[crackhead91090]

QUOTE (Digital Murders @ Saturday, Jun 9 2012, 23:51)

QUOTE (GTA_stu @ Saturday, Jun 9 2012, 08:55) I saw it a few days ago, and I absolutely loved it. I haven't really seen Alien, well I have seen it but it was a while ago and it was mainly on as background so I wasn't paying much attention to it. I really want to watch it properly now though. It definitely left some questions unanswered, and I think there is the potential for a sequal. In particular I really like Fassbender's performance, I thought he was great in it. I'm really intrigued to find out the reason as to why the engineers wanted to destroy the Earth after having apparently created life on it, or at least having created man. I also didn't really get why Weyland instructed David to deliberately infect Holloway. Just saw this last night and thought it was pretty good. My expectations were a little higher considering Ridley Scott directed, but something about the film just seemed flat. @Gta_stu My friends and I were discussing the exact same thing on the ride home. We concluded that in that timeline, the human race has come so far in technology, that the engineers were afraid that we would find them and kill them. So they considered us a failed experiment and want to kill us before we kill them. Much like at the begining of the film when the ship drops off one the experiments and it kills itself. Also we believe Weyland wanted Holloway dead because with him out of the way, he thought the rest of the crew would think the mission is too dangerous and turn back before David could find the engineers.

on the theory of infecting Halloway I think David did it in an attempt to find a way for biff to be immortal, and as we can s the plan failed

[d0mm2k8]

@Legacy-666_: Yeah, sorry to disappoint but the story of the Space Jokey in Alien isn't actually answered. There are some interesting ideas that can be thought of and we know more about it in general but the overall story is in no way answered.

[darthYENIK]

Just saw it. It was okay. Beautifully filmed, and the effects were great. The scene where, Shaw has that automated surgical chamber cut the squid alien out of her was pretty intense. The acting was superb, but the make up on the old man, just wasn't convincing. I wish they'd have just cast a real old man.

[Legacy-666_]

QUOTE (RARusk @ Sunday, Jun 10 2012, 19:34)

QUOTE (Legacy-666_ @ Sunday, Jun 10 2012, 08:21) great movie. Left me with one nagging question though. How the hell did the engineer (space jockey)get back into his seat on his ship like he was found in Alien? It's not the same planet (LV-223) and therefore not the same Space Jockey. The story of the original Space Jockey has yet to be told.

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well thats just left me with even more questions.

[darthYENIK]

My guess is that LV-426 (the planet in the first two films) is just a similar situation as LV-223. It's another planet used by the Engineers for research and development of whatever dangerous stuff they're doing. Of course that leaves the question of if that Xenomorph looking creature at the end is the ancestor of all Xenomorphs, how did Xenomorphs get to LV-426?

Man, there is some great theorizing going on all over the Internet, such as how Jesus Christ was an Engineer, and his death at the hands of humans was why they were going to destroy humanity 2000 years before the movie. Ridley Scott neither confirmed or denied it when asked.

I do hope there is another prequel to fill in the gaps between Prometheus and Alien. I just hope it doesn't take 35 years to come out. And if Scott has a brain in his head, he'll beg James Cameron to direct it. Although I dont know about either lately. I love both Scott and Cameron's films but the last Ridley Scott film I truly enjoyed (not counting Prometheus) was Black Hawk Down, and even then Gladiator was better. And the last James Cameron film I truly enjoyed was True Lies. But if they pull it off they can do a prequel trilogy the good way.

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[Pandazoot]

QUOTE (darthYENIK @ Monday, Jun 11 2012, 06:40)

Of course that leaves the question of if that Xenomorph looking creature at the end is the ancestor of all Xenomorphs, how did Xenomorphs get to LV-426?

I don't think so seeing as there was that mural of the Xenomorph we all know (and love) in the room with the giant head. So the Xenomorphs are definitely knocking about already.

[Spaghetti Cat]

Resisting spoilers for now.

Can anyone tell me if the IMAX version is worth it? Our local one won't get it for a bit and I was wondering if I should wait it out? Oh, and how is the 3-D? I've never been to a 3-D movie before.

[darthYENIK]

QUOTE (Pandazoot @ Monday, Jun 11 2012, 00:38)

QUOTE (darthYENIK @ Monday, Jun 11 2012, 06:40) Of course that leaves the question of if that Xenomorph looking creature at the end is the ancestor of all Xenomorphs, how did Xenomorphs get to LV-426? I don't think so seeing as there was that mural of the Xenomorph we all know (and love) in the room with the giant head. So the Xenomorphs are definitely knocking about already.

