[Ghost Bear]

Ever wonder who the hell is busker1, busker2, busker3, busker4 mentioned in GTA 3 default.ide ?

They are beta street musicians! I found both textures and models for them. They are exist only in PS2 version of GTA 3. Unfortunately PS2 txd viewer i use converts some of textures incorrectly so i can't show you how they look with textures.

Anyway here they are:


I've tried to repair textures myself


But there is still mess with palette


More to go...

There is some guy named "Butler" He have weird texture


but fits him perfectly.


Also, wtf! He have more polygons than Claude!

What this pickup for?


Strange cop. He have different face and more detailed model than usual one.


Suitcases from unfinished airport. They even have no textures, just a meshes.


Mines in GTA 3?


This post has been edited by Ghost Bear on Sunday, Jan 18 2009, 23:00

[atsike7]

Yes.... I've seen them too.
Some guy made topic, called beta GTA3 or something and someone discovered them!

[Dodgy Dan]

Amazing, ive had this game for about 6 years and im still learning new things

Plus that butler looks a hell of a lot more detailed than all the other models
Also why does his texture have part of Joeys texture on it? (Im guessing it is Joeys, not 100% sure)

[bpx]

isn't that buttler visible in one of the cutscenes from salvatores house? i'm not sure but i'm sure i saw him in the game before
never saw this band though, interesting

[OnePiece]

That last building is right next to donald loves building.

[rebel_36]

the full model of the butler is in the pc img

[lloydo]

Theres a ped i've only seen once, hes similar to another ped in a brown coat and hat and a few on him spawn in a Portland Telephone mission.

[rebel_36]

are you sure you dont mean marty himself? he looks simlar

[rmws.]

Cool staff Ghost Bear!

I also found strange model. It's in ps2 and pc versions
I think it was used in the airport

[Floro Solo]

I think the butler was taken out because of that polycount. It was far too high. They could have lowered it though... No one will ever know. Any chance anyone can convert these models to the PC version? The band looks very interesting too. Especially the sitting bandmember. I don't recall anyone sitting in GTA III. Perhaps it was a mission were you'd have to kill the band or it was a random spawn around liberty? *sigh* brings up so many never to be answered questions up.

[chapapote]

Maybe that special cop texture is used for McAffrey in "Silence the sneak" (just writing an idea, I don't know it).

[Claude94]

Yep, I've seen a full model of the butler, as well as the "Busker guys" (e.g. the guy sitting down smoking weed is missing his bongos, the full models can be seen in the link below). For the butler, maybe he was only to be used in cutscenes (the reason he's so detailed). Here's a theory: in some of Salvatore's missions, we can hear a piano playing, but either nobody is at the piano, or it's off screen. Maybe he was the piano player. If he wasn't just used for cutscenes, then maybe they originally planned to have the game's charecters and peds more detailed, but it probably took up alot of space on the disk, or something, and they only got around to modeling the butler and the cop.

As for the "movie camera" icon/pickup, all I could think of is either it would be outside our safehouses and allow us to watch cutscenes, or it would record gameplay

Also, here is the original "beta stuff" topic (including images of the full models of the busker guys and the butler, as well as some other stuff).

[Ghost Bear]

More to go...

Beta columbians. They was dropped from final release (maybe because of extremely terrorist look), but model and textures are remain in gta3.img





Hm, i think i already saw one of them. Oh, yeah! GTA 3 commercial!


And for compare in-game screenshot.


As you can see they was replaced by usual columbian. Also the intro cut-scene columbian have usual model too. I think what guy with Uzi was in intro cut-scene and the other two were used in Exchange cut-scene.



Also as you can see in commercial and on model that guy with cigar holds a M16. I wonder how Claude escaped if at least two columbians had M16's.


Who the hell is this? Mafia goon? I can't remember him in game.


Also yet another proof what city Liberty is based on.

[Claude94]

QUOTE (Ghost Bear @ Jan 18 2009, 17:03)

Also as you can see in commercial and on model that guy with cigar holds a M16. I wonder how Claude escaped if at least two columbians had M16's.

Probably the reason why they replaced them with pistols. Claude would get torn up from the start, making the mission pretty much impossible to complete.

At first, I thought the "mafia goon" guy was just Mickey Hamfists, but it's not. I don't remember him either (probably a beta street goon).

Also, nice find on the New York license plate, that was probably another one of the other last minute removals after 9/11 (not wanting to make any connection to New York City, or state).

[chapapote]

QUOTE (Claude94 @ Jan 18 2009, 22:48)

Yep, I've seen a full model of the butler, as well as the "Busker guys" (e.g. the guy sitting down smoking weed is missing his bongos, the full models can be seen in the link below). For the butler, maybe he was only to be used in cutscenes (the reason he's so detailed). Here's a theory: in some of Salvatore's missions, we can hear a piano playing, but either nobody is at the piano, or it's off screen. Maybe he was the piano player. If he wasn't just used for cutscenes, then maybe they originally planned to have the game's charecters and peds more detailed, but it probably took up alot of space on the disk, or something, and they only got around to modeling the butler and the cop.

You know, in one of Salvatore's missions (I can't remember which one), Salvatore says something like "Leave us alone", although there's nobody there. Perhaps there was a butler there in the beta and they forgot to change the talk?

[rebel_36]

those dark clothed columbians are used in the intro where they bust OOG from the enforcer, no?

[Ghost Bear]

QUOTE (rebel_36 @ Jan 19 2009, 12:56)

those dark clothed columbians are used in the intro where they bust OOG from the enforcer, no?

Yeah! You right:


But they both using body of second columbian. And one(left on picture) of them using external head col1h for talking animations. This means what only first and third models are unused.

QUOTE

Theres a ped i've only seen once, hes similar to another ped in a brown coat and hat and a few on him spawn in a Portland Telephone mission.

No, it's not Marty. Marty's with sunglasses.

QUOTE

I also found strange model. It's in ps2 and pc versions I think it was used in the airport

That's interesting. Which name this model has?

QUOTE

The band looks very interesting too. Especially the sitting bandmember. I don't recall anyone sitting in GTA III. Perhaps it was a mission were you'd have to kill the band or it was a random spawn around liberty? *sigh* brings up so many never to be answered questions up.

Their names are mentioned in peds list. That may mean they randomly appear around city.

Also, i'm thinking maybe we should try export them to PC version and spawn using scm? Maybe code which controlling them still present in game?

QUOTE

Maybe that special cop texture is used for McAffrey in "Silence the sneak" (just writing an idea, I don't know it).

No, McAffey have model of common ped (li_man2) and two cops defending him are just common ones.

QUOTE

Also, here is the original "beta stuff" topic (including images of the full models of the busker guys and the butler, as well as some other stuff).

Somehow i missed page where OnePiece posted screenshots. Also the Tommy-looking head is head of Shopkeeper from Kenji mission.

QUOTE

At first, I thought the "mafia goon" guy was just Mickey Hamfists, but it's not. I don't remember him either (probably a beta street goon).

Or he was beta Mickey before they decided to give him personality.

[lloydo]

QUOTE (rebel_36 @ Jan 18 2009, 16:14)

are you sure you dont mean marty himself? he looks simlar

Yeh, could have been his model, but it wasn't his mission.

[Ghost Bear]

This is what i'm worked on last day:
GTA 3 Source code classes list

[The Horror Is Alive]

It's probably a pickup for a removed video editor function, or a beta PS2 replay function? I dunno, it's strange alright...