[Mainland Marauder]

***SPOILER WARNING***

Before reading, know that this topic is invariably going to contain some spoilers and they are likely not to be marked as it is mainly intended for players who have completed the storyline segment of the game. This is the only warning on this subject.

OK, here's another exercise for everyone. There's no point system here per se; this is just an exercise in finding small, abnormal things in Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas.

Let's exclude well-documented glitches and such. Yes, we know about the pool, basketball, vigilante, gym glitches etc. However, things that can be mentioned here could be located in any portion of the game - the main game map, the interiors and interior "heavens" and even Blue Hell.

Here's a brief FAQ.

Q: What's the point of this thread?

A: Honestly, it's an effort to find more oddities in the greatest game ever made, even two-plus years after its original release. You don't have to like this thread, and you don't have to participate. But if you like it and want to participate, then feel free to do so. Of course this is open to everyone.

Despite a great deal of us having played through the game, with the second release of the game there are likely to be a lot of SA newcomers on here as well. As such, please use Spoiler tags like this as necessary if your nitpick must give away a plot element or something else you wouldn't want to already know before playing for the first time. For SA veterans, think back to what you knew about the game when you first got it and if your post deals with something you wouldn't want to have been told then, cover it up

Although I don't have the wherewithal to post pictures from my PS2, posting pictures of your SA oddities is welcome.

I'll get this started. Here are a few things that have popped into my mind.

-In the Los Santos cemetery, toward the northeast side with the so-called ghost graffiti, there's what appears to be an empty grave. But you can walk over it like it's solid ground and there are grass textures over it. (While standing in this spot, rotate the camera at about a 45-degree angle from the ground to see a kinda weird kalaidoscopic effect with the grass textures.)

-One of the signs in Red County directing you to various locations spells "Dillimore" as "Dillimmore"

-When you enter the west entrance of the Atrium in Los Santos, the location name onscreen is spelled "Attrium" but when you enter on the north side it's spelled "Atrium"

-The (rather effeminate sounding) clerk in the Pro-Laps stores is of the same voice as the one in the Didier Sachs store.

-Large portions of northeastern Flint County are labeled "Red County" on the radar and on the on-screen locations. However, the signs that say "Welcome to Red County" only appear as you cross over the bridges from the second "island" to the first. Similarly, there is other isolated dodginess scattered throughout when it comes to location names on the radar. This, though, is the one that sticks out most to me.

-In Blue Hell under a building in East Los Santos is a floating yellow entrance marker suspended in nothingness. This is the location of the Crack Palace run by a certain "large" character in the game, and the path to the entrance forms at the final mission of the game which is located here.

-Atop the Burger Shot buildings, if you climb up around the burger there are apparently invisible solid ledges that make CJ appear to be levitating if he climbs up on them.

-Customers in Burger Shot at the tables eat burgers while those at Well Stacked Pizza are eating pizza. But at Cluckin' Bell? They're burgers! (Or maybe they're chicken sandwiches?)

There's a few for now. Now happy picking!

EDIT, 3/9/2006 - I will be revising this first post soon to comprise the major finds gleaned from this topic. I thank everyone who's participated.

This post has been edited by Mainland Marauder on Thursday, Mar 9 2006, 19:14

[Mxyzptlk]

I think all these things were covered between the Secrets and Easter Eggs topic, and Vanzant's mistakes guide; but his topic has been archived so I guess more power to ya. Maybe if he has a back up copy he can post his finds here for you.
My contribution:

On PS2 (maybe other versions) The DFT-30 truck is missing a rear wheel on one side.

[Mainland Marauder]

Like I say there are likely to be newcomers to the game with the rerelease that may not see archived threads. I personally don't see anything wrong with starting something over that lived and died nearly a year and a half ago with the original release.

If the admins wanna lock it, it's their call. I'm not one of them. I was just hoping to encourage people to try to find new things. Post anything and it might have been found....or not. There's no cash or medals at stake. It's all in fun.

[i_am_da_man86]

Keep em' coming I like to read up on little hidden things there is so much for me to learn.

[jj807]

This is probably a well known thing but if you walk arround the Back of Beyond there is a hill near the freeway that you can walk partly into. If you angle the camere you can see under the map.

thats all:(

-jj-

[Holmes]

Another spelling mistake: Montgomery is spelt Montgomary on one of the highway signs. - Holmes

[gohan__14]

Don't know how is it in your version, but in my version of gta sa, there's no peoples in clucking bell siting and eating something.

