Vehicles

This is the updated vehicles list. Some of the VC replacements may seem a little strange, but this is only to ensure that the vehicle SFX sounds align correctly .

The list also includes the vehicle model ID number, as per the default.ide file - for the vehicles section of the default.ide file, see here. The purpose of this list is basically so that everyone knows what's going on, and also to assist anyone who wants to mod/replace LC's vehicles. Enjoy .

ID#	VC Vehicle	LC Vehicle	Used In LC?
130	Landstalker	Landstalker	Yes
131	Idaho	Idaho	Yes
132	Stinger	Banshee	Yes
133	Linerunner	Linerunner	Yes
134	Perennial	Perennial	Yes
135	Sentinel	Sentinel	Yes
136	Rio	Rio	No
137	Firetruck	Firetruck	Yes
138	Trashmaster	Trashmaster	Yes
139	Stretch	Stretch	Yes
140	Manana	Manana	Yes
141	Infernus	Infernus	Yes
142	Voodoo	Yardie Lobo	Yes
143	Pony	Pony	Yes
144	Mule	Mule	Yes
145	Cheetah	Hotring Racer	No
146	Ambulance	Ambulance	Yes
147	FBI Washington	FBI Rancher	No
148	Moonbeam	Moonbeam	Yes
149	Esperanto	Esperanto	Yes
150	Taxi	Taxi	Yes
151	Washington	Mafia Sentinel	Yes
152	Bobcat	Bobcat	Yes
153	Mr Whoopee	Mr Whoopee	Yes
154	BF Injection	BF Injection	Yes
155	Hunter	Hunter	Yes
156	Police	Police	Yes
157	Enforcer	Enforcer	Yes
158	Securicar	Securicar	Yes
159	Banshee	Washington	No
160	Predator	Predator	Yes
161	Bus	Bus	Yes
162	Rhino	Rhino	Yes
163	Barracks OL	Barracks OL	Yes
164	Cuban Hermes	Cuban Hermes	No
165	Helicopter	Helicopter	Yes
166	Angel	Angel	Yes
167	Coach	Coach	Yes
168	Cabbie	Cabbie	Yes
169	Stallion	Stallion	Yes
170	Rumpo	Rumpo	Yes
171	RC Bandit	RC Bandit	Yes
172	Romero's Hearse	Corpse (Manana from "Dead Skunk In The Trunk")	Yes
173	Packer	Packer	Yes
174	Sentinel XS	Panlantic	Yes
175	Admiral	Kuruma	Yes
176	Squalo	Squalo	No
177	Sea Sparrow	Sea Sparrow	Yes
178	Pizza Boy	Pizza Boy	No
179	Gang Burrito	Hoods Rumpo XL	Yes
180	Airtrain/Aeroplane	Airtrain/Aeroplane	Yes
181	Dead-Dodo	Dead-Dodo	Yes
182	Speeder	Speeder	Yes
183	Reefer	Reefer	Yes
184	Tropic	Tropic	No
185	Flatbed	Flatbed	Yes
186	Yankee	Yankee	Yes
187	Caddy	Caddy	No
188	Zebra Taxi	Borgnine Taxi	Yes
189	Top Fun	Toyz	Yes
190	Skimmer	Skimmer	Yes
191	PCJ 600	PCJ 600	Yes
192	Faggio	Faggio	Yes
193	Freeway	Freeway	Yes
194	RC Baron	Dodo	Yes
195	RC Copter	RC Copter	No
196	Glendale	Glendale	No
197	Oceanic	Blista Compact	No
198	Sanchez	Sanchez	Yes
199	Sparrow	Flying DeLorean	Debug Mode/100% Reward
200	Patriot	Patriot	Yes
201	Lovefist	Lovefist	No
202	Coastguard	Ghost	Yes
203	Dinghy	Dinghy	No
204	Hermes	Comet	No
205	Sabre	Sabre Turbo	No
206	Sabre Turbo	Diablo Stallion	Yes
207	Phoenix	Yakuza Stinger	Yes
208	Walton	Walton	No
209	Regina	Regina	No
210	Comet	Stinger	Yes
211	Deluxo	Driving DeLorean	Debug Mode/100% Reward
212	Burrito	Burrito	No
213	Spand Express	Sandking	N
214	Marquis	Marquis	No
215	Baggage Handler	Baggage Handler	No
216	Kaufman Cab	Zebra Cab	No
217	Maverick	Maverick	Yes
218	VCN Maverick	Head Radio Chopper	Yes
219	Rancher	Rancher	No
220	FBI Rancher	FBI Kuruma	Yes
221	Virgo	Virgo	No
222	Greenwood	Greenwood	No
223	Cuban Jetmax	Cuban Jetmax	No
224	Hotring Racer	Cheetah	Yes
225	Sandking	Cartel Cruiser	Yes
226	Blista Compact	Blista	Yes
227	VCPD Maverick	LCPD Maverick	Yes
228	Boxville	Triad Fish Van	Yes
229	Benson	Mr Wongs	Yes
230	Mesa Grande	Mesa Grande	No
231	RC Goblin	Full-wing Dodo (used only in A Drop In The Ocean and S.A.M.)	Yes
232	HotrinA	General Lee	Debug Mode/100% Reward
233	HotrinB	Phoenix	No
234	BloodrA	BloodrA	No
235	BloodrB	Admiral	No
236	Police Cheetah (vicechee)	Police Cheetah (vicechee)	Not by default, but it can be enabled through the Show Config utility

