[shady555]

People can say what they want, but planes were taken out cuz of 9/11. It was said in a preview like waaaay back when we 1st learned there were no planes. (cant remember which site) Maybe not confirmed by R* but by the previewer.

People DO fly planes in new york. Rich people fly private planes around the outskirts of manhattan all the time, and there is an airport in the game...
I mean that yankee's pitcher cory lydle died in his private plane in DOWNTOWN NYC (RIP).

If you believe the reason is because the "map is too small for planes" then you're crazy. If they didnt want us to get around the "smaller map" too fast, they wouldnt have even put helicopters in the game.

Think about the history of GTA games. They are always the center of controversy. If we were flying planes into NYC buildings, every jack thompson clone would be going crazy trying to sue R*/ban gta 4 even more then they probably are now. it's common sense.

[splat7890]

i think your probably right.....

[Pavlov]

Do you know that this question was already raised when GTAIII was out?

[RidingHigh]

That doesn't make sense. There's no world trade center in the game. It's not actually NY, and 911 happened 7 damn years ago. They've already made a movie about 911, so people can't still be that sensitive about it. How are planes in a video game based on NY going to offend people?

[Goldey]

Why the f*ck do you guys want planes???? The Helicopters will do me fine.....

Thank you and good night. Much love.

[gta_king]

QUOTE (Pavlov @ Mar 1 2008, 10:05)

Do you know that this question was already raised when GTAIII was out?

^^^

What he said, the reason planes aren't in has nothing to do with 9/11. If that was the case all flying vehicles would have been taken out and correct me if i'm wrong but helicopters are in the game.

QUOTE

If we were flying planes into NYC buildings, every jack thompson clone would be going crazy trying to sue R*/ban gta 4 even more then they probably are now. it's common sense.

You can fly planes into NYC Buildings on Flight Simulator but I don't see anyone trying to ban that.

[shady555]

QUOTE (RidingHigh @ Mar 1 2008, 09:05)

That doesn't make sense. There's no world trade center in the game. It's not actually NY, and 911 happened 7 damn years ago. They've already made a movie about 911, so people can't still be that sensitive about it. How are planes in a video game based on NY going to offend people?

wow. i can tell you have no clue whats going on in the world today. 9/11 was one of the biggest terrorist attacks on american soil, and 7 years ago isnt that long when its goin down in history as a huge tragedy. 1000's of people died. Mocking a tragedy like this in a video game in ANY way is asking for trouble.

[derty]

The reason planes are not in the game, and it is an act of foolish idiocy to think differently,
is ONLY because they simply have not yet been coded to work in IV yet.

Same reason there were no planes in III (dodo aint no damn plane), a crappy one in VC,
and many in SA.

They say "Oh, well, one city, we don't need planes"

But that's the excuse... in fact, it's more like

"We'll do one place for the first game to make sure we don't have to explain not having real planes"

People think the dodo had it's wings cut in III for 9/11. Those people are Idiots.

The wings were cut because the flying physics were sh*tty and they didn't have time to work on them.

NOTHING in GTA had anything to do with 9/11. Not even Darkel. But when you get good press
like that, especially yummy negative press, you run with it.

[badcompany8888]

Wow, I had no idea. You're the smart one!

This talk has been around since GTA 3, you're not the first one to come up with this briliant thought.

On a side note, I did like breaking into the Las Venturas airport and stealing the 747, only to fly it into the largest building in the game. Does this make me a bad person??

[numdmind]

QUOTE (shady555 @ Mar 1 2008, 08:55)

People can say what they want, but planes were taken out cuz of 9/11. It was said in a preview like waaaay back when we 1st learned there were no planes. (cant remember which site) Maybe not confirmed by R* but by the previewer. People DO fly planes in new york. Rich people fly private planes around the outskirts of manhattan all the time, and there is an airport in the game... I mean that yankee's pitcher cory lydle died in his private plane in DOWNTOWN NYC (RIP). If you believe the reason is because the "map is too small for planes" then you're crazy. If they didnt want us to get around the "smaller map" too fast, they wouldnt have even put helicopters in the game. Think about the history of GTA games. They are always the center of controversy. If we were flying planes into NYC buildings, every jack thompson clone would be going crazy trying to sue R*/ban gta 4 even more then they probably are now. it's common sense.

Let me correct you. It was "ASSUMED" by the previewer that it was because of 9/11...ASSUMED.
Get over it guys, it's not because of that.

