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Use this forum to discuss your thoughts/ideas/hopes for the next Grand Theft Auto game. Where would you like it to be set? What features would you like to see? What features that were in Grand Theft Auto IV could be improved upon?
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 Why The Hate?, On Females...
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I'm tired of people thinking that a female can't star in a GTA game as the main protagonist, especially after the original GTA's option to play as a female and GTA IV's Multiplayer option to play as a female. People are saying that they can't picture a girl whose as strong as a man jacking vehicles and working for mob bosses and criminals... I disagree. I've even come up with something that just could work.
Long read ahead if you're interested:
The Character:
Name: Abigail (Abby) Ancellino
Age: 28
Nationality: Italian/Spanish
Residence: San Andreas (Maybe just San Fierro, the desert and Las Venturas if it can't all fit)
Resume: Travelled the world, knows six languages, trained in the Navy, Taikwando, Ninjitsu, Karate and Kung Fu.
Appearence: 5'8, 130lbs, long brunette hair, strong lean build
Attire: Casual (T-Shirt, Jeans)
Family: Daughter of legendary mobster, Frankie Ancellino and Cecilia Ancellino, and younger sister to Antonio Ancellino.
History: (NOT PROPERLY DEVELOPED, BEAR WITH ME) Born and raised in Liberty City under her rich, mob family. After tragic murder of her mother, she and Antonio were sent up North to Canada to train under a Chinese master of martial arts by Frankie in order for their saftey. After Antonio returned home at 18, Abby moved to Europe and eventually joined the Spanish Navy seeing how she didn't glamerize her father's methods of business. After leaving the Navy travelled throughout Russia, China, and Japan. Through desperation and blackmail, she fell under the work of extortion and assassination and discovered she had a real talent for it. Moved acrossed India and Africa and finally escaped to Colombia where she again fell into the same blackmail in order to survive. She finally moved back to the US after she was convinced by an old friend to finally settle down.
The Basic Story Arc (in a nutshell)
When an old friend convinces her to settle down in San Fierro and begin to live a legit life, old habits begin to spur as she has to face up against her friends' abusive boyfriend, crooked loan collectors, and Venturas mobsters after her brother attempts to start a Casino business. There's bound to be stuff in between all this such as Pimps and Feminists who can only trust a woman to carry their plan.
The Intro before the First Mission:
Passengers are on a moving train as they hear all sorts of grunting, moaning and banging sounds muffled through the bathroom stall. They all cringe at some of the sounds and can't concentrate on whatever it is they're doing. After a final 'bang' there is brief silence and Abby walks out with many eyes staring right at her as she closes the stall.
Abby: You do not wanna in there... (people still staring at her) ...trust me. (or something like that)
The games music and credits begin to roll over an establishing shot of the railway train passing through the countryside on a sunny afternoon. She passes by some of the people on board, possibly some conversations get started, don't know yet what dialogue there'll be but the cut-scene would need to linger in order for the credits to finish up as the train reaches the last stop in Fierro where Abby is meant to get off.
The train finally arrives and both her friends stand waiting nearby as she steps off with her suitcase. They greet each other and instantly begin to converse. The man friend brings up the whole relationship that his little sisters in (the main best friend) and how abusive he is. Of course the friend is tired of hearing her older brother's overprotected preaches. This then prompts Abby to say:
Abby: Well just on the ride here alone, I can certainly relate to having been harrassed to the last point... (or something like that)
It then cuts back to the bathroom stall Abby walked out of as a stewardess walks by. The moaning and groaning begin again as stewardess approaches the stall and bangs in open in a hurry. He discovers a middle-aged man in his underwear with a huge bruise on his head, tied to a rail by his belt, legs bound by his pants after it had be taken off and gagged by his own tie. The stewardess looks in shock as the train begins to depart.
The three converse some more and make their way to the car as Abby places her suitcase in the trunk and the three get in and mission proceeds from there.
Maybe a little extreme, but tell me this character isn't cut out to be a hired gun in a GTA series. She's well educated, has much experience and is trained well in martial art and Navy tactics. All the while she's still keeps a feminin element to her, as she's the average height and weight, maintains an average female voice, and can even get a little emotional under REALLY extreme measures. Mostly she's calm and collected but she is still all woman.