[Thr33]

QUOTE (Holmes @ Jan 13 2006, 19:45)

Another spelling mistake: Montgomery is spelt Montgomary on one of the highway signs. - Holmes

i just noticed that a few days ago.

[MAcSandNinEs]

It's random, sometimes there are, and sometimes they aren't. Also, some of the burgers and pizzas are black/burnt. It's quite funny. -JD-

[Mainland Marauder]

One of the reasons I started this thread is because I am playing through the game again (mostly as a demonstration for my girlfriend who bought the game for herself but decided, as she puts it, "I suck at driving games.")

-Spelling: In the 24-7 stores, one of the "Cherry Popper" ice cream varieties in the freezer is "Rasberry Ripple." The correct spelling would be "Raspberry," although it is notable that this game was produced in Scotland. Maybe one of our UK-based posters might know if this is a British spelling variant.

-This is something I've never read about but noticed while doing the Los Santos courier mission. During that mission, all the drug dealers in the city are the white man in the Rockstar hood. Usually, the black man in the black tanktop appears as the drug dealer in most LS gang neighborhoods except East Los Santos.

-And here's another very strange thing I noticed: If you have a save right before "Green Sabre," check this out. If you watch the opening cutscene (in Sweet's house) closely, there is a brief shot of former OGF enforcer Big Bear sitting on the couch during Sweet's speech. He is visible for only a split second or two, but it's an inconsistency in the story because Bear is shown earlier in the game to be a crack addict and house slave to B-Dup, and you don't "free" Bear until CJ returns to Los Santos later in the game.

Gohan: I am playing the original release PS2 version. This may have been changed in the other ports or in the SE, but I don't know for sure.

Also fair game for this thread are logical fallacies and inconsistencies either within gameplay or the storyline, in which category the Big Bear thing would fall. So offer those up as you see them.

[pdescobar]

First, I have a little nitpicking about your nitpicking. From the first post:

QUOTE

The (rather effeminate sounding) clerk in the Pro-Laps stores is of the same voice as the one in the Didier Sachs store.

That's simply reuse of a ped model as opposed to an unintentional error. If you're gonna complain about that, why not complain that you keep seeing the same gang members wherever you go or that the entire state is served by just 2 or 3 drug dealers? There's already 2 GB of sound effects and you want even more to get separate clerks for all 6 clothes shops?

I have a similar issue with the yellow marker suspended in Blue Hell. You're not supposed to be in blue hell to begin with, so floating markers there aren't really a problem. If you want to nitpick involving Blue Hell, you have plenty of ammunition with over a dozen map holes that let you get there.

I'm not real big on the proposed "contest" aspects of the thread, but I do sometimes enjoy complaining so here's a contribution:

One of my favorite inconsistencies: Claude is never used outside of cutscenes so during the "Farewell My Love" mission, Catalina is actually in Woozie's car. Also, I've heard his cutscene car is not one of the ones in the race, but I never bothered checking on that part.

Speaking of differences between cutscenes and the game, there's also the two Emmets found by Fireman.

[Mainland Marauder]

Escobar, could I interest you in a Valium? Maybe something stronger? Dude, this isn't meant to bash R* or anything over the game (which I consider the best ever made). It's not a matter of me "wanting more" - to this day I am still blown away a game of this magnitude got pulled off on such an aging console. This is an observation thread, nothing more.

A lot of my first ones I knew had been found before and offered them more as examples. To find that marker takes a little exploring, and that's the spirit of this thread.

This doesn't even necessarily have to be a contest, truth be told. This is more an exercise in leaving no stone unturned and finding everything there is to be found in this gem of a game.

[human.abattoir]

nice topic

i had one once but i forgot it -human

[Mainland Marauder]

Thanks.

Like goldfish, message board threads live and die. When it croaks you find a new one.

Here's a logical chasm I had trouble getting across as I played the mission "Local Liquor Store."

How can Catalina get knocked off her bike and then shot at in all directions by a dozen or so cops and not die? (I know, it's just a game...then again, cops and most NPCs in the game seem to be poor marksmen) Maybe I just would've found that a more palatable result of the mission...

[Ray1]

I'm sorry, I can barely read your posts.

