[The_Anti-tragedy]

QUOTE (Money Over Bullsh*t @ Friday, Jan 20 2012, 13:02)

QUOTE (RockStarNiko @ Thursday, Jan 19 2012, 03:35) After each mission I been checking internet just before sleep/save and after I did Bad Cop Drop there was a story about bridges being opened, but I had not yet done Buyer's Market/Blow Your cover, so should Bad Cop Drop be done after Buyer's Market?   this is my order so far Clean Serene Angels America Liberty Choppers Its War Bad Cop Drop Action Reaction Buyers Market Politics Coming Down But then I thought, actually as soon as the game starts they can go all over Liberty City and Alderney anyways so bridges are already open to bikers lol This was mentioned before. As far as I know Bad Cop Drop must be done before Buyer's Market though so it's just a bit of an inconsistency.

Buyer's Market is GTA IV's Blow Your Cover when the bridge to Algonquin is open. If Bad Cop Drop is done before Buyer's Market, it will screw things up and open up Alderney before Algonquin is open.

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because it is impossible to do Three Leaf Clover until done Have a Heart and impossible to do the Heavy toll until AFTER This sh*t's Cursed and This sh*t Cursed is AFTER Three Leaf Clover

Here's the order I'm talking about.
Call and Collect
Liberty City Choppers
Harboring a Grudge
Waste Not Want Knots
Bad Cop Drop
Three Leaf Clover
I luv LC
Politics
Final Interview...
Coming Down
Practice Swing
...Final Interview
Holland Nights
Off Route
Lure
Chinese Takeout
This Sh*t's Cursed
Photo Shoot
Hit the Pipe
Ruff Rider
End of Chapter
Undress to Kill
Bad Standing
The Holland Play
Heavy Toll
The Snow Storm
Marta Full of Grace
Shifting Weight
Have a Heart
A Long Way to Fall
Diamonds in the Rough
Taking in the Trash
Roman's Holiday
Meltdown
*Johnny does random characters and gang wars*
Actions Speak Louder Then Words
I Need Your Clotches, Your Boots, and Your Motorcycle
Hostile Negotiation
Smackdown
Babysitting
Tunnel of Death
Museum Piece
Collector's Item
Blood Brothers
Undertaker
I'll Take Her
Was It Worth It?
No Way on the Subway
Weekend at Florian's
Get Lost
Late Checkout

This post has been edited by The_Anti-tragedy on Friday, Jan 20 2012, 23:41

[RockStarNiko]

QUOTE (The_Anti-tragedy @ Friday, Jan 20 2012, 23:29)

Here's the order I'm talking about. Call and Collect Liberty City Choppers Harboring a Grudge Waste Not Want Knots Bad Cop Drop Three Leaf Clover I luv LC Politics Final Interview... Coming Down Practice Swing ...Final Interview Holland Nights Off Route Lure Chinese Takeout This Sh*t's Cursed Photo Shoot Hit the Pipe Ruff Rider End of Chapter Undress to Kill Bad Standing The Holland Play Heavy Toll The Snow Storm Marta Full of Grace Shifting Weight Have a Heart A Long Way to Fall Diamonds in the Rough Taking in the Trash Roman's Holiday Meltdown *Johnny does random characters and gang wars* Actions Speak Louder Then Words I Need Your Clotches, Your Boots, and Your Motorcycle Hostile Negotiation Smackdown Babysitting Tunnel of Death Museum Piece Collector's Item Blood Brothers Undertaker I'll Take Her Was It Worth It? No Way on the Subway Weekend at Florian's Get Lost Late Checkout

that order is impossible to do

You cannot do Packie's missions before finishing Elizabeta's missions

The order I did the missions was this

Blow Your Cover
ALL Playboy and Dwayne missions
Puerto Rican Connection
ALL Francis missions
The Snow Storm
ALL ULPC missions
Have a Heart

As you can see I did 8 missions in between Call and Collect and Have a Heart as well as doing stunt jumps, pigeons, most wanted, races, friends and activities etc etc and saving frequently which progresses time by 6 hours

The time span was at least 2 weeks in game time, probably more

Packie NEVER called during all this time

As soon as I completed Have a Heart, Packie called a few seconds later

You cannot do Packie missions until completed Have a Heart

[The_Anti-tragedy]

Looks like we have a little continuity error.

