[PANDAEMON]

at the moment all would-be major suicide bombers caught are on death row...

thats something i dont understand... i mean... how is putting people who feel happy to blow themselves up gonna make them even one bit convinced not to try it?

what we need to do is to reverse-brainwash these would be bombers and teach em that what they do is wrong. make them actually feel sorry for what their doing.

yeah i know,, "brainwashing" them sems a bit hypoicritical but atleast it isnt as futile as putting them to death...

[Ph3L1z14n0]

QUOTE (PANDAEMON @ Sep 14 2007, 06:45)

at the moment all would-be major suicide bombers caught are on death row... thats something i dont understand... i mean... how is putting people who feel happy to blow themselves up gonna make them even one bit convinced not to try it? what we need to do is to reverse-brainwash these would be bombers and teach em that what they do is wrong. make them actually feel sorry for what their doing. yeah i know,, "brainwashing" them sems a bit hypoicritical but atleast it isnt as futile as putting them to death...

We can't "reverse-brainwash" and even if we could, it would be pointless, people need to learn on their own, and then the problem would be cured, the catalyst element of suicide bombers is not the action itself, it's the reasoning.

AND human rights.

[Shylock]

The way most people view it is...

Would you want someone who was willing to take their own life to inflict mass casualties on someone else living next door to you?

Same applies to pedophiles.

Would you want to raise your children near someone who was convicted of raping a 10 year old?

These moral dilemmas are the breeding grounds for pro-capital punishment machines. I for one would not feel comfortable living near either one of the above examples. Which is why laws exist that prevent us from having to make that distinction.

[PANDAEMON]

well, it wouldnt really be brainwashing at all.

from what we now of suicide bombers from articles and interviews, most of them used to be just simple farmers and ordinary people who were driven by the promise of "martyrhood". many of them in fact DONT EVEN KNOW that their actions would lead to the deaths of innocent civiians.[a baghdadi would be bomber who was caught told an interviewer that his mission was to take out u.s troops whom he felt were nvading their land. he had no idea that his actions would have lead to the death of innocent baghdadis as well. heck, when the interviwer{who was white} asked him wheather he wanted to kill him he said "ofcourse not. why should i kill someone who has not attacked my people or my religeon?"]
basically what we should do is show them the grieving families of suicide bombing victims and make them understand how many innocent MUSLIMS they would have killed.

as for sentencing, i would strongly sujjest life imprisonment. it'll be helluva lot more effective than the death penalty..

[SagaciousKJB]

QUOTE (PANDAEMON @ Sep 14 2007, 23:35)

well, it wouldnt really be brainwashing at all. from what we now of suicide bombers from articles and interviews, most of them used to be just simple farmers and ordinary people who were driven by the promise of "martyrhood". many of them in fact DONT EVEN KNOW that their actions would lead to the deaths of innocent civiians.[a baghdadi would be bomber who was caught told an interviewer that his mission was to take out u.s troops whom he felt were nvading their land. he had no idea that his actions would have lead to the death of innocent baghdadis as well. heck, when the interviwer{who was white} asked him wheather he wanted to kill him he said "ofcourse not. why should i kill someone who has not attacked my people or my religeon?"] basically what we should do is show them the grieving families of suicide bombing victims and make them understand how many innocent MUSLIMS they would have killed. as for sentencing, i would strongly sujjest life imprisonment. it'll be helluva lot more effective than the death penalty..

I'm relatively certain that at this point in time, most suicide bombers being recruited are well aware of what they are doing, and also of the distinct possibillity of "collateral damage" as the U.S. likes to call it.

What I see you suggesting here and in your other topic, is that people willing to risk the lives of innocent people should be spared, yet mentally disturbed individuals who may rape/molest children should be put to death? This seems a bit hypocritical; surely someone who is willing to kill children merits a death sentence more than someone who takes advantage of them. My support for capital punishment diminishes nearly every day, so I can't really say that I think pedophiles or suicide bombers should be put to death, but you seem to be applying a double standard.

As Shylock pointed out, the idea behind the death penalty would be to prevent people who are willing to kill or willing to rape away from the public where they might do it again. Furthermore, it is not necessarily to act as a punishment for the person, but rather a preventative measure; by deterring other citizens from doing the same thing, and by ensuring that the person being executed will never commit the crime again. Of course in this instances, the death penalty is not a very effective deterrent against those already willing and plotting to die.

