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QUOTE (Markwey @ Saturday, Aug 11 2012, 17:14)
WrestleMania III at the Pontiac Silverdome - Hogan vs. André. There would have been no 1980's wrestling boom without the two and especially without Hogan.
This is true.
After all Gareth Croke can decide, since he have been watching for 25+ years.
[@Gareth: Did you watch the match at the silverdome/home?]
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He's a liar, he's a self-absorbed poser and he's a scumbag. And really don't talk about me believing anything UW says when you're believing anything Hogan says. That's called hypocrasy. You're really gonna believe what "DA HAWLKSTUR" says when he's proven liar?
Also please tell me where the great HULKSTER is today. Working for TNA (getting crap ratings and hogging the spotlight like always) and doing Rent-A-Center commercials. And doing voicework for a game that was awful and got has been getting horrible feedback. Ironically enough voicing a wrestler that's fame is now gone and is trying to regain his fame and "honor".
His son crashed a car and paralyzed his friend for life. Hulkster's reaction? Try and get him a tv show. Yeah, the phone calls came out.
You can like him if you want, I don't care. But don't try to act like he's a good person. You don't find it just a LITTLE bit interesting that a lot of wrestlers (who know him personally behind the scenes) say he's a scumbag? Come on, man. And again I'm not saying you can't enjoy his wrestling or whatever, I'm just saying don't act like he's the Godfather of wrestling or that his actions are justifiable.
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Growing up Britain I was heavily into Saturday Afternoon Wrestling, so you had folk like Giant Haystacks, Big Daddy, King Kendo, Dave 'Fit' Finlay and Roy Regal, those last two sound familiar, they should being Finlay (I love to fight) and William Regal. But there came a point where TV stopped showing it (usual kids are copying crap ) so needing my Wrestling fix a relation of mine brought over the Wrestlemania II Video (luckily I had a Video player that could play US videos) during the summer of 86 and I was hooked ever since and yes without Hogan and Andre WWF would not have been what it is now, yeah personally Hogan might be a bit of douche, but you kinda had to be back then, as he still is now.
I managed to get to live show the main event was The Undertaker v Sid Justice, I've even found the card for that event (although I'm sure 'Taker v Justice was the Main Event)
QUOTE (European Rampage Again UK 1992-04-19 (aired live on Sky Movies+) Sheffield Arena Sheffield UK)
Tatanka def. Skinner Legion Of Doom def. Col. Mustafa & Dino Bravo Sid Justice def. The Undertaker (c-o) WWF Championship Match: "Macho Man" Randy Savage (ch) def. Shawn Michaels The Mountie def. Virgil Intercontinental Championship Match: Bret "Hit Man" Hart def. "The Model" Rick Martel "Hacksaw" Jim Duggan def. Repo Man "British Bulldog" Davey Boy Smith def. Irwin R Schyster
I'd love to find a video of that, even to see if I can see myself high up in the stands.Found and Ordered
So no I didn't get to see it live I only got to see it by a couple of months delay but from there on out I was a rampant Video collector, as WWF didn't get much TV time in the UK until about 1990ish, even then it was Sky TV (satellite) which only the rich folk could afford (and still can ). WCW got terrestrial (Network) viewing but WCW was crap, and this was before everyone jumped ship from WWF to WCW, but even then WCW was still crap when that happened.
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Back to AW for a minute. Does anyone find it f*cking hilarious how Mike Tyson is a convicted rapist, and he's in the Hall of Fame? Yet AW makes a joke about rape (which Bryant was never actually convicted for) and he's fired? What the f*ck?
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QUOTE (Ryda King @ Saturday, Aug 11 2012, 20:12)
Back to AW for a minute. Does anyone find it f*cking hilarious how Mike Tyson is a convicted rapist, and he's in the Hall of Fame? Yet AW makes a joke about rape (which Bryant was never actually convicted for) and he's fired? What the f*ck?
