[Ilovevicecity324]

I found this movie on youtube that I thought was pretty interesting. Apparently, the person who posted the movie, found a part in GTA III where Claude actually does speak in the game at one time. It's where he jacks a car from a person and he says "Get out of the car" when he steals the car. It's right here, I don't know if it's real or fake- but it seemed pretty real to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vs4rlvzEizM&feature=related

[stef_92]

We've been known this video for a long time. And I bet the audio was edited by someone just to conv\fuse the people!

[Gundog]

This is already known. It's most likely edited, since the audio is from the car thief ped from GTA2. They most likely used thief voices during VERY VERY early stages of III.

Also, to clear it up. Claude isn't a mute, he just refuses to speak.

[bobgtafan]

QUOTE (Gundog @ May 1 2009, 16:14)

This is already known. It's most likely edited, since the audio is from the car thief ped from GTA2. They most likely used thief voices during VERY VERY early stages of III. Also, to clear it up. Claude isn't a mute, he just refuses to speak.

Then why did Carl call him a snake tonuged mute?

[stef_92]

Because he wanted to make him angry

[Gundog]

QUOTE (bobgtafan @ May 2 2009, 22:03)

QUOTE (Gundog @ May 1 2009, 16:14) This is already known. It's most likely edited, since the audio is from the car thief ped from GTA2. They most likely used thief voices during VERY VERY early stages of III. Also, to clear it up. Claude isn't a mute, he just refuses to speak. Then why did Carl call him a snake tonuged mute?

Tell me, since when is an uneducated gang banger's foul mouth called proof?

Jesus, Carl saw the guy for 5 seconds, and after those 5 seconds, he sh*t himself and ran away. He called him a "mute asshole" simply because the two never engaged in a conversation.

[Dark_side646]

CJ called him "mute" because he was angry at Claude for screwing him up and giving him a run-down pile-up in place of a garage, like CJ was promised. Like Gundog said, it was CJ's foul-mouthing because he was angry at Claude. Is that a "concrete proof" of Claude being mute? Hell of a proof you got there R*.

This post has been edited by Dark_side646 on Thursday, May 14 2009, 18:34

[DiscoverProject]

I don't know if he is a mute or not. When he gets hit by a car, you can hear him getting hit by it. A simple gasp. But I don't know why R* didn't put Claude in the credits. Whats his face played Tommy in Vice City and that same guy did the yelling, getting hit by car, gasping or whatever that's not in a cut scene and same with San Andreas relating to Carl.

[Dark_side646]

I guess they could only put him in the credits if he had done some actual talking. Thats the same reason why the Old Oriental Gentleman (Donald Love's friend) wasn't put in the credits either. Besides, I hardly think R* would say "Special thanks to Mr. xyz for taking some time and gasping for us".

As for Tommy and CJ, not only were their shouts of pain (when they fall or get hit) more vocal but they have actual voice actors who actually talk in the cutscenes. Something I don't remember Claude's voice-actor (if any) to be doing.

[MasterK]

I always thought Claude is mute in III because Catalina shot him

[Dark_side646]

QUOTE (MasterK @ May 15 2009, 14:50)

I always thought Claude is mute in III because Catalina shot him

Ineresting. Did she shoot him in SA too?

[DiscoverProject]

QUOTE (Dark_side646 @ May 15 2009, 09:53)

I guess they could only put him in the credits if he had done some actual talking. Thats the same reason why the Old Oriental Gentleman (Donald Love's friend) wasn't put in the credits either. Besides, I hardly think R* would say "Special thanks to Mr. xyz for taking some time and gasping for us". As for Tommy and CJ, not only were their shouts of pain (when they fall or get hit) more vocal but they have actual voice actors who actually talk in the cutscenes. Something I don't remember Claude's voice-actor (if any) to be doing.

It would be nice if I actually work R* and tell you guys around here. I bet I would be pretty popular. But if I would get fired giving out any information.

[Gundog]

He most likely is capable of audible speech, but probably can't be arsed to do so. Can't it be simple as that?

Like "Last Requests" for example, when Maria told him she sold him out, he wanted to ask why, and even spread his hands in curiosity, but Maria told him not to ask before he had a chance to do so.

He is a talking character, although he just doesn't talk?

It's kinda stupid to come up with crazy theories like Catalina's gunshot destroyed his voice box, or that someone cut his tongue off.

There is proof for both of these. First off, Catalina says "I left you pouring your heart out in the gutter!", which clearly means she shot him in the chest/heart. Second, wouldn't he have a huge scar on his neck if he was shot in the neck?

For the tongue amputation... Well, he wouldn't be able to grunt and moan when he falls or gets shot if he didn't have a tongue, now would he?

You just have to THINK to clear these silly theories.

[Dark_side646]

I hardly consider someone avoiding something so common like speech to be simple. When it comes to theories, saying that "he can't be arsed to talk" is like saying speech is a burden and people should avoid it. Also, I believe grunts aren't made through the tongue but through the larynx/voice box/throat/whatever. If mutes can't grunt, does this mean that they can't breathe?