I don't think that I have a better alternative to suggest; I believe I've seen suggestions as brash as torture, and while it may be completely casting aside any humanitarian feelings I have, that would probably be the only effective deterrent. The only problem I see, is that it would instead make these martyrs-to-be more careful in their planning and execution. As I said already, I doubt that many of these people are very weary of the death penalty as they are plotting their own martyrdom; if the aspect of torture was there instead, they might very well hone their tactics to the point where even catching these people would become too difficult, or they might revise their tactics all together with the sudden lack of "martyrs" willing to endure torture if they're caught.

I'm not aware of how suicide bombers are recruited, but from what I do know, they're often times promised thousands of dollars in aid to their families to aid in the current strife. Perhaps if humanitarian aid was able to supply these people with what they need, then that could act as a very effective deterrent.

[Vercetti21]

How do you not understand suicide bombers on death freakin' row?

Suicide bombers are bad. They kill people. So if they want to die, and we want them to die, I'd rather just kill them. It's a win-win situation. There's no sense in "brainwashing" them, or trying to teach them a lesson, and even if there was it wouldn't be that simple. Let them die, then we wouldn't have to worry about them ever again. That's one less terrorist in the world.

[nlitement]

Pfft.. guys, they're just taking out the trash.

[PANDAEMON]

QUOTE (Vercetti21 @ Sep 16 2007, 05:52)

How do you not understand suicide bombers on death freakin' row? Suicide bombers are bad. They kill people. So if they want to die, and we want them to die, I'd rather just kill them. It's a win-win situation. There's no sense in "brainwashing" them, or trying to teach them a lesson, and even if there was it wouldn't be that simple. Let them die, then we wouldn't have to worry about them ever again. That's one less terrorist in the world.

what im trying to say is yeah sure, we can just get rid o em.
the prob is that for every time a suicide bomber is put on daeath row, another then take his place. by killing em we're giving them "glory" and "m,artyrhood" which will "inspire" others to follow their example.

thats why the only real effective methods are torture[THAT'll teach em...t oo bad its inhumane...] and psycho-therapy.

if anything psychotherapy will atleast discourage more from taking up the cause.

also... if we can brainwash enough o em we might actually be able to use em AAINST the terrorists! i mean most o em have weapins training.

[Ph3L1z14n0]

QUOTE (PANDAEMON @ Sep 18 2007, 08:09)

QUOTE (Vercetti21 @ Sep 16 2007, 05:52) How do you not understand suicide bombers on death freakin' row? Suicide bombers are bad. They kill people. So if they want to die, and we want them to die, I'd rather just kill them. It's a win-win situation. There's no sense in "brainwashing" them, or trying to teach them a lesson, and even if there was it wouldn't be that simple. Let them die, then we wouldn't have to worry about them ever again. That's one less terrorist in the world. what im trying to say is yeah sure, we can just get rid o em. the prob is that for every time a suicide bomber is put on daeath row, another then take his place. by killing em we're giving them "glory" and "m,artyrhood" which will "inspire" others to follow their example. thats why the only real effective methods are torture[THAT'll teach em...t oo bad its inhumane...] and psycho-therapy. if anything psychotherapy will atleast discourage more from taking up the cause. also... if we can brainwash enough o em we might actually be able to use em AAINST the terrorists! i mean most o em have weapins training.

I myself as a student of psychology would completely refuse to use my services for that "kind of psycho-therapy"

[teun.steenbekkers]

Why spend loads of cash on teaching terrorists they've been naughty when you can help them off the face of the earth by killing them? Or lock them up forever? (OK that's a lot of cash as well) Sure, there will be others who blow themselves up, but while one suicide bomber is in therapy, there would still be another one doing the job for him. Killing terrorists ftw.

[nabo45]

Well IMO suicide bombers should get on death row before it's too late. Because why spend money on locking them in prison for 2 years or so and then they go blow them selves up anyway, that's just waste of money and space in the prisons (which we need here in Denmark). Also i really don't understand why they spend 21 or something years of their life, and mayby had a great future coming (well not really, but it could happen), and then just killing them selves and thinking they are going to heaven. Thats just plain stupid. Well thats my view...

[PANDAEMON]

well, i just think its frustrating to see these assholes who are happy to die, blow trhemselves up and become "martyrs" just get the death penalty... hmm.. maybe the torture idea aint so abd after all!