If you ask me there is probably more than we're being told, just like the whole Alex Riley/John Cena thing, there's probably a lot more that has been said and done backstage, management, corporate etc etc delete as appropriate that we don't know about or aren't going to be told. But yes I do agree why the hell is Tyson in the HOF and he's nuttier that squirrel sh*t and has a record.
Bruno Sanmartino is right there shouldn't be a celebrity 'wing', and I use that term loosely as there should be a proper hall of fame building or something similar, even if they could put something at The Gardens, New York which Wrestling seems to have made it's unofficial home.
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QUOTE (Ryda King @ Saturday, Aug 11 2012, 19:12)
Back to AW for a minute. Does anyone find it f*cking hilarious how Mike Tyson is a convicted rapist, and he's in the Hall of Fame? Yet AW makes a joke about rape (which Bryant was never actually convicted for) and he's fired? What the f*ck?
Drop it man. Just wait till Linda leaves her campaign.
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@Gareth Croke: That's major cool, that someone has been a wrestling fan for so long.
@Ryda King: Yep, I don't know Hogan personally and neither do you. So it's just plain dumb to make those accusations without even knowing him personally and to just believe in the stories, that some Warrior, Sheik or whoever tell about Hogan. Have you ever been at the backstage yourself? Yep, not, so you don't know the whole stories and the stuff behind them. Dude, I'm not saying, that I don't believe in all of those things, that Hogan might have done backstage. But; "Whenever you're at the top, there are always going to be people nipping at your heels." If someone of your favorites would get to be the top dog of the company, wouldn't they to try protect their 'territory'? It ain't always so clean and clear out there.
"Actions justifiable?" Maybe that was the name of the game back then. You really can't make those accusations unless you were there yourself and knew what was going on at the time and why. You really can't. Outside the ropes, what I know is that Hogan is involved in animal rights activities, so yep, he is a good person from that matter. At the locker rooms and backstage? Don't know, never been there, pal. And about Nick, I'm not trying to defend what happened that day, he was behind the wheel after all, sure, but the other dude, Nick's friend wasn't wearing a seatbelt at the time of the crash. That's pretty much all I know about the accident that day.
Ryda King, tell me this. What do you think that you'll ever achieve with talking sh*t about Hogan and preaching, that he's a liar via the internet? What's your goal with all of this, man? That's the question, that I could pretty much ask every Hogan hater out there behind their screens. It's pretty one sided for you to believe all the crap, that other guys say about Hogan, even though you weren't there yourself.
The feel I'm getting reading your posts, is that you seem to be one of those jaded, one-dimensional people, who don't actually know a whole heck of a lot about the business-people. I'd like to see some smart punk-ass to do and interview with the Hulkster. "Boo hoo, why were you a backstage politician and why did you held people back???". Hogan would put the dude in he's place, believe that, brother.
I don't know who do you think is the 'number 1#' dude in wrestling, but it's cool, all of us fans got someone and I'm not going to argue with you about that. To me, that's the Hulkster. Hate it or not.
Show atleast a little respect dude, after all, wrestling wouldn't be as big it is today without Hogan and we all know that.
"Hulk Hogan and Vince McMahon revolutionized this business. If it were not for these two men, there wouldn't be a WrestleMania." - 'Mean' Gene Okerlund
Hulkamaniac Forever
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Yep, I don't know Hogan personally and neither do you. So it's just plain dumb to make those accusations without even knowing him personally and to just believe in the stories, that some Warrior, Sheik or whoever tell about Hogan. Have you ever been backstage yourself? Yep, not.
When a lot of people say the same thing about him, I don't think it's just made up bullshlt. Especially when it's credible people who have worked with him over the years.
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Dude, I'm not saying, that I don't believe in all of those things, that Hogan might have done backstage. But; "Whenever you're at the top, there are always going to be people nipping at your heels." If someone of your favorites would get to be the top dog of the company, wouldn't they to try protect their 'territory'? It ain't always so clean and clear out there.
