[Garfield 2]

Chris, I'd first make an official complaint, and if this stuff continued to occur, then I'd go legal with this.
Always get the policeman's badge number, as they are required by LAW to provide their full details.

[MikeWh]

QUOTE (chris @ Wednesday, Feb 29 2012, 17:53)

[QUOTE=MikeWh,Wednesday, Feb 29 2012, 13:52] Last year i got pulled 42 times for random vehicle stops, on 5 occasions i was breathalized despite being a non drinker. I got a new car last week, and it took a total of 4 days to be pulled over. I asked why i was pulled over and the officer told me my brake lights didn't work around a corner, i told him that was probably because i didn't brake and as far as i'm concerned isn't illegal. He then made me and my friends stand outside in the pissing down rain to be searched and then began searching my car whilst his partner did identity checks or whatever. I'm sick of getting pulled over for no f*cking reason, Merseyside police is full of jobsworth bellends, i'm as polite as i can bare to be with them when they're wasting my time and yet i still get pulled over every other day so i have a few questions for you. 1. Can police pull you over for no reason? 2. What rights do i have to not be searched in full public view for no reason? 3. Should i seek legal advice for harrassment as i believe i'm being targeted? 4. On what grounds can a police officer search my vehicle?

1. Can police pull you over for no reason?

Yes, they have the powers to do that under the Road Traffic Act - the 'without reason' is actually without warrant, they're able to stop you to find a problem - I've used this power before when my coppers' nose tells me something's not right and I've found some good arrests doing it! Without wishing to offend or generalise it's most likely that you 'look' suspicious and if you've got mates in the car it's even more so, I'd take it with a pinch of salt - I've heard bad things about Merseyside but they're not all bad! I'd suggest being as nice as possible to the officers and asking for a sit in their car if you all fit - I certainly would never let you get wet on a stop.


2. What rights do i have to not be searched in full public view for no reason?

No rights, Section 17 of Police and Criminal Evidence Act and 23 of Misuse of Drugs Act allow public searches, intimate searches have to take place in a custody suite, authorised by an inspector and conducted by a doctor who have a 'no touch' policy.


3. Should i seek legal advice for harassment as i believe i'm being targeted?

Not really, perhaps if you feel it's harassment (same coppers and such) take their collar numbers down, don't tell them you're doing it and make a complaint to Professional Standards, if it's not the same officers just ride it - it's not harassment and it won't be deliberate, you'll either look like a nominal or just look a tad suspicious.

If you do get stopped say "You've been stopping me a lot lately", act friendly and try and slip it there that you're sick of it. You can do a subject access for about £20 and see what they store about you - might be something there causing them to stop you.

4. On what grounds can a police officer search my vehicle?

Our powers to search come from section 17 of the Police and Criminal Evidence Act (1984) and the Misuse of Drugs Act (1971).

For both of these all we need is 'reasonable suspicion' - I don't know what you look like so can't comment on that, but this can be appearance - yes, we do prejudice - normally that's right, sometimes we get it wrong.

Though there are guidelines we must follow under both of those.

GOWISELY.
Grounds, Objective, Warrant Card, Identification, Station, Entitlement (to a copy of search record), Legal Power of search and 'You are detained for the purposes of a search.

If they don't do that, collar numbers, and complain because that is UNLAWFUL.

I do my best to be polite with those I stop and search;

I shout up first (fake call signs) "YM YM, PX21 - Stop search on X street, open mic please"
they then open my mic on my airwave, meaning EVERYTHING is recorded, no complaints then

"Sorry to bother you lads [mate/miss/madam/sir] - I've been told by such and such/you look like somebody who was seen to be doing X, I'm sure you're not but I've got to check *shows warrant card - if in uniform, collar number* - I'm PC Bloggs from Sandford Police Station and I'm detaining you for the purposes of searching you for Offensive Weapons/Drugs/Items linked to crime/Stolen property under the Misuse of Drugs Act/Police and Criminal Evidence Act - You're entitled to a copy of the search record from Sandford Police Station in the next 6 months or me now if you wish - very sorry to ask but have you got anything on you that you shouldn't have mate?"

Then it's all recorded and I'd like to think I change people's attitudes towards us if I'm friendly and nice about it - so many officers are such morons these days!

RE: 'Identity checks" (Hash name checks on PNC no doubt) each time you're checked on PNC it's logged and audited, location, time and officer - so you'll come back as 'BLOGGS/JOSEPH/01011971/SCOTLAND -- CHECK LAST ***** (collar) SOME STREET - DRUGS 01022012 1941' - if you do a subject access you can see who's done it and take it from there if it's truly harassment.

[yngwierocks]

QUOTE

Auto or 6 speed on the Challenger?

6 speed.

[*MURDOC*]

Cupholders behind the stick.


I see it all too often, and it's stupid every time.

[yngwierocks]

it's actually not too bad, the arm rest is higher than most cups you'd put in there unless you have a huge ass fast food cup. plus the armrest slides forward aswell.

[*MURDOC*]

Oh, I've definitely seen worse placement.

Someone I worked for elbowed a large coffee into his week-old Benz.

He was a dick, so it was hilarious.

[Lurch]

Nice on it being a 6 speed. Was looking at production numbers and only about 1/3 of SRT8 Challengers were manuals (09 and up obviously. All 08's were autos). Not that you'll necessarily have the car in that time, but in 30 years it will be worth a pretty penny just for being specced like that.