True, I forgot about that. Can't believe I forgot that.

I really wish I would have seen it with a better audience around me. The last movie I saw before this was The Avengers, on opening day, and there was cheering and all sorts of clues pointing to a geeky audience. I wanted to cheer during that part with the Xenomorph Mural, or give some sort of reaction. But the audience felt oblivious.

[Don Garcia]

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[visionist]

QUOTE (Spaghetti Cat @ Wednesday, Jun 13 2012, 00:25)

Resisting spoilers for now. Can anyone tell me if the IMAX version is worth it? Our local one won't get it for a bit and I was wondering if I should wait it out? Oh, and how is the 3-D? I've never been to a 3-D movie before.

Absolutely seek out the IMAX showings. I've seen it in that format once and am seeing it again on Tuesday. Seen it 3 times in total now: IMAX 3D, Real 3D with DBOX Active Motion Seats, and 2D.

I am typing about True 70MM IMAX here, not the phony LIEmax digital joints that have sprung up like cockroaches. Avoid those at all costs.

And the 3D is native: shot with two cameras. So it's stunning and seamless. And it really gives you a sense of the gigantic vistas Scott insisted on filming the proper, old-fashioned way, without video game graphics.

[GTA_stu]

QUOTE (crackhead91090 @ Sunday, Jun 10 2012, 22:06)

QUOTE (Digital Murders @ Saturday, Jun 9 2012, 23:51) QUOTE (GTA_stu @ Saturday, Jun 9 2012, 08:55) I saw it a few days ago, and I absolutely loved it. I haven't really seen Alien, well I have seen it but it was a while ago and it was mainly on as background so I wasn't paying much attention to it. I really want to watch it properly now though. It definitely left some questions unanswered, and I think there is the potential for a sequal. In particular I really like Fassbender's performance, I thought he was great in it. I'm really intrigued to find out the reason as to why the engineers wanted to destroy the Earth after having apparently created life on it, or at least having created man. I also didn't really get why Weyland instructed David to deliberately infect Holloway. Just saw this last night and thought it was pretty good. My expectations were a little higher considering Ridley Scott directed, but something about the film just seemed flat. @Gta_stu My friends and I were discussing the exact same thing on the ride home. We concluded that in that timeline, the human race has come so far in technology, that the engineers were afraid that we would find them and kill them. So they considered us a failed experiment and want to kill us before we kill them. Much like at the begining of the film when the ship drops off one the experiments and it kills itself. Also we believe Weyland wanted Holloway dead because with him out of the way, he thought the rest of the crew would think the mission is too dangerous and turn back before David could find the engineers. on the theory of infecting Halloway I think David did it in an attempt to find a way for biff to be immortal, and as we can s the plan failed

Interesting reading the responses and theories.

I thought the thing we saw at the beginning falling into the river and disintergrating was an engineer. And that it was supposed to be the engineers releasing their DNA on earth and creating man, that was my take on it anyway.

Also in response to David infecting Holloway: I think it could be 2 things. 1, It was David doing it on his own without the word of Weyland. He's an android but I think he still possesses human like traits such as jealousy and vanity and demonstrates an ability to think and act independently. David infecting Holloway was almost like him trying to bring Holloway to David's level, or even bring him below David which would be opposite to the other cast member's view that they are above David and he is merely a machine. I think David feels angry at this perception and thinks of himself as human, or at least part human. So it was his way of getting back and elevating himself because in the end he was more human than Holloway.

He did this knowing that Holloway and Shaw were close, and in love. Again a human trait which he may have had some sort of jealousy over and so targeted the 2 of them. His behaviour to the 2 of them and the way he spoke to them does suggest to me he had a disdain towards them on some level.

2. Weyland did instruct David to do it. He did this out of a curiosity, and his massive ego allows him to dismiss any thoughts that it may be wrong to do so. He did it as it interested him, but also there may have been an element that it was like he was giving a sacrifice to the engineers in hoping that it might gain favour with them.

[WF the Hobgoblin]

QUOTE (GTA_stu @ Saturday, Jun 9 2012, 15:55)

I saw it a few days ago, and I absolutely loved it. I haven't really seen Alien, well I have seen it but it was a while ago and it was mainly on as background so I wasn't paying much attention to it.