Sure. But it still doesn't excuse some of the stuff he did and still does. I mean, trashing Randy after he tried to be nice to him? He's a dick.
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"Actions justifiable?" Maybe that was the name of the game back then. You really can't make those accusations unless you were there yourself and knew what was going on at the time and why. You really can't.
Back then? What are you talking about? So his actions were justifiable "back then" but not now? You're confusing me.
And I can't make accusations because I wasn't there? Others were there and said what happened. I guess they're all liars though. All of them.
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Outside the ropes, what I know is that Hogan is involved in animal rights activities, so yep, he is a good person from that matter.
I donate to PETA and help animal shelters when I can. So give me a friggin' medal. Don't forget, being nice to animals in the media means good publicity. Just because he's an animal rights guy doesn't mean it suddenly makes him a good person. Wanna see REAL animal rights activists?
They're also gay rights activists and help with charity. They've dedicated music videos to gay teen bullying and the disaster in New Orleans.
Wanna see what else they bring attention to? Check the facts in this video.
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And about Nick, I'm not trying to defend what happened that day, he was behind the wheel after all, sure, but the other dude, Nick's friend wasn't wearing a seatbelt at the time of the crash. That's pretty much all I know about the accident that day.
Oh. He wasn't wearing his seatbelt. What an asshole. He totally deserves to be a vegetable for the rest of his life while Nick gets away with it because of who his daddy is. The fact that the "Hulkster" didn't even f*cking care about his friend should show you what kind of person he is.
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Ryda King, tell me this. What do you think that you'll ever achieve with talking sh*t about Hogan and preaching, that he's a liar via the internet? What's your goal with all of this, man?
Nothing. I'm just stating my opinion about him since you brought him up and this is a wrestling topic.
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That's the question, that I could pretty much ask every Hogan hater out there behind their screens. It's pretty one sided for you to believe all the crap, that other guys say about Hogan, even though you weren't there yourself.
Just like it's one sided for you to act as if you were there too and somehow imply everything the other people who WERE there with him said was bull.
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The feel I'm getting reading your posts, is that you seem to be one of those jaded, one-dimensional people, who don't actually know a whole heck of a lot about the business-people.
Whatever you say, "brother".
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I'd like to see some smart punk-ass to do and interview with the Hulkster. "Boo hoo, why were you a backstage politician and why did you held people back???". Hogan would put the dude in he's place, believe that, brother.
By suing him. Tell you what, let the "hulkster" put Brock Lesnar in his place. That'd be hilarious.
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I don't know who do you think is the 'number 1#' dude in wrestling, but it's cool, all of us fans got someone and I'm not going to argue with you about that. To me, that's the Hulkster. Hate it or not.
I have nothing against you for liking him, man. We all got our personal favs like you said. I like Tensai, as shown by my new sig, avatar and profile. I don't like it when the crowds chant "Albert" at him. So I can understand what it's like for someone to trash your favorite star. And I don't mean to rain on your parade, I really don't. Maybe it was a little rude of me to trash Hogan out of nowhere.
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Show atleast a little respect dude, after all, wrestling wouldn't be as big it is today without Hogan and we all know that.
"Hulk Hogan and Vince McMahon revolutionized this business. If it were not for these two men, there wouldn't be a WrestleMania." - 'Mean' Gene Okerlund
Hulkamaniac Forever
I have no respect for him. I have respect for what he did for wrestling. Much like Triple H. I love his character, I love his wrestling, and as far as I'm concerned, he's a legend. But as for the "real" Triple H (aka Paul), I have none. He's a prick and buries talent.
Look, I don't care if you like him. You can like or love him all you want, your right. Just don't act like he's some perfect guy and ignore what he did wrong. I like a few wrestlers that are assholes and I call them out on it. Like Triple H. Doesn't mean I stop disliking their CHARACTER.