And, what stopped everyone from flying planes into buildings in San Andreas? Nothing. There are still helicopters in the game, which you could easily fly into buildings as well...Use a bit of logic when you think about these things.

But, yeah, Rockstar themselves did actually say it was because there was no reason for them to have planes, especially since it's only one city. This is in the Game Informer issue when GTA IV was on the cover.

People may fly planes around NYC, but they aren't practical. And since Rockstar is going for realism, why add planes that just aren't necessary.

But, this is pointless, because you people already have this set in your heads. Every time I turn around, it's 9/11 this and 9/11 that. People, there is a whole world out there, and you're all scared because some chickens##t jerks decided to attack a defenseless building. They want us to be scared of them. So they pull cowardly stunts like recruiting suicide bombers from mental hospitals to bomb funerals.

But, I digress. The planes were left out most likely because they didn't want to add them. Niko isn't going to be flying around in planes because he wouldn't be. Besides, it is called Grand Theft Auto, and maybe they just realized that it was time they got back to what the series is all about.

[shady555]

QUOTE (numdmind @ Mar 1 2008, 09:17)

Let me correct you. It was "ASSUMED" by the previewer that it was because of 9/11...ASSUMED. Get over it guys, it's not because of that. And, what stopped everyone from flying planes into buildings in San Andreas? Nothing. There are still helicopters in the game, which you could easily fly into buildings as well...Use a bit of logic when you think about these things. But, yeah, Rockstar themselves did actually say it was because there was no reason for them to have planes, especially since it's only one city. This is in the Game Informer issue when GTA IV was on the cover. People may fly planes around NYC, but they aren't practical. And since Rockstar is going for realism, why add planes that just aren't necessary.

1st off, the terrorists didnt fly HELICOPTERS inti the world trade centers, it was planes. that little detail goes a long way when tryin to squeeze something in the game.

San andreas was not set in NYC on a next-gen system, so you cant even compare this to that.

And, why are there PLANES flying overhead in the game period if they were tryin to keep it "realistic"?? ..because there ARE planes flying over NYC all the time. Think people.

[PorkchopSoldier]

Planes, no planes, I can care less.
This topic is going nowhere fast.

[Robinski]

QUOTE (shady555 @ Mar 1 2008, 09:35)

QUOTE (numdmind @ Mar 1 2008, 09:17) Let me correct you.  It was "ASSUMED" by the previewer that it was because of 9/11...ASSUMED. Get over it guys, it's not because of that. And, what stopped everyone from flying planes into buildings in San Andreas?  Nothing.  There are still helicopters in the game, which you could easily fly into buildings as well...Use a bit of logic when you think about these things. But, yeah, Rockstar themselves did actually say it was because there was no reason for them to have planes, especially since it's only one city.  This is in the Game Informer issue when GTA IV was on the cover. People may fly planes around NYC, but they aren't practical.  And since Rockstar is going for realism, why add planes that just aren't necessary. 1st off, the terrorists didnt fly HELICOPTERS inti the world trade centers, it was planes. that little detail goes a long way when tryin to squeeze something in the game. San andreas was not set in NYC on a next-gen system, so you cant even compare this to that. And, why are there PLANES flying overhead in the game period if they were tryin to keep it "realistic"?? ..because there ARE planes flying over NYC all the time. Think people.

The reason those planes are flying above the city is because they are either arriving from somewhere else or going somewhere else. They aren't carrying people around the ONE city, which is all that we'd be able to do with planes seeing as we cant leave Liberty; we'd be flyign around the one city with only 1 easy place to land (where we took off from, and that wouldnt give you a big advantage would it?).

[grekster]

They had a plane in GTA3, which was released after 9/11, so your logic fails. If this was about 9/11 (which it clearly isnt) then there would have never been a Dodo in GTA3.

[kieranefc]

there are planes in the new gta but you just have to watch them taking off from the airport and so on but they wouldn never let you use planes because liberty is too small it would be a waste of time and in a way your write because you would crash into skyscrapers and some ppl would complain but dont think thats the main reson

[rasomaso]

But what if there is only one airport? I don't think it would make sense to fly it and only land it back or crash into something. I doubt there is somewhere enough space to land a plane actually.

[Goldey]

QUOTE (rasomaso @ Mar 1 2008, 10:32)

But what if there is only one airport? I don't think it would make sense to fly it and only land it back or crash into something. I doubt there is somewhere enough space to land a plane actually.