As for Maria's line then a desparate plea from a scared girl who screwed Claude up big time holds as much credit as the foul-mouthing of a guy who Claude screwed up big time. Oh, and shouldn't her line in Chatterbox (He's always working and 'hangin out' with guys) account for something?

Now, Claude obeys the person, who kills his chances of being a made-man in Portland's most powerful gang (with a lie, for that matter), to not even question her actions; let alone drag her to Sal and make her spit out the truth. Not only that, he gets multiple chances of saying,"FU Catalina" or "Shut up Maria" (I mean, who wouldn't) but doesn't. In this case, it'll be right to say that he DOES have a tongue but lacks a brain and is intimidated by both women. I'd like to think otherwise, since it gives him some credibility.

You theory holds credit, no doubt about that. Our theories are like Darwinism. There's no proof either way but it helps us understand things better.

This post has been edited by Dark_side646 on Tuesday, May 19 2009, 19:31

[DiscoverProject]

QUOTE (DiscoverProject @ May 15 2009, 15:46)

QUOTE (Dark_side646 @ May 15 2009, 09:53) I guess they could only put him in the credits if he had done some actual talking. Thats the same reason why the Old Oriental Gentleman (Donald Love's friend) wasn't put in the credits either. Besides, I hardly think R* would say "Special thanks to Mr. xyz for taking some time and gasping for us". As for Tommy and CJ, not only were their shouts of pain (when they fall or get hit) more vocal but they have actual voice actors who actually talk in the cutscenes. Something I don't remember Claude's voice-actor (if any) to be doing. It would be nice if I actually work R* and tell you guys around here. I bet I would be pretty popular. But if I would get fired giving out any information.

Anybody have a clue what I said?

[atsike7]

QUOTE (Dark_side646 @ May 15 2009, 17:11)

QUOTE (MasterK @ May 15 2009, 14:50) I always thought Claude is mute in III because Catalina shot him  Ineresting. Did she shoot him in SA too?

You could only see Claude in SA very short time and why would he even speak and with who? Maybe he could talk in SA...

[DiscoverProject]

QUOTE (atsike7 @ May 19 2009, 18:56)

QUOTE (Dark_side646 @ May 15 2009, 17:11) QUOTE (MasterK @ May 15 2009, 14:50) I always thought Claude is mute in III because Catalina shot him  Ineresting. Did she shoot him in SA too? You could only see Claude in SA very short time and why would he even speak and with who? Maybe he could talk in SA...

Yes, when I first played it I hoped that Claude would speak to CJ or Catalina, but I didn't know he's name was Claude until she phoned CJ later in the game. But I already knew that before it came out.

[Dark_side646]

QUOTE (atsike7 @ May 19 2009, 18:56)

You could only see Claude in SA very short time and why would he even speak and with who? Maybe he could talk in SA...

Well, there are some people in SA that get very little screen time and still talk. Cesar's homies, Woozies minions etc. What was stopping Claude? Cat was his g/f, I see no reason for him to not talk to her. Also, a scene where Claude promptly threatens CJ and asks him to shut the hell up for mocking him, would seem to fit as well. At least the people who worship Claude and hate CJ would actually welcome such a scene with open hands IMO.
Anyways, what I'm saying is that there were occasions for him to talk in SA. Hence, I don't believe him being shot in III has anything to do with his silence.

This post has been edited by Dark_side646 on Tuesday, May 19 2009, 19:39

[Gundog]

QUOTE (Dark_side646 @ May 19 2009, 18:45)

I hardly consider someone avoiding something so common like speech to be simple. When it comes to theories, saying that "he can't be arsed to talk" is like saying speech is a burden and people should avoid it. Also, I believe grunts aren't made through the tongue but through the larynx/voice box/throat/whatever. If mutes can't grunt, does this mean that they can't breathe? As for Maria's line then a desparate plea from a scared girl who screwed Claude up big time holds as much credit as the foul-mouthing of a guy who Claude screwed up big time. Oh, and shouldn't her line in Chatterbox (He's always working and 'hangin out' with guys) account for something? Now, Claude obeys the person, who kills his chances of being a made-man in Portland's most powerful gang (with a lie, for that matter), to not even question her actions; let alone drag her to Sal and make her spit out the truth. Not only that, he gets multiple chances of saying,"FU Catalina" or "Shut up Maria" (I mean, who wouldn't) but doesn't. In this case, it'll be right to say that he DOES have a tongue but lacks a brain and is intimidated by both women. I'd like to think otherwise, since it gives him some credibility. You theory holds credit, no doubt about that. Our theories are like Darwinism. There's no proof either way but it helps us understand things better.

There's many silent characters in video games, and all, well, most of them prove that they can talk.

He just does not talk. It's as simple as that.

You do have a good point, and maybe I should rephrase my "can't be arsed" quote.

He doesn't. He doesn't want to. He lets his actions speak for him.

[Dark_side646]

QUOTE (Gundog @ May 19 2009, 19:50)

There's many silent characters in video games, and all, well, most of them prove that they can talk. He just does not talk. It's as simple as that. You do have a good point, and maybe I should rephrase my "can't be arsed" quote. He doesn't. He doesn't want to. He lets his actions speak for him.

Fair enough.