Thing about Hulk Hogan though is, he never stops character. He appeared in court with the bandana and fake extensions, man. He's almost 60 and he's still pushing that, even outside the ring and off the cameras? I mean come on. Does The Undertaker go around shopping with his trenchcoat and hat with eyeliner? Does Kane do his gardening with his mask on? Does Chris Jericho go bowling with his Lite Brite jacket?
...Ok I totally would too.
But the point is, there comes a time when it's time to stop the gimmick and get real. Hogan seems to be stuck in the 80's and doesn't wanna let it go.
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QUOTE (PrometheusX @ Saturday, Aug 11 2012, 19:41)
QUOTE (Ryda King @ Saturday, Aug 11 2012, 19:28)
Linda leave her campaign? Ha.
AW also tweeted this.
QUOTE (AW)
@Linda_McMahon : Creates jobs my ass!! I'm fired thanks to you and your campaign.
He's right. She's f*cking all this up.
Which is why she'll leave her campaign pretty soon.
I don't think she's gonna give up her entire career because she's under harsh criticism. She's f*cked up a LOT of stuff for the WWE. Why stop now?
It's like an insane person going on a killing spree and then suddenly going
"You know, I think I've done enough. I've hurt the families of the people I've killed and caused so much damage. I'm done now, even though I'm close to achieving [insert goal here]."
Makes no sense.
Anyway back on topic. Sheamus vs Del Rio has been cancelled for Summer Slam. Wtf? And when (and how) is Ziggler gonna cash in?
Although it has us in its grasp, fans either know or need to learn that it is. Whether it be stories about animal abuse, necrophilia, or reinforcing ridiculous stereotypes, professional wrestling never ceases to amaze in the depths it will lower itself to for a view or a laugh. And, if we don't kid ourselves, it works sometimes.
Enter AW.
We all know what was said by now. It was a joke regarding the 2003 Kobe Bryant sexual assault scandal, an issue involving sexual assault and tinges of racism. It happened on live TV and had to be acknowledged minutes after the joke with an apology from Michael Cole.
And yesterday, WWE handed AW his walking papers.
Whether or not you believe the firing was justified is up to interpretation, but what is clear here is that WWE completely bungled this situation.
An overwhelmingly alarming signal that this dismissal was botched was the lack of punctuality that this situation was handled with.
This joke was made live during RAW on July 30th. On July 31, the situation had picked up steam and had been reported by numerous media outlets. That same day, AW issued apologies to the fans and workers alike that were offended by the joke. WWE announced that they had handled the situation and presented their punishment.
After the opportunity for a few house shows, tweets hyping up and supporting WWE functions until August 9, and appearances on both RAW and Smackdown (with his "live mic" still on, mind you), AW was fired on August 10th.
If the WWE's punishment had been decided upon a week ago and AW just decided to report yesterday, then this situation is more understandable. However, the timeline of events proceeding this indicate that AW still had some job security, considering he showed up on RAW and Smackdown with no change in character presentation.
If the latter of that assumption is true, then the WWE's PR department needs to be given the pink slip with AW.
If the company had planned a release of AW the entire time, then it should have been done sooner rather than later. The idea of apologizing for the incident, letting it die down for a week, then throwing a bit of gasoline by firing him a week later is not all that smart. It brings attention back to a situation that was dwindling in publicity.
If AW is in fact being fired as a sacrificial lamb for Linda McMahon's Senate campaign, then a swift punishment that shows you aren't dealing with this kind of behavior is a much stronger play than what they did.
But what is more befuddling than the lack of timeliness the incident was handled with is the ranging severity of punishment for superstars who have committed worse than a verbal mishap.
Some notable examples include Heath Slater, Tensai, and CM Punk.
CM Punk is obviously the most identifiable of the three and has said some dastardly stuff in his day. His weapon of choice is Twitter, where he often berates fans who managed to work his nerves. His incident regarding him telling a fan to commit suicide over a homophobic statement warranted a long, half-assed Twitter apology that was quickly forgotten.