An outline of the reasons for changes is as follows:

• 132 - Switched so the Banshee had the jump over doors animation as it is a convertible
• 145 - SFX sound alignment
• 151 - SFX sound alignment
• 159 - SFX sound alignment
• 174 - SFX sound alignment
• 189 - SFX sound alignment
• 205 - The Sabre Turbo has replaced the Sabre because it looks cooler if you want to use it in LC
• 210 - Switched because this ID# has the flag where the jump over doors animation is only activated if the car is a convertible
• 213 - SFX sound alignment
• 224 - SFX sound alignment

The other switches were all simply GTA3 vehicles which needed to be allocated slots, and were the most logical choices (given factors such as car make, size, number of doors, etc.).

This post has been edited by Craig Kostelecky on Monday, Jun 7 2010, 19:53

YES. THIS IS THE FINAL CAR LIST. IT'S BEEN UPDATED TO MATCH THE FINAL RELEASE.

NO. THIS IS NOT THE FINAL CAR LIST. IT HAS NOT BEEN UPDATED TO MATCH THE FINAL RELEASE.


Vice City Slot ---> GTA3 Car

Admiral ---> Kuruma
Ambulance ---> Ambulance
Barracks OL ---> Barracks OL
Benson ---> Mr. Wongs
BF injection ---> BF Injection
Blista Compact ---> Blista
Bobcat ---> Bobcat
Boxville ---> Belly Up Van
Bus ---> Bus
Cabbie ---> Cabbie
Cheetah ---> Cheetah
Coach ---> Coach
Coastg ---> Ghost
Comet ---> Banshee
Enforcer ---> Enforcer
Esperanto ---> Esperanto
FBI Rancher ---> FBI Car
Firetruck ---> Firetruck
Flatbed ---> Flatbed
Gang Burrito ---> Hoods Rumpo XL
Idaho ---> Idaho
Infernus ---> Infernus
Landstalker ---> Landstalker
Linerunner ---> Linerunner
Manana ---> Manana
Mesa Grande ---> Panlantic
Moonbeam ---> Moonbeam
Mr. Whoopie ---> Mr. Whoopie
Mule ---> Mule
Patriot ---> Patriot
Perennial ---> Perennial
Pheonix ---> Yakuza Stinger
Police ---> Police
Pony ---> Pony
Predator ---> Predator
RC Baron ---> Dodo
Reefer ---> Reefer
Rhino ---> Rhino
Romero's Hearse ---> Corpse
Rumpo ---> Rumpo
Sabre ---> Stinger (hardtop)
Sabre Turbo ---> Diablo Stallion
Sandking ---> Cartel Cruiser
Securicar ---> Securicar
Sentinel ---> Sentinel
Sentinel XS ---> Mafia Sentinel
Skimmer ---> Vice City Skimmer
Speeder ---> Speeder
Stallion ---> Stallion
Stinger ---> Stinger (convertible)
Strech ---> Strech
Taxi ---> Taxi
Top Fun Van ---> Toyz van
Trashmaster ---> Trashmaster
Vicechee ---> Police (Mark's)
Voodoo ---> Yardie lobo
Yankee ---> Yankee
Zebra ---> Borgnine

The rest of the Vice City cars not mentioned here are extras.