Exactly

People just don't understand how stupid planes in this game sounds.

[derty]

QUOTE (numdmind @ Mar 1 2008, 04:17)

But, yeah, Rockstar themselves did actually say it was because there was no reason for them to have planes, especially since it's only one city.

Yes, that IS the excuse they used to get away with a whole new game, instead of an improved sequel.

[dlx]

QUOTE (shady555 @ Mar 1 2008, 08:55)

People can say what they want, but planes were taken out cuz of 9/11. It was said in a preview like waaaay back when we 1st learned there were no planes. (cant remember which site) Maybe not confirmed by R* but by the previewer. People DO fly planes in new york. Rich people fly private planes around the outskirts of manhattan all the time, and there is an airport in the game... I mean that yankee's pitcher cory lydle died in his private plane in DOWNTOWN NYC (RIP). If you believe the reason is because the "map is too small for planes" then you're crazy. If they didnt want us to get around the "smaller map" too fast, they wouldnt have even put helicopters in the game. Think about the history of GTA games. They are always the center of controversy. If we were flying planes into NYC buildings, every jack thompson clone would be going crazy trying to sue R*/ban gta 4 even more then they probably are now. it's common sense.

consider this scenario for a minute:
it's obvious rockstar set out to improve GTA in every single aspect. Everything has been overhauled from the ground up. Maybe they just didn't get around to working on the planes and felt it was better to put that on hold untill the next game. It makes sense, if everything is improved, except for the planes that would stand out. Combine that with having just one city and one airport and the entire feature would feel lazy and tacked on.
Euphoria enables all kinds of crazy airial stunts (that hanging off the copter is just the tip of the iceberg) and maybe they decided that if they're gonna put planes in, they're going to do it right, but that takes time and so they saved it for the next game.
It makes perfect sense, having planes is difficult to do and takes a lot of effort. Effort they could also spend on the rest of the game, making it better. I can't shake the feeling this series is going to go the same way as GTAIII. III established the basic gameplay and they focused on building a believable city. Vice City added planes, more diverse missions, better art direction and story and features. San Andreas focused on adding more freedom and cities. It's plain to see that each game tries to up the ante in a different area so why would IV and it's follow-ups be any different..

again it's just a scenario... in the end there are all kinds of reasons you can name...
nothing ever happens for just one reason...

[Goldey]

QUOTE (dlx @ Mar 1 2008, 11:08)

QUOTE (shady555 @ Mar 1 2008, 08:55) People can say what they want, but planes were taken out cuz of 9/11. It was said in a preview like waaaay back when we 1st learned there were no planes. (cant remember which site) Maybe not confirmed by R* but by the previewer. People DO fly planes in new york. Rich people fly private planes around the outskirts of manhattan all the time, and there is an airport in the game... I mean that yankee's pitcher cory lydle died in his private plane in DOWNTOWN NYC (RIP). If you believe the reason is because the "map is too small for planes" then you're crazy. If they didnt want us to get around the "smaller map" too fast, they wouldnt have even put helicopters in the game. Think about the history of GTA games. They are always the center of controversy. If we were flying planes into NYC buildings, every jack thompson clone would be going crazy trying to sue R*/ban gta 4 even more then they probably are now. it's common sense. consider this scenario for a minute: it's obvious rockstar set out to improve GTA in every single aspect. Everything has been overhauled from the ground up. Maybe they just didn't get around to working on the planes and felt it was better to put that on hold untill the next game. It makes sense, if everything is improved, except for the planes that would stand out. Combine that with having just one city and one airport and the entire feature would feel lazy and tacked on. Euphoria enables all kinds of crazy airial stunts (that hanging off the copter is just the tip of the iceberg) and maybe they decided that if they're gonna put planes in, they're going to do it right, but that takes time and so they saved it for the next game. It makes perfect sense, having planes is difficult to do and takes a lot of effort. Effort they could also spend on the rest of the game, making it better. I can't shake the feeling this series is going to go the same way as GTAIII. III established the basic gameplay and they focused on building a believable city. Vice City added planes, more diverse missions, better art direction and story and features. San Andreas focused on adding more freedom and cities. It's plain to see that each game tries to up the ante in a different area so why would IV and it's follow-ups be any different.. again it's just a scenario... in the end there are all kinds of reasons you can name... nothing ever happens for just one reason...

Exatcly. This is just the beginning of something big.