Heath Slater committed the most heinous infraction out of the three aforementioned wrestlers, as he was accused of choking a female security officer who wasn't willing to go up to Slater's hotel room. This situation didn't warrant any publicized punishment or apology and has seemingly been swept under the rug.
The most recent incident occurred with Tensai, who released a racially insensitive Tout, involving his companion Sakamoto and stereotypes perpetuated against Asians. The WWE released an apology, but Tensai has not made any known apology. In fact, he tweeted another remark regarding it after his Tout:
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"I'm not kidding,driving with @WWEMrSAKAMOTO is scary. Taking him to his 1st Waffle House. He does not believe me,American tradition, he pays"
It is worth noting that Heath Slater and Tensai offered no public apologies or statements (more understandable in Slater's case, given the ramifications) and have not/did not receive notable punishments.
Given that small sample, it would be pretty clear that a public apology from the guilty party should suffice, if not be lauded since it seems to be rare. And with WWE's laundry list of questionable employees that worked for them in the past and current, it would seem that AW did his fair share to earn a pat on the back and a spot in the locker room.
Unfortunately, he needed to be made an example for the sake of the McMahon name. Is it something to be shocked over? Not necessarily. AW is an expendable commodity because he isn't an active competitor. Unfortunately, his kayfabe clients may be inadvertently punished without their flashy mouthpiece on the mic.
But, given that there are plenty who have committed equal or worse infractions that have the same stock as AW, it is apparent that there were plenty of more appealing lambs that missed the chopping block.
This is a harsh reality of pro wrestling, but that doesn't make it less excusable.
The jist of it is that the timeline doesn't fit with the 'joke' that was made, which seems to indicate there was more to it that it seems, so WWE are probably holding information back, or AW is or both.
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Anyway back on topic. Sheamus vs Del Rio has been cancelled for Summer Slam. Wtf? And when (and how) is Ziggler gonna cash in?
Storyline. It's going to go ahead, but with a possibility of Orton in a Triple T-Reat match (as Sheamus would say) as Orton's not been listed for an appearance as yet.
This post has been edited by Gareth Croke on Saturday, Aug 11 2012, 21:54
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Just reading up on the AW situation, it does seem from what he's Tweeted etc, that he's got nothing to hide, otherwise he wouldn't be stirring the pot. I have to say I didn't like his on-screen persona, but this... listen up Punk this is how you do it ... THIS is a Pipe-Bomb.
To be honest the points he's been bringing up are hard for the WWE to answer, the JR/Be a Star incident, Tyson, Vince and N Word, Cena homophobic jokes, Punks Tweets, Tensai, etc etc.
EDIT: There is a possibility that Sheamus v Del Rio will become a Triple Threat match but with Wade Barret instead of Orton as apparently there was plans a while ago for Sheamus and Barret to feud and this could be the best time to start it, with Del Rio moving onto another feud as the fans aren't liking Del Rio v Sheamus and Del Rio has complained a little too much about not getting a proper run, so the WWE might punish him with a slight demotion down the card for speaking out of turn... seems to the flavour with WWE at the moment.
Actually a Sheamus v Barret feud would be good, a little hint of the old rivalry between England and Ireland
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Sounds like AW is giving Linda's rivals plenty of ammo to use. Plus ever since this happened, AW has been getting a lot of support and is now getting more attention than he ever got as a manager.
I just feel sorry for Darren and Titus. Now they're managerless.
) so needing my Wrestling fix a relation of mine brought over the Wrestlemania II Video (luckily I had a Video player that could play US videos) during the summer of 86 and I was hooked ever since and yes without Hogan and Andre WWF would not have been what it is now, yeah personally Hogan might be a bit of douche, but you kinda had to be back then, as he still is now.
... THIS is a Pipe-Bomb.
Barrett it is then.