[yngwierocks]

As of right now I don't plan on getting rid of it lol. i just looked up the production numbers for 2009 there were something like 1508 Challenger SRT8's in brilliant black crystal pearl with the 6speed LOL

[Outcast]

i've been given the choice to get a new car to replace my ageing Infiniti in China. who else would i ask but you guys for suggestions?

but seriously, im not going to go out and get a lambo or anything. just a good car for daily driving but the back has to be roomy enough for when im being driven

i quite fancy the new Saab 9-5 and but i dont think they sell Saabs in China which is a shame

[jaysteels]

QUOTE (Outcast @ Thursday, Mar 1 2012, 12:19)

i've been given the choice to get a new car to replace my ageing Infiniti in China. who else would i ask but you guys for suggestions? but seriously, im not going to go out and get a lambo or anything. just a good car for daily driving but the back has to be roomy enough for when im being driven i quite fancy the new Saab 9-5 and but i dont think they sell Saabs in China which is a shame

can't ship? Saabs make for amazing daily drivers

[leik oh em jeez!]

QUOTE (Outcast @ Thursday, Mar 1 2012, 07:19)

i've been given the choice to get a new car to replace my ageing Infiniti in China. who else would i ask but you guys for suggestions? but seriously, im not going to go out and get a lambo or anything. just a good car for daily driving but the back has to be roomy enough for when im being driven i quite fancy the new Saab 9-5 and but i dont think they sell Saabs in China which is a shame

DTS.

I know you've got the money for it.

[Outcast]

QUOTE (jaysteels @ Thursday, Mar 1 2012, 22:35)

QUOTE (Outcast @ Thursday, Mar 1 2012, 12:19) i've been given the choice to get a new car to replace my ageing Infiniti in China. who else would i ask but you guys for suggestions? but seriously, im not going to go out and get a lambo or anything. just a good car for daily driving but the back has to be roomy enough for when im being driven i quite fancy the new Saab 9-5 and but i dont think they sell Saabs in China which is a shame can't ship? Saabs make for amazing daily drivers

I could ship but its just a lengthy and expensive process to clear china customs, if i were to go through the time and trouble of bringing a car in i'd rather make it count and import some pristine american classic.

I would love to get a DTS but they dont have it in China, the closest we have is something called the SLS (STS in the rest of the world).

I'd also really like to avoid BMWs or Mercs. What do you guys think of an '08/'09 Jaguar XJ? I like the old XJ much more than the new one which looks somewhat like a mondeo from the front.

[leik oh em jeez!]

QUOTE (Outcast @ Thursday, Mar 1 2012, 15:40)

I would love to get a DTS but they dont have it in China, the closest we have is something called the SLS (STS in the rest of the world).

So you'd be one of very few people in the entire country with a DTS? All the more reason.



Or you could just buy me one. Then you don't have to worry about importing it, and I'll let you drive it whenever you're in the States.

[Lurch]

You've got over half a dozen cars and you actually have to worry about having something to replace the only one that wasn't made in the past decade? It seems like you've already got a ton of replacements in hand already. If I was you, since you've already got all kinds of cars that could could be used to drive or as chauffeur cars already, I'd get something a bit more personal and sporty. 911 or M3 or Mustang or Camaro or something. Something sporty. Something for you to drive and not someone else. Instead you've got the same car a dozen times over but with a different badge on it. And the XJ is just more of the same. Get some variety in there.

[leik oh em jeez!]

Saleen S302?

[Outcast]

Lurch, you're absolutely right. I tend to choose cars for their comfort and legroom but sporty isnt really my thing but not really out of choice. i injured my spinal cord in a motorbike accident a couple years back and if i sit for more than an hour on bucket seats or something my back starts to act up.

I'm looking for more of a midsize sedan (a coupe could be nice too). i'm not looking to spend too much on this one

EDIT: i forgot to mention, cars in china are pretty damn expensive (a base model Cadillac CTS goes for just over 70,000USD and the CTS-V a ridiculous 170,000USD) so by not trying to spend so much means all BMW Ms and Merc AMGs etc are out of the question

This post has been edited by Outcast on Friday, Mar 2 2012, 01:24

[Lurch]

QUOTE (Outcast @ Thursday, Mar 1 2012, 20:18)

so by not trying to spend so much means all BMW Ms and Merc AMGs etc are out of the question

Really would that depend on how old you're willing to go?

Actually, are you willing to drive a classic?

Something like a 600 Grosser would probably be right up your ally (and feel like your spine is resting on a cloud) if you're willing to put up with an older lower-tech car. Certainly not midsize in the least bit but another big car probably wouldn't bother you.



I'm sure you could afford to import an absolute mint one if you can afford a 2 year old XJ.

[Outcast]

I wouldnt mind buying any generation M or AMG. the only thing is i absolutely hate W124 and W210s. anything else before or after i like. for BMW Ms, i think they all look amazing especially the older ones like yours Lurch. I would love to get an E28 M5 but these older cars are very difficult to find due to cars being a relatively new form of affordable transportation so older performance cars are notoriously rare

[Lurch]

Yeah, I don't see you finding any old nice euro classics in China. What's it cost to import something like an E28 M5 with a £15,000 or so price tag from the UK after it's all said and done?

[The General]

Outcast, what about one of these?

A Chrysler 300 Executive. If you can get one.



More pics here.

This post has been edited by The General on Friday, Mar 2 2012, 03:31