[Magic_Al]

QUOTE (Money Over Bullshit @ Friday, Jan 20 2012, 07:02)

QUOTE (RockStarNiko @ Thursday, Jan 19 2012, 03:35) After each mission I been checking internet just before sleep/save and after I did Bad Cop Drop there was a story about bridges being opened, but I had not yet done Buyer's Market/Blow Your cover, so should Bad Cop Drop be done after Buyer's Market?  this is my order so far Clean Serene Angels America Liberty Choppers Its War Bad Cop Drop Action Reaction Buyers Market Politics Coming Down But then I thought, actually as soon as the game starts they can go all over Liberty City and Alderney anyways so bridges are already open to bikers lol This was mentioned before. As far as I know Bad Cop Drop must be done before Buyer's Market though so it's just a bit of an inconsistency.

As a prerequisite to progress in TLAD you don't have to do Jim's strand (Liberty City Choppers and Bad Cop Drop) until prior to This sh*t's Cursed. For continuity, if Bad Cop Drop unlocks the bridge opening news then in theory it belongs immediately before Buyer's Market/Blow Your Cover, but it seems like a mistake. I wonder why Rockstar left any bridge news in TLAD and why, left in, it's not unlocked by Buyer's Market instead.

[chapapote]

QUOTE (Money Over Bullshit @ Sunday, Jan 15 2012, 10:17)

The reason Deconstruction gets pushed so far is because of the missions which come before it. The Packie and Francis's missions and the missions concerning Rocco Pelosi in particular. All of Packie's missions up until Three Leaf Clover and all of Francis's missions up until the second part of Final Interview have to be done before the start of TBOGT and "The Union Trouble" story arc (which includes Deconstruction for Beginners) almost certainly happens one missions after another. Also Hostile negotiation is tied directly to Roman's Holiday thus locking it in place by TLAD's story. In my personal opinion it works out better having all of Playboy and Dwayne's missions together anyway.

Similarly, I don't get why you broke ULP's missions in two. Sets of missions should be done together when possible, shouldn't they? At least, the third one should come with the two first (the last mission can indeed wait, it takes a while to start, it doesn't come immediately after stealing that helicopter).

Anyway, I think Undress To Kill should be immediately before The Holland Play. I think the assault at Playboy's strip club was the catalyst that made Playboy's mind to kill Dwayne. It could be done between Photo Shoot and Hostile Negotiation, you don't get Mallorie's call right after Photo Shoot.

[Money Over Bullshit]

QUOTE (chapapote @ Thursday, Jan 26 2012, 13:45)

QUOTE (Money Over Bullsh*t @ Sunday, Jan 15 2012, 10:17) The reason Deconstruction gets pushed so far is because of the missions which come before it. The Packie and Francis's missions and the missions concerning Rocco Pelosi in particular. All of Packie's missions up until Three Leaf Clover and all of Francis's missions up until the second part of Final Interview have to be done before the start of TBOGT and "The Union Trouble" story arc (which includes Deconstruction for Beginners) almost certainly happens one missions after another. Also Hostile negotiation is tied directly to Roman's Holiday thus locking it in place by TLAD's story. In my personal opinion it works out better having all of Playboy and Dwayne's missions together anyway. Similarly, I don't get why you broke ULP's missions in two. Sets of missions should be done together when possible, shouldn't they? At least, the third one should come with the two first (the last mission can indeed wait, it takes a while to start, it doesn't come immediately after stealing that helicopter).

The in game dialogue makes more sense if the ULP missions are seperated as we have mentioned before.

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Anyway, I think Undress To Kill should be immediately before The Holland Play. I think the assault at Playboy's strip club was the catalyst that made Playboy's mind to kill Dwayne. It could be done between Photo Shoot and Hostile Negotiation, you don't get Mallorie's call right after Photo Shoot.

With the time it takes for The Holland Play to actually become available Mallorie would have no doubt called you since Photoshoot unlocks the phonecall that initiates Hostile Negotiation regardless of wether you have done Undress To Kill or not.

If your saying that Undress to Kill should be after Photoshoot though I somewhat agree with you and I don't know wether I considered what you said when making the list and if the was a reason for the placings of those missions or if it was just down to my reluctance to put two EFLC missions back to back since to simply switch them would cause Photo Shoot to come before Roman's Holiday which logically cannot happen.

I usually just wait for a few hours after the initial phonecall and then call Mallorie back. It kinda works either way though since Niko could do Photo Shoot, get the phonecall about Roman not coming home, do Undress To Kill before getting the phonecall about him being kidnapped. If nobody can see a fundemental error then I suppose I will change the list.

Can somebody try this order for me?

[X] Deconstruction for Beginners
[D] Ruff Rider
[X] Photo Shoot
[D] Undress to Kill

And see how it works out i.e. timing between phonecalls etc.