This post has been edited by Versityle on Mar 25 2009, 17:16
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I just really, personally, think that a girl will not work. For the reasons you stated, mainly. A woman just could Not do all of that. There may be some butch-ass women out there that could have lived Niko Bellic's life, but... yea... they can't do that. And the missions you would have to do would be so gay. I mean just take yourself into your imagination for a minute and think "for a woman to replace carl johnson and niko bellic, tommy and claude, what would see have to do?" It wouldn't work, it just wouldn't work, a woman that can do that kind of stuff doesn't do it for long - she ends up in power telling GTA protagonist what to do.  A girl avatar in MP is a wholly different thing than a main character in a story who is female and jacking cars etc... that doesn't happen, women do not operate like that, and I have never in my life heard of a female that did anything like the jobs you do in GTA or the jacking etc - doesn't mean there were none, it just means they have never been talked about for the most part. |
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| QUOTE (chngdman @ Mar 25 2009, 04:37) | I just really, personally, think that a girl will not work. For the reasons you stated, mainly. A woman just could Not do all of that. There may be some butch-ass women out there that could have lived Niko Bellic's life, but... yea... they can't do that. And the missions you would have to do would be so gay. I mean just take yourself into your imagination for a minute and think "for a woman to replace carl johnson and niko bellic, tommy and claude, what would see have to do?" It wouldn't work, it just wouldn't work, a woman that can do that kind of stuff doesn't do it for long - she ends up in power telling GTA protagonist what to do.
A girl avatar in MP is a wholly different thing than a main character in a story who is female and jacking cars etc... that doesn't happen, women do not operate like that, and I have never in my life heard of a female that did anything like the jobs you do in GTA or the jacking etc - doesn't mean there were none, it just means they have never been talked about for the most part. |
How can you say that friend? No doubt that in her travelling years she struggled as an immigrant woman. But this is what makes the character unique, not many women have gone through such a jammed packed life, especially one whose daugther of an infamous mob boss. It's not impossible for a woman to be protrayed like this and replace male characters. Let's look at other women who are protrayed as men's combat equals. Xena - Xena Warrior Princess Sydney Fox - Relic Hunter Sydney Bristow - Alias (especially as she goes on missions and customizes her look) Foxy Brown - Foxy Brown Mary Shannon - In Plain Sight Lara Croft - Tomb Raider The Bride - Kill Bill Charlie's Angles - Charlie's Angles Max Guevera - Dark Angle Buffy - Buffy the Vampire Slayer Alice - Resident Evil Nikita - La Femme Nikita Barb Wire - Barb Wire The list goes on and on. I would have put down Wonder Woman, but this a list of well trained martial art women without that of supernatural abilities. Each one of these characters have had male predeccors all playing similiar roles before them, why can't GTA??? Also, this doesn't mean that a man won't return in the next installment.
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| QUOTE | Xena - Xena Warrior Princess
Sydney Fox - Relic Hunter
Sydney Bristow - Alias (especially as she goes on missions and customizes her look)
Foxy Brown - Foxy Brown
Mary Shannon - In Plain Sight
Lara Croft - Tomb Raider
The Bride - Kill Bill
Charlie's Angles - Charlie's Angles
Max Guevera - Dark Angle
Buffy - Buffy the Vampire Slayer
Alice - Resident Evil
Nikita - La Femme Nikita
Barb Wire - Barb Wire |
With the exception of foxy brown (cute  ) and the bride, that whole list is geek-lore. Nope, don't want that to happen to GTA lol. All of those women are fictional, there is nothing that a woman character could add to this game without taking away from what it already delivers. It just couldn't be done unless it was some triad bitch or something who has killer katana skills or something... but then... you end up with one of the stereotypes on that list - none of them fit the crime world of Grand Theft Auto, NY Miami Wild West. And no woman on the planet could believably jack trucks and stomp truckers, etc. It just couldn't be done. The only place you'll ever see this is the cheesy type places mentioned, basically. And personally, those characters are all pretty cheesy. La Femme Nikita? It was terrible, and she's a spy, not a person forced into crime and always trying to get out of it (which is the trend ever since Carl and minus Toni, who has a girl's name. lol. Antonio, not Anthony, I know ) | QUOTE | | Most of us know that there is no reason why a female could not be as competent at carjacking and random violence as a male. |
Then most of us are in a fantasy world. Women who steal cars don't jack them in broad daylight - they would get the sh*t stomped out of them. This isn't a sexist thing to say - women are Not equal to men in the way this generation has so grossly misunderstood the whole movement, and women thinking they are is what is wrong with them today. They think they are the same as men, not just Equal to men, and that is probably the same thing making you think they could do what a GTA protag does. They can't. They would do it differently. They would be a totally different genre of game. There are some butch bitches out there, don't get me wrong... I'm just saying that it would not work in GTA for the simple fact that there is nothing believable to draw from. Even the movies with gangster girls fail. Set it off, anyone? Good movie, yea, but fake as hell except for Latifa who butch'd up for the role... Maybe there could have been a female in the earlier games, but that would be because the earlier games were more immature. Now though, with the direction they are going with the main releases moving toward realism, a female niko bellic would be ridiculous, basically. It would be as ridiculous as Lara Croft is. Because she is ridiculous. As ridiculous as Xena, which also is ridiculous, obviously. Fake hercules. And all of those characters, all of them, they have cult followings but for the most part everyone knows all of those shows and characters are for lonely nerds and the writing and acting in those roles were horrible. It doesn't mean only lonely