This post has been edited by Ben on Wednesday, May 31 2006, 02:01

I believe it's been determined that the Cartel Cruiser cannot replace the Sandking because of door quantity. The Dodo is replacing the RC Baron (probably just an error). Does the FBI Rancher have a siren? This could cause problems, although it really is the perfect replacement for many reasons. There is a Stinger in VC. Can't we just replace it with the GTA3 one?

Also, I don't see a need to have any bikes other than the PCJ600 in. As for the helis, I think the Hunter and the VCN turned LM Maverick would be enough. This is for everybody to decide. I like limiting them because it makes selecting parked cars that much easier. You also forgot the Packer which I believe everybody feels should stay in.

I loathe the tuning of the VCN Maverick.

The FBI Rancher does have a siren, and with the new collision data it looks perfect. And it sounds like a very tough car too.

The Stinger shouldn't replace the stinger because it's a convertible in Vice City, and only sometimes a convertible in LC. Therefore you sometimes jump through the roof. And since the stallion is the only sometimes convertible in both games, we had to settle for always opening the doors on the stinger.

How about putting the Cartel with the regina? That's got four doors.

The Dodo was a typo. Fixed now.

So should the spawning values of all of the other bikes be set to ignore? And should the Packer spawn in traffic? Right now it doesn't.

I thought we suppose to use the advantage of what Vice City have that GTA3 doesn't have: the new cars, bikes, and helis.

This post has been edited by spaceeinstein on Saturday, Feb 7 2004, 14:42

I thought we already figured out that the game already knows when a car is a convertible and when it isn't. :\

IE. When the roof is shown, you use the door. When it's not, you jump over the sill.

This post has been edited by [4D]Outback on Saturday, Feb 7 2004, 14:32

It works for the Stallion because the Stallion is the same way in Vice City and Part III. However the Stinger in Vice is always convertible, but it sometimes is in Liberty. I have no idea where that data is stored, but until we can figure it out, I'd rather just always open the door.

Affirmative to all of the above. Good work. Introducing the Packer and PCJ600 into traffic should be discussed. We want to keep it close to authentic obviously, but can't since they're not in GTA3. So where to put them? The bike should go with executive for sure, maybe others. Packer should spawn basically anywhere a Mule or Yankee does. Just my opinions.

I've updated the carcols, default, handling, and collision files based on this list. You can get the file here. (Link removed due to bug in the default.ide, and a change in the car list.

Note to Dem, it's the same link as before if you just want to update the old one. American.gxt coming in a few minutes, check that thread for the download.

HOLD ON, there's an error somewhere. Let me find it before downloading.

The problem is definetly in the default.ide somewhere. I've tried just removing the comments and it still crashes, so that's not the answer.

This post has been edited by CraigKostelecky on Sunday, Feb 8 2004, 08:58

thanks a lot for taking my list and to do what I am doing!

http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtop...dpost&p=1496690

This post has been edited by Knux on Saturday, Feb 7 2004, 15:59

Did you read the forum's intro thread? This is a community project, Knux. And everybody knows you are a valuable member. As with all aspects of this mod, ALL files should be shared by everybody until we select an official version. Even then, there is always room for improvement. So please post what you have and we'll go from there. As you can see, Craig has already posted that his release has an error in it.

We're all in this together. So it's important to DISCUSS these things instead of getting upset with each other or taking things personally, okay? Need I remind you that you left WO to work with us because we're actually doing things. With our own sub forum and even more contributors than before, is this not what you wanted? Now you're upset BECAUSE people are working here? I don't get it.

I'm not mad because people are working, of course not, that's great, but it's because I dunno, I'm doing something, than after some days, I see that someone already do something on it. I start something else, same things.