This post has been edited by Money Over Bullshit on Thursday, Jan 26 2012, 17:39

[Jimbatron]

As far as I know, you can do Dwayne's missions and The Holland Play whenever you like - I believe they are completely inconsequential to the rest of the plot. As we all know, it's Photo Shoot that's the big pre-requisite.

I did notice an error in the game yesterday. If you're not worried about playing consistently, it is possible to start JP's missions before you have met the ULPC guy. However he still emails you to tell you "the people you are consorting with in Alderney are fools and not to be trusted". Niko still replys back "where is the person I am looking for". Of course, with MOB's list this isn't a problem, but R* clearly missed adding a pre-requisite to that email being sent.

[Magic_Al]

QUOTE (Jimbatron @ Saturday, Jan 28 2012, 01:31)

As far as I know, you can do Dwayne's missions and The Holland Play whenever you like - I believe they are completely inconsequential to the rest of the plot. As we all know, it's Photo Shoot that's the big pre-requisite. I did notice an error in the game yesterday. If you're not worried about playing consistently, it is possible to start JP's missions before you have met the ULPC guy. However he still emails you to tell you "the people you are consorting with in Alderney are fools and not to be trusted". Niko still replys back "where is the person I am looking for". Of course, with MOB's list this isn't a problem, but R* clearly missed adding a pre-requisite to that email being sent.

Yes, it's possible to ignore the "?" after Photo Shoot for a very long time. Rockstar probably bundled that email in one of the sets of Internet news content that gets unlocked instead of giving it its own trigger.

Does the game ever require you to do Dwayne's missions? I wasn't able to find any of them listed as prerequisites to completion in the strategy guide. Can you get to Story Complete without doing The Holland Play? Or without doing Ruff Rider, even? Is Dwayne just a very elaborate "random character"?

This post has been edited by Magic_Al on Saturday, Jan 28 2012, 10:48

[imvasishth777]

hey, anybody please tell me that why i am not able to join in to my other friends games after installing the simple native trainer??
it says"this match does not allow mods", but my trainer was disabled, & some of my frnz can join with their mods, why cant i, please help, i cant login to ranked matches either...(

[Jimbatron]

QUOTE (Magic_Al @ Saturday, Jan 28 2012, 10:45)

Does the game ever require you to do Dwayne's missions?  I wasn't able to find any of them listed as prerequisites to completion in the strategy guide.  Can you get to Story Complete without doing The Holland Play?  Or without doing Ruff Rider, even?  Is Dwayne just a very elaborate "random character"?

Yes, you can definitely finish the main story arc without doing any of Dwayne's missions. The only thing I can think of that he unlocks is the potential Cherise random encounter. I think I deliberately avoided them when going for the "Liberty City Minute" achievement, or whatever it's called, where you have to complete the main story in under 30 hours or something. You don't have to do No 1 either - so if you're trying to blast through the missions quickly (not that it is my preffered style), you can reduce the number of friends ringing you up all the time.

This post has been edited by Jimbatron on Sunday, Jan 29 2012, 09:22

[The_Anti-tragedy]

QUOTE (Magic_Al @ Saturday, Jan 28 2012, 10:45)

Does the game ever require you to do Dwayne's missions? I wasn't able to find any of them listed as prerequisites to completion in the strategy guide. Can you get to Story Complete without doing The Holland Play? Or without doing Ruff Rider, even? Is Dwayne just a very elaborate "random character"?

On the mission tree on WikiGTA for GTA IV, Dwayne's missions are not required for the storyline, not even the Holland Play. You only need to do Deconstruction and Photo Shoot in Playboy's and Dwayne's missions.

The problem is, GTA Wiki says that ...The Holland Play is a pre-requisite for "That Special Someone", so I don't know which one is right. Can someone play the game out and not do Dwayne's missions (But you do Photo Shoot) and see how far you'll go? My GTA IV disc ran out.

[Money Over Bullshit]

QUOTE (Jimbatron @ Sunday, Jan 29 2012, 09:20)

QUOTE (Magic_Al @ Saturday, Jan 28 2012, 10:45) Does the game ever require you to do Dwayne's missions?  I wasn't able to find any of them listed as prerequisites to completion in the strategy guide.  Can you get to Story Complete without doing The Holland Play?  Or without doing Ruff Rider, even?  Is Dwayne just a very elaborate "random character"? Yes, you can definitely finish the main story arc without doing any of Dwayne's missions. The only thing I can think of that he unlocks is the potential Cherise random encounter. I think I deliberately avoided them when going for the "Liberty City Minute" achievement, or whatever it's called, where you have to complete the main story in under 30 hours or something. You don't have to do No 1 either - so if you're trying to blast through the missions quickly (not that it is my preffered style), you can reduce the number of friends ringing you up all the time.

