[Greenline]

@Sivispacem: If you have ever been on the hidden wiki, there's a chance you saw that every category (I was more into the conspiracy and anonymous crap myself at first, until I was shocked by random stuff popping up) has a Tor section. Then, for the illegal stuff, you have the I2P sites and the nodes. But you can't seriously tell me with a straight face that the .onion sites (accessed through Tor) don't contain illegal stuff. In fact, .onion was as far in as I went and I was still disgusted and felt like a sh*tty person.

[Cosmic Gypsy]

Buying any type of drug is easily possible and can be done safely even without the deep web / Tor. You could use Google on Internet Explorer and achieve this no problem, without being caught.

[The-King]

QUOTE (Greenline @ Wednesday, Sep 5 2012, 05:04)

@Sivispacem: If you have ever been on the hidden wiki, there's a chance you saw that every category (I was more into the conspiracy and anonymous crap myself at first, until I was shocked by random stuff popping up) has a Tor section. Then, for the illegal stuff, you have the I2P sites and the nodes. But you can't seriously tell me with a straight face that the .onion sites (accessed through Tor) don't contain illegal stuff. In fact, .onion was as far in as I went and I was still disgusted and felt like a sh*tty person.

So... didn't even read his post?

[sivispacem]

QUOTE (The-King @ Wednesday, Sep 5 2012, 13:40)

QUOTE (Greenline @ Wednesday, Sep 5 2012, 05:04) @Sivispacem: If you have ever been on the hidden wiki, there's a chance you saw that every category (I was more into the conspiracy and anonymous crap myself at first, until I was shocked by random stuff popping up) has a Tor section. Then, for the illegal stuff, you have the I2P sites and the nodes. But you can't seriously tell me with a straight face that the .onion sites (accessed through Tor) don't contain illegal stuff. In fact, .onion was as far in as I went and I was still disgusted and felt like a sh*tty person. So... didn't even read his post?

Quite. There's plenty of nasty stuff in the deep web, but as the deep web is many magnitudes larger than the visible web its probably an even lower proportion of unsavoury material than on the open web. As I stated, the vast majority of non-indexed pages serve a whole myriad of technical services, be they developer information, test pages, network-enabled SCADA access pages, FTP and VPN clients that require dedicated decryption software, VoIP hosts, private access pages like GGS, stuff encoded in MODAF/DoDAF and unreadable without privileged access, embedded javascript or flash reference pages, non-privileged encryption and decryption algorithms for things like secure paymemt processing, developer code experimentation, trackers and just about everything else. For instance, the huge about of remote electronic communication, command and control, automatic updating and networked mission-critical services required for things like industrial process management, power generation and secure communication comprise parts of the deep web.

I2P also isn't deep web. Its a pseudo web and all the top-level domains operate as anonymous peer-to-peer connections. I2P is more accurately described as a darknet as the source information not only cannot be decided without a privileged connection and grated access (like VPN or secure gateways), it can't be seen either.

This post has been edited by sivispacem on Wednesday, Sep 5 2012, 13:21

[Zirvlok]

So... Is there anyway I can access this "deep web" using my PS3? I don't really understand the whole TOR thing people are talking about, nor how to use proxies. Please excuse my noobness.

[Greenline]

I apologize to Sivispacem, I quickly went through your posts (and all new posts) in the topic so I guess I misunderstood it, sorry for just posting without properly reading your post.

[sivispacem]

QUOTE (Zirvlok @ Wednesday, Sep 5 2012, 15:03)

So... Is there anyway I can access this "deep web" using my PS3? I don't really understand the whole TOR thing people are talking about, nor how to use proxies. Please excuse my noobness.

Unless you know the IP addresses of non-indexed sites or can run crawler software on it, then no. There are dedicated open-source/forensic intelligence gathering tools that analyse physical and electronic links between IP addresses, servers et cetera but as far as I know these all run on Windows/OSX/Linux. DeepPeep used to have a web portal that enabled dark web searching, but it's been down for quite a while. With regards to Tor/Friend-to-Friend/AP2P networking, which is what the majority of what the discussion on here centres on, the really secretive and unpleasant stuff hidden in "darknets" is protected by the fact it's friend-to-friend based networking, and works on a largely invite only basis. The kind of stuff people profess to seeing on these "darknets" is generally the tip of the iceberg when it comes to illicit activity; the assumption being that people wouldn't approve F2F connections, even anonymously, with anyone who might compromise whatever nefarious activity they were involved in and therefore there's much more going on behind the scenes. Combined with the fact that even onion routing and other anonymising techniques can be easily compromised by law enforcement agencies by intercepting communications at a point before they are fully encrypted and anonymised (like by cracking a suspect's wireless network password or tapping ADSL or fibre optic lines at a junction box, or via an ISP, it's safe to assume that much of what is publicly know about is mere hyperbole.

[Wreckless Jake]

If people are aware that this deep web is crawling with viruses, child porn and other weird sh*t, why go on it? It sounds like /b/ x1,000.

[Kent Traffic Cop]

Tbh, anyone wanting to see weird sh*t is better off going to DocumentingReality.com

At least there you are safe from viruses and you won't have police kicking in your door for accidentally wandering into some horrible child stuff. Oh, and the fact it's organised and searchable makes things a hell of a lot easier


Normal Web > Deep Web - don't be fooled into thinking you'll turn into Neo by becoming a Tor user

[Greenline]

Alright, curiosity got the best of me and I downloaded Tor again and went on. Afterwards I deleted it.

I need to remind myself that there really isn't anything useful there, I always come out disappointed, sad and shocked. So, I deleted Tor again and am just hoping that I'll remember that it's just a waste of time.

This post has been edited by Greenline on Friday, Sep 7 2012, 02:23