely the most poor neighborhoods in Liberty. Its the slum, really. Its definely worse than Bohan in my opinion. Its clearly ruled by the Jamaican immigrants, or the 'Yardies' as they may be refered to which are involved in drug- and arms dealing. Then you have the Angels of Death in Breechwood. There is a lot of trash in every street corner and alleyway and a lot of the buildings is in a very poor condition. I have seen quite a lot of building that have their entrence door broken up. There is also a lot of homless people drugaddicts - for instance - there is about a 3 story building in upper Schottler on Cassidy street which is taken over vagrants and crackheads. The whole place reminds me of the Scumhole shack in VC. Why? - High gang activity - Drug- and arms dealing hotspot - Buildings is in extremely poor conditions and some seems to be completely abandoned - Some buildings such as the one at Cassidy street is taken over by crackheads and vagrants - A lot of dirt and trash in the streets - Population seems to be very poor. Just look at the vehicles driving on the streets - A lot of drug addicts - A lot of vagrants

In TBOGT you will sometimes see members of the Northwood Dominican Drug Dealers (ND3) gang hanging around the streets of Beechwood City and Schottler, which are the main territories of the Jamaican Posse gang members. Generally they get on ok with each other, but every now and then gunfights break out between the two gangs, which can be witnessed by the player.

I think Acter is very dangerous too. That hood is just teaming with M.O.B. gang members, strapped to the bone.

[Cyper]

QUOTE (Official General @ Monday, Feb 13 2012, 22:00)

QUOTE (Cyper @ Monday, Feb 13 2012, 12:01) Schottler, along with its connecting neighborhoods South Slopes and Breechwood is definely the most poor neighborhoods in Liberty. Its the slum, really. Its definely worse than Bohan in my opinion. Its clearly ruled by the Jamaican immigrants, or the 'Yardies' as they may be refered to which are involved in drug- and arms dealing. Then you have the Angels of Death in Breechwood. There is a lot of trash in every street corner and alleyway and a lot of the buildings is in a very poor condition. I have seen quite a lot of building that have their entrence door broken up. There is also a lot of homless people drugaddicts - for instance - there is about a 3 story building in upper Schottler on Cassidy street which is taken over vagrants and crackheads. The whole place reminds me of the Scumhole shack in VC. Why? - High gang activity - Drug- and arms dealing hotspot - Buildings is in extremely poor conditions and some seems to be completely abandoned - Some buildings such as the one at Cassidy street is taken over by crackheads and vagrants - A lot of dirt and trash in the streets - Population seems to be very poor. Just look at the vehicles driving on the streets - A lot of drug addicts - A lot of vagrants In TBOGT you will sometimes see members of the Northwood Dominican Drug Dealers (ND3) gang hanging around the streets of Beechwood City and Schottler, which are the main territories of the Jamaican Posse gang members. Generally they get on ok with each other, but every now and then gunfights break out between the two gangs, which can be witnessed by the player. I think Acter is very dangerous too. That hood is just teaming with M.O.B. gang members, strapped to the bone.

Really? I haven't seen them there I think. How do they look like?

[Official General]

QUOTE (Cyper @ Tuesday, Feb 14 2012, 11:01)

QUOTE (Official General @ Monday, Feb 13 2012, 22:00) QUOTE (Cyper @ Monday, Feb 13 2012, 12:01) Schottler, along with its connecting neighborhoods South Slopes and Breechwood is definely the most poor neighborhoods in Liberty. Its the slum, really. Its definely worse than Bohan in my opinion. Its clearly ruled by the Jamaican immigrants, or the 'Yardies' as they may be refered to which are involved in drug- and arms dealing. Then you have the Angels of Death in Breechwood. There is a lot of trash in every street corner and alleyway and a lot of the buildings is in a very poor condition. I have seen quite a lot of building that have their entrence door broken up. There is also a lot of homless people drugaddicts - for instance - there is about a 3 story building in upper Schottler on Cassidy street which is taken over vagrants and crackheads. The whole place reminds me of the Scumhole shack in VC. Why? - High gang activity - Drug- and arms dealing hotspot - Buildings is in extremely poor conditions and some seems to be completely abandoned - Some buildings such as the one at Cassidy street is taken over by crackheads and vagrants - A lot of dirt and trash in the streets - Population seems to be very poor. Just look at the vehicles driving on the streets - A lot of drug addicts - A lot of vagrants In TBOGT you will sometimes see members of the Northwood Dominican Drug Dealers (ND3) gang hanging around the streets of Beechwood City and Schottler, which are the main territories of the Jamaican Posse gang members. Generally they get on ok with each other, but every now and then gunfights break out between the two gangs, which can be witnessed by the player. I think Acter is very dangerous too. That hood is just teaming with M.O.B. gang members, strapped to the bone. Really? I haven't seen them there I think. How do they look like?

@ Cyper

I took a little while for me to notice this myself man. Up until a certain point, I thought that the Northwood Dominican Drug Dealers (ND3) were only found at the northern end of Algonquin (Northwood of course, North and East Holland). But I noticed that ND3 gang members sometimes appear on the streets in other areas of Liberty City, before or after the completion of a Drug War mission, and this mostly happened within the first 25 drug wars. ND3 gang members would sometimes turn up in parts of Broker (Schottler and Beechwood City), Dukes (Cerveza Heights and Willis) and all of South Bohan. I have never seen the ND3 in Alderney yet, although I don't think they are there.

To spot an ND3 gang member, read below:

* ND3 gang members look typically Hispanic, they have a similar skin complexion to the Spanish Lords gang members. There are two models, one has hair of black male's type and low haircut style, and the other has a bald hairstyle. The ones with hair also have mustaches and small goatee beards.

* ND3 gang members wear: Thick jackets with furry hoods (in red, black or golden beige), puffer jackets (in black, yellow or golden beige), baseball caps (red, blue, yellow), jeans (black, blue), bandanas (blue, yellow or golden beige) and finally, sneakers (black + yellow or white + red ). They also sometimes wear dark sunshades.

* ND3 gang members are generally armed, very often with guns (9mm pistols and Uzis). They do sometimes carry knives too, but this is quite rare. More often than not, if you encounter an ND3 gang member that is armed, it is more likely to be a gun.

* If you listen to a group of ND3 gang members standing in the street or by a corner, you may hear them talk about "how they used to run the Firefly Projects", or "getting shot and stabbed many times before", or "how they miss the DR" (Dominican Republic), or just about drug deals, shipments and other criminal business and interesting stuff.

* ND3 gang members do not have specific gang cars, they can be seen driving any vehicle thats common nearby.

* If you pull out gun at a ND3 gang member or start a fight with him, it is mostly likely he will shoot at you. If not that, he'll either stab you or fight you. Sometimes he may stare at you for a while before attacking you.

To see a gunfight between ND3 gang members and Jamaican posse gang members, just provoke any one of them into pulling out a gun and firing shots. Before you know it, the two gangs will quickly turn on each other and a gunfight will erupt between them in the streets. Sometimes you will an ND3 gang member walk up to a wounded victim and finish him off with more shots as he lays on the ground (Jamaicans posse gang members do this too).

From my experience, they are a very dangerous gang. I hope that helps !!