Very interesting.

I just remembered I said I would switch Photo Shoot and Undress to Kill... I'll get right on that now.

[Jimbatron]

QUOTE (The_Anti-tragedy @ Thursday, Feb 2 2012, 00:37)

QUOTE (Magic_Al @ Saturday, Jan 28 2012, 10:45) Does the game ever require you to do Dwayne's missions?  I wasn't able to find any of them listed as prerequisites to completion in the strategy guide.  Can you get to Story Complete without doing The Holland Play?  Or without doing Ruff Rider, even?  Is Dwayne just a very elaborate "random character"? On the mission tree on WikiGTA for GTA IV, Dwayne's missions are not required for the storyline, not even the Holland Play. You only need to do Deconstruction and Photo Shoot in Playboy's and Dwayne's missions. The problem is, GTA Wiki says that ...The Holland Play is a pre-requisite for "That Special Someone", so I don't know which one is right. Can someone play the game out and not do Dwayne's missions (But you do Photo Shoot) and see how far you'll go? My GTA IV disc ran out.

GTA Wiki is wrong. You can finish the story without completing "The Holland Play" (and "Ruff Rider" and "Undress to Kill").

[mistuhangova]

im tryin this trinity sh*t out. and I just realized when I finished deconstruction ..a mission from playboy x, that he was blabbin on nd about Yusuf and how they would take control of that construction site and whatever... wouldn't this come before of any yusuf's, missions in tbogt?

[Jimbatron]

QUOTE (mistuhangova @ Wednesday, Mar 7 2012, 02:31)

im tryin this trinity sh*t out. and I just realized when I finished deconstruction ..a mission from playboy x, that he was blabbin on nd about Yusuf and how they would take control of that construction site and whatever... wouldn't this come before of any yusuf's, missions in tbogt?

It seems likely that "Deconstruction for Begginners" should happen after "Caught with your pants down" because in IV it is suggested Yusuf shuts down the site after the union mob are killed by Niko - although he could just have being feeding Playboy X that story to fob him off. As far as I know, there is no proof that it has to be done before or after Yusuf's missions - you can do it when you like and get a consistent playthrough. The only TBOGT missions that it must come before by implication are "Ladies Night" and "Ladies Half Price".

[Phoenixlee]

Thanks for that, it's much appreciated！

[mistuhangova]

QUOTE (Jimbatron @ Sunday, Mar 11 2012, 19:59)

QUOTE (mistuhangova @ Wednesday, Mar 7 2012, 02:31) im tryin this trinity sh*t out. and I just realized when I finished deconstruction ..a mission from playboy x, that he was blabbin on nd about Yusuf and how they would take control of that construction site and whatever... wouldn't this come before of any yusuf's, missions in tbogt? It seems likely that "Deconstruction for Begginners" should happen after "Caught with your pants down" because in IV it is suggested Yusuf shuts down the site after the union mob are killed by Niko - although he could just have being feeding Playboy X that story to fob him off. As far as I know, there is no proof that it has to be done before or after Yusuf's missions - you can do it when you like and get a consistent playthrough. The only TBOGT missions that it must come before by implication are "Ladies Night" and "Ladies Half Price".

Playboy x said yusuf was coming to America , .. implying he want even in liberty city yet...

[Money Over Bullshit]

QUOTE (mistuhangova @ Tuesday, Mar 13 2012, 15:55)

QUOTE (Jimbatron @ Sunday, Mar 11 2012, 19:59) QUOTE (mistuhangova @ Wednesday, Mar 7 2012, 02:31) im tryin this trinity sh*t out. and I just realized when I finished deconstruction ..a mission from playboy x, that he was blabbin on nd about Yusuf and how they would take control of that construction site and whatever... wouldn't this come before of any yusuf's, missions in tbogt? It seems likely that "Deconstruction for Begginners" should happen after "Caught with your pants down" because in IV it is suggested Yusuf shuts down the site after the union mob are killed by Niko - although he could just have being feeding Playboy X that story to fob him off. As far as I know, there is no proof that it has to be done before or after Yusuf's missions - you can do it when you like and get a consistent playthrough. The only TBOGT missions that it must come before by implication are "Ladies Night" and "Ladies Half Price". Playboy x said yusuf was coming to America , .. implying he want even in liberty city yet...

You're wrong in what you're saying there... Playboy never states Yusuf has not yet arrived in America.

[Lthewlis12]

intresting

[asitsaysinthebook]

Pretty darn cool! Well put together!