I was doing that right when navigating thru the forums. I was happy because I worked on that the full evening and even night to make it ready for today. I was about to finish everything in the next hours (carcols.dat/handling.cfg/Default.ide/amarican.gxt/french.gxt/the whole car pack) I did that because I saw that no one was doing it for a while, so I got in that.


This post has been edited by Knux on Saturday, Feb 7 2004, 16:12

The error is weird. It locks up at the end of the progress bar (after starting a new game) like it's a default.ide problem. But it sometimes works.

Knux, about my car conversions. I started this way back on page 38 of the topic and I already told everybody that I would handle these files. When I saw your list, I thought the changes were done right. So I proposed a final list here. After Demarest accepted, I went ahead and finished the files. I wasn't trying to step on anybody's toes. I was just doing work that I told everybody I was going to do a while ago.

Possibly too quickly though, if I cannot find that error.

Knux, what do you have done now? Maybe yours will work right everytime. It doesn't matter whose files we use (as long as it's a complete conversion, not just wheel sizes)

This post has been edited by CraigKostelecky on Saturday, Feb 7 2004, 16:12

And you still can. I think multiple people working on the same thing is going to be something that happens from time to time. We have to be able to work through those times together or we'll never finish at all. Not to mention that these threads are public and such friction could give our efforts a bad image. We're the first team to actually take Skidz's work and put it to some real use. Let's not let these things get in our way. The same thing is happening in the water thread. The 2 of you can discuss how you want to resolve this. If you already have the GXT done, that's something Craig hasn't done yet. Plus he's fixing his files right now. Share your work and we'll go from there.

In that time, I could have done the paths but I was working on that.

We shall all put together who will do what because it's lot of wasted work/time.

You are both right. So let's try to move forward. This miscommunication is obviously a bad side effect of having to work within the confines of a single thread. Little overlaps like this are going to happen. The good news is that with the new forum, these conversations can stay linear as they should be.

@Knux: Post your work. If yours works and Craig's doesn't, then we'll have to go with yours. If we do that, then HE's out of the same work/time. There's no way we can all win unless we all agree that we are working together here. So let's do that. Once you have both posted functioning files, you can look at each others' work. You might be surprised and find that you'll both agree as to whose work is "better" if that's possible. I'm not sure. But you need to solve this peacefully please. Thank you.

well, my all my files were adapted to different cars so it's not working anymore. And I wanted to release all with the car pack (that will wait) so we won't be able to put all together.

Anyway, I tried to find a solution for the Cartel cruiser, look, the thing is the sound of the sandking is perfect for it, and for the doors, I never saw any missions where all 4 were used... so it won't be a huge thing (same for the VC cheetah prob)

This post has been edited by Knux on Saturday, Feb 7 2004, 16:20

I agree with that. The 2 door, 4 door replacements never bothered me at all. Was your list any different besides the columbian car? The other changes I made were pretty necessary I think

Since I'm not a modeler, help me to understand. Exactly WHY do the door amounts need to match. I've always heard that, but never knew why.

Here's another thing to keep in mind about the lack of permanance in "official versions" of files. Let's say based on this discussion, we choose to use Sandking for the Cruiser. Now lets say weeks away, I finish converting The Getaway and somebody who's playing it decides to use a Cartel Cruiser. Now let's say that they go to pick up the thieves and 2 of them try getting in the back and crash the game. Wouldn't we then have to replace the car at that time?

I'm not saying that will happen. I'm just making a point to demonstrate why "official" versions of files aren't necessarily going to be the finished ones. They're just the ones we have for NOW. Since NOW is when people want as many good files as they can have, we release what we have when we have it. So please continue your work and post it when it's finished. We may just use it now and if we don't, we may use it later.

Not to mention that if you have an issue with the Cartel Cruiser's target, then this is something we all need to discuss. So it's good that you brought it up. If we all decide that it's better a different way than what Craig was working on, then he will have lost work/time. Just like the last few pages of our old thread showed me that I was going to have to go back and make corrections to my work. Just like when I converted all the radio station graphics and then the list changed. It happens to all of us. No big deal in the big picture.