How come only some of the letters are in caps?
It should be all of 'em or none of 'em, that's what I say!

Also, I believe you misspelled a few words:

"you"? Do you mean 'u'?

"are"? Do you mean 'r'?

"version"? Do you mean 'vershun'?

And finally, use some friggin numbers, please. I n3v3r s33m to s33 p3opl3s 3s wh3n they're backwards.

7h4nk5 in advance for your compliance in this matter,
Ray

ON A SIDE NOTE: OK, everyone has been way too gentle about you starting this thread. Even with your thoughtful disclaimer in the original post about rehashing and all that, I figured you'd be toast by now. sh*t, Mxyz even offered an argument for why it IS an acceptable topic when he so diplomatically mentioned that it had already been done before. So allow me;

SERCH N00B! L0K THIS THR3AD!


Seriously. . .

I'm one of those newcomers that bought the game only a few months ago. While I haven't found any bugs (that I know of), I just had to post here. I think it was because I could relate to both your interest in discussing the game and your fear of starting threads with old topics. You are not alone, bro.

[pdescobar]

QUOTE (Mainland Marauder @ Jan 13 2006, 22:37)

Escobar, could I interest you in a Valium? Maybe something stronger? Dude, this isn't meant to bash R* or anything over the game (which I consider the best ever made). It's not a matter of me "wanting more" - to this day I am still blown away a game of this magnitude got pulled off on such an aging console. This is an observation thread, nothing more. A lot of my first ones I knew had been found before and offered them more as examples. To find that marker takes a little exploring, and that's the spirit of this thread. This doesn't even necessarily have to be a contest, truth be told. This is more an exercise in leaving no stone unturned and finding everything there is to be found in this gem of a game.

LOL. I interpreted the intent of this topic as a place to point out mistakes made by the developers; some of what you put in your first post were not mistakes, but were intended design decisions and I believe that distinction is important. That's all. As far as I'm concerned, the Secrets and Easter Eggs topic more than handles any interesting details that are actually intended. I wasn't trying to be hostile or anything. I even contributed.

And if you're going to create a "nitpicking" thread, you should be able to handle a little friendly "nitpicking" yourself.

[Fireman]

QUOTE (pdescobar @ Jan 14 2006, 03:17)

Speaking of differences between cutscenes and the game, there's also the two Emmets found by Fireman.

Woh, didn't even remember that thanks for bringing it up . He also has a deagle on the dumpster but he gives you a crap 9mm gun.-Slurp Slurp, Hmmm... Sprunk!

[srg]

Well here's mine. Just holler at me if this has been found already. In the cutscene after you've won the race in the WU ZI MU mission, CJ brushed the body of a ZR 350 car that he supposedly used, when you're actually given any vehicle of your choice for that race.

Oh, here's another one. Why is it that in the races you're always given the last place and to make matters harder for you, sometimes given a crappy car? I' try to think of some more

This post has been edited by srg on Saturday, Jan 14 2006, 11:32

[Holmes]

Cobra Marital Arts, the Kung Fu gym in San Fierro, has "Senseis". That would be incorrect, as "Sensei" is a Japanese title, typically reserved for Karate teachers. For Kung Fu, a Chinese martial art, the proper title for a teacher would be "Sifu".

As 50 Cent was originally set to play CJ, OG Loc was modeled to mock rival rapper Ja Rule. They even have the same first name of Jeffrey.

The rail bridge from San Fierro is modeled on the Fourth Rail Bridge, which runs north from Edinburgh, Scotland, where Rockstar games are based. The road bridge next to it, presumably modeled on the San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge, also bears more than a passing resemblance to the Fourth Road Bridge, which lies right next to the Fourth Rail Bridge. - Holmes

This post has been edited by Holmes on Saturday, Jan 14 2006, 16:27

[gohan__14]

QUOTE (Mainland Marauder @ Jan 14 2006, 02:51)

...I am playing the original release PS2 version. This may have been changed in the other ports or in the SE, but I don't know for sure...

Probobly it was taken out in PC version. Thanks for explaning. And i think that that isn't Big Bear. Big Bear is a slave of B-dump and isn't in OG, unit [spoilers] B-dump move off the grove, to the Ballas hood, and Sweet with C.J. get's to him, and then Big Bear beats a cramp out off B-dump, and he ask C.J. to take him back to the grove.[/spoilers].