nerds like those ridiculous atrocities for entertainment, it just means that was the target audience for them - a wholly different target than GTA. Again, because they were nerd-lore, not serious characters but fantasy stuff. And GTA is not fantasy stuff - it is gangland hollywood translated to games. There's really nothing to even draw from in the way other protags have all drawn from hollywood roles... You would, again, end up with something totally different. Some Xena sh*t... or tomb raider... it's not for GTA. @TC again: Make a list of girls you can compare to the other GTA protags, not just girls who play in "fanboy shows" (that's the genre lol). Then you will have some listed chance. That means, don't list the fake and over the top female versions of thugs - instead, name some people who are actually believable. So, if you can list just 3 females who could play the role of a GTA protagonist without completely changing the character, then you got me. But I think you will be hard pressed to find just one female who could compare to niko, cj, tommy, or claude that isn't already a blatant super-human creation of some nerd writer's fantasy. Even the women in Sin City are too fake to ever be used. Like... When you see "tough girls" who can do these things, they are put on the screen to shine as very obviously over-the-top "yea right" stuff. You'd need to really change the entire style of the game for it to work. You really would. Just, once again, look at the list you provided - all of your tough-girls are totally sci fi and unbelievable - which is why they work (the ONLY reason they work), and why they would not work in the GTA world. You'd need to do sh*t like seduce people and get into that female side of the game - I'm sorry, female gangsters (no matter what kind, be it mafia or thugettes, be it soccer bitches, I don't care) do not do the things GTA protagonists do - they have other jobs, so you would need to entirely change the game... This post has been edited by chngdman on Mar 25 2009, 05:38
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| QUOTE (chngdman @ Mar 25 2009, 05:19) | | everyone knows all of those shows and characters are for lonely nerds and the writing and acting in those roles were horrible. |
I'm not sure about the "lonely-nerds" comment, but I'm not the type of person who has to be right all the time and I can see you're point, you've opened my eyes friend. It's true. It seems some of these roles, most of them any are a bit too contrive, are protrayed horribly and are just fantasy figures. (Especially the girls of Sin City... what a waste really). And I also get your point that though women are equal to men, they are not the same as men are born with a stronger build and less emotional I guess. But that does not mean that a woman can't be tough whether in real life or in fiction. You want a believable tough woman... if there hasn't been, let GTA be the first, God knows Rockstar can pull it off. I wouldn't want GTA to go under the same fantasy that my list had provided, but I do think that Abigail can be beleivable if she is properly developed and as I stated before, it's what makes the character unique unlike any character we've seen anywhere. | QUOTE (chngdman @ Mar 25 2009, 05:19) | | You'd need to really change the entire style of the game for it to work. |
Maybe to an extent, yes. A "few" missions offered would be different to that of previous games, but this is the kind of thing that would refresh the series a bit and offer something new. But basic gameplay would stay the same. It would still be open world, you'd have your procedural missions, collectable items, jumps, same basic game flow, and a killer storyline if done right as Rockstar know how to develop a wide array of diverse characters. The only thing that would have to be changed is dating girlfriends and picking up hookers. But again, i'm sure that something we can do without or it can be replaced by something else. So I do agree that the whole "nerd-lore" thing is a bit ridiculous but I still think a properly developed, female character can enhance the GTA experience right before playing as a male again in the next installment without any of the "yea-right" stuff you pointed out earlier. This post has been edited by Versityle on Mar 25 2009, 17:36
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| QUOTE (chngdman @ Mar 25 2009, 05:19) | | everyone knows all of those shows and characters are for lonely nerds and the writing and acting in those roles were horrible. |
I'm not sure about the "lonely-nerds" comment, but I'm not the type of person who has to be right all the time and I can see you're point, you've opened my eyes friend. It's true. It seems some of these roles, most of them any are a bit too contrive, are protrayed horribly and are just fantasy figures. (Especially the girls of Sin City... what a waste really). And I also get your point that though women are equal to men, they are not the same as men are born with a stronger build and less emotional I guess. But that does not mean that a woman can't be tough whether in real life or in fiction. You want a believable tough woman... if there hasn't been, let GTA be the first, God knows Rockstar can pull it off. I wouldn't want GTA to go under the same fantasy that my list had provided, but I do think that Abigail can be beleivable if she is properly developed and as I stated before, it's what makes the character unique unlike any character we've seen anywhere. | QUOTE (chngdman @ Mar 25 2009, 05:19) | | You'd need to really change the entire style of the game for it to work. |
Maybe to an extent, yes. A "few" missions offered would be different to that of previous games, but this is the kind of thing that would refresh the series a bit and offer something new. But basic gameplay would stay the same. It would still be open world, you'd have your procedural missions, collectable items, jumps, same basic game flow, and a killer storyline if done right as Rockstar know how to develop a wide array of diverse characters. The only thing that would have to be changed is dating girlfriends and picking up hookers. But again, i'm sure that something we can do without or it can be replaced by something else. So I do agree that the whole "nerd-lore" thing is a bit ridiculous but I still think a properly developed, female character can enhance the GTA experience right before playing as a male again in the next installment without any of the "yea-right" stuff you pointed out earlier.
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