[Un3462]

demarest suggested i post a topic with the mission coding related limits i know of, and i thought that would be a good idea. so here you go:

	GTA III	Vice City	San Andreas
main size	131072	225512	200000
mission size	32768	35000	69000
num missions	120	120	200
model names (2nd segment)	200	220	395
running threads	128	128	96
local variables	16 + 2 timers	16 + 2 timers	32 + 2 timers 1024 total in missions
gosub levels	4	6	8
external threads	n/a	n/a	82
external thread attachments	n/a	n/a	70
car generators	160	185	500
radar blips	32	75	175
pickups	336	336	620
last opcode	0481	05a8	0a4e
spheres	16	16	16
car saving garagetypes	16..18	16..18,24..32	16..18,24..32,39..45

btw, dem; you asked about end_thread_named a while back. looking up these limits again, i found that the code for it is present in gta3. so that should work.

This post has been edited by CyQ on Wednesday, Aug 31 2005, 22:00

[Demarest]

You had me at GTA3 AWESOME work.

How come no limit of pickups for 3/VC listed? I know they both have one. I've ran into them both before (by accident for VC). If it's not readily evident, I could put some work into trying to redetermine them.

The 4 gosub levels for GTA3 and 96 threads for SA are scary figures. Still wish I had a tool that could access the thread pointer and gosub pointers

[EDIT]
How about garage limits? I know that VC was one above what it came with. I think GTA3 was 3 total. Or is it one per island?

This post has been edited by Demarest on Monday, Aug 29 2005, 21:28

[Un3462]

i still had to look the pickups and blips up. also added final opcode number for all versions. some of the limits are different still for the ps2 versions, but nobody mods that anyway.

and i never got involved much with garages. maybe i can look those up later, but i'm pretty sure other people have figured out the limits for them already.

[superglitch]

Actually i think GTA 3 has garage limit of 4, i just was messin with the garages in vice and gta3 to see how much i could fit, with the get out of car go to garage get back in car with door open and drive in, In vice city i could only get 4 to fit into a garage, on gta3 i got five to fit but one disappeared, then next time i opened the garage it crashed the game. With San Andreas we should really test the limits, the IPL method. Also on the Xbox version you have to limit the mission size even one over the limit on any thing, it freaks out and turns off the xbox, while on PC i can run the same thing fine

[Demarest]

@CyQ: I REALLY wish I had last opcode last week. I forget what I was looking up, but it was right around GTA3's ceiling Maybe I'll bump into it again. I was asking the garage limit because I know the VC one was very tangible. I would think GTA3's would be VERY tangible simply because its open-ended nature.

@glitch: I wasn't talking garage capacity, which is known to be 4 for VC/SA. I was talking quantity of garages. The reason I suspect GTA3 to be either 3 total or 1 per island is because of the way I've seen garage mods works. Joey's garage, Salvatore's garage, and R* Heights all killed the Portland garage to enable theirs.

[spaceeinstein]

What's the limit for the amount of created spheres?

[Andy80586]

by car generators do you mean like the number of parked cars that can be in the game? you list vc's limit as 185... and i like lists of limits... makes things easier to hack

[Demarest]

Parked cars and made by parked car generators. They are one in the same except that the generator is what the code defines and the car is what the engine produces with it under the right circumstances.

[Un3462]

spaceeinstein; updated first post.

[Hammer83]

For garages (including pns, 8ball, mission garages, car crusher etc):
GTA3 - 32
GTAVC - 32
GTASA - 50 (although in ipls there are 52 )

[Demarest]

I was referring to the limit of car saving garages. I know VC was one above what it came with.

[Un3462]

dem; added garage ranges as far as i could figure them out from old docs and the sa ipls. there's room for 20 garages with 4 cars each in the sa savegame though, but i think that last garage entry is used for other garages which can contain more than 4 cars(?). some experimenting would likely be more conclusive.

[Demarest]

Anything I can do to help ascertain that? I'm still interested in GTA3's limit. It set no limit on capacity, but I would think there has to be some boundaries.

[Un3462]

i'm pretty sure about the ranges for gta3/vc. and i think each garage can save 4 cars max in both. in sa each garage can have 4 cars too, but only 19 car saving garages are defined in the ipls, and there are 20*4 car slots, so i'm not sure whether 46 also saves cars, or that it's used to give some other garage >4 capacity.

[Demarest]

I think I follow about the SA garages. GTA3 garages did NOT have a limit thought. I myself have had 9 cars in Staunton before. I always assumed they capped them in VC because it was bigger and they needed to make sure they had enough room in saves to accomodate them all. So knowing saved car limit for GTA3 would be interesting and knowing quantity of car saving garages too. Any modder I've seen always plucks Portland to create one in Portland that I've seen.

[Un3462]

it looks like gta3 has 18 car slots, and vc 31. what's left then is puzzling out how those are divided up between the garagetypes. which i'm not going to do, but you can probably figure it out if you need it (i don't have working copies of gta3/vc installed anymore).

[Demarest]

31? That's very surprising. Just off the top of my head, I can think of 10 save car garages in the game. Is quantity of save car garages (limitwise) difficult to ascertain? I've read VC can only have one more so many times, I just accepted it. But already, a limit of 31 cars makes it seem as if they'd be independent limits. Likewise, I wonder if that is to say that GTA3 had unlimited garages so long as cars didn't go above 18.

[Un3462]

ok, whoops. i found the 31 number in the vc savegame doc, but it's hex apparently, so the actual number is 49. so 4 cars per garage, and one garage with 5 would make sense.

also, i already put the garagetypes that save cars in my first post. you can't have unlimited garages, because if you use one type more than once, all garages of that type will have the same cars. so the number of car saving garages is limited to simply 3 for gta3, 12 for vc, and 19 (or maybe 20) for sa.

[Demarest]

Ooooh. Limited by garage type. Makes sense. Thanks yet again, CyQ.

[Y_Less]

So in theory, you could have every garage in the game with the same cars, for a bit of a teleporter.