That's probably why you loved Prometheus so much.

I went to see it with my wee brother a couple of weeks ago. Overall, I left the cinema feeling pretty disappointed, although not necessarily surprised. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't fairly excited about seeing it as I'm a big fan of the alien series and Alien and Blade Runner are among my favourite films, but I still tried not to set my expectations too high.

For starters, it was the first film I've ever went to see in 3D and I just really didn't like the experience.

I didn't think it was a bad film, just flawed. I went into it expecting something more of an Alien spinoff so I wasn't expecting to see xenomorphs or anything but the problem was that I found it was too far removed from Alien and yet too similar at the same time for me to enjoy. The whole "space jockey" mythos didn't really interest me much. I'd much rather Scott had either made a proper Alien film or an all new science fiction film that has nothing to do with the series.

I did like the visual style, for the most part. The ship, the planet scape and everything looked really good. Except the squid. I quite liked the acting and the characters as well, especially Fassbender.

The main things I didn't really care for were:

Fifield coming back as a nemisis like super soldier to punch everyone to death.
Shaw having a squid removed from her stomach and no one seemed to notice and then immediately goes off to help wake up Doctor Manhattan who proceeds to go on a rampage and tear sh*t up for some unknown reason.
The fact that Janek and his two stoner buddies needed little to no information or convincing before sacrificing themselves.
The soundtrack. Minutes into the film, I could have sworn I was watching a Star Trek Next Gen movie. (Which isn't a bad thing in itself but didn't really sound right.)
Charlize Theron being punished for her sense of self preservation by being killed in a pointless and humiliating way.
The f**kin' giant squid.
The naff looking pre-xenomorph. In fact, that whole bloody scene. It was completely unnecessary and seemed more like a scene that would belong in the AvP movies.

This post has been edited by WF the Hobgoblin on Wednesday, Jun 20 2012, 23:38

[d0mm2k8]

QUOTE (WF the Hobgoblin @ Wednesday, Jun 20 2012, 12:16)

That's probably why you loved Prometheus so much.

I absolutely loved Prometheus and I've been a complete Alien fan since before Resurrection came out. Alien and Aliens are my joint two most favourite films of all time and the Alien itself is my favourite movie monster. I even love Alien 3 to a lesser extent and somewhat like Resurrection (despite it being completely unnecessary and cheesy), though I do hate the AvPs with a passion.
Yet Prometheus rang almost all the right bells with me. I can see and understand where people get their complaints from, but for me the only thing I didn't really like was the soundtrack.

Speaking of which, Alien 3 has the best soundtrack in the series by far.

[WF the Hobgoblin]

It's interesting that you describe Resurrection as being "unnecessary", that's kind of how I feel about Prometheus. I would say Prometheus is a much better film than Res' but I still can't help but feel like the whole film was kind of pointless.

I like Alien 3's soundtrack, although I do really like Horner's score for Aliens - even if he did take half of it from Star Trek 3 and then reused it again in patriot games.

If I were to score the alien movies, I'd say:

Alien 10/10
Aliens 10/10
Alien 3 7/10
Alien Resurrection 4/10
AVP 1/10
AVPR 1/10
Prometheus 7/10

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[d0mm2k8]

I agree with your scoring almost entirely, though I'd have Prometheus at an 8/10 and AvPR at a 0/10. I can see why you'd see Prometheus as unnecessary, though I personally feel it answered questions about the Space Jockey from the original in a satisfying way yet still kept a mystery behind the whole thing.
But Resurrection felt utterly pointless, what with bringing back Ripley after what I thought was a depressing yet epic ending to a trilogy. It didn't even flesh out the universe since it's based too far in the future, didn't really add anything new in interesting ways (mutant DNA things are lame) and kinda did some other pointless stuff; Weyland-Yutani bought out by Wall-Mart? What.

Ah well though, this isn't the Alien series thread. Do we even have one of those?

[TheCacti]

So I finally got around to seeing this last night. First impressions can be strong, and often misleading, but I left the theatre with mixed emotions. I was both satisfied yet very disappointed.

I don't feel like it was 'pointless' at all. what I did find pointless was the very last scene of the film. yes, I know what the xenomorph looks like, thank you very much. there was no need to show it simply for the sake of being shocking and to highlight such an obvious link between this film and the Alien series. We get it. Anyways, I found the story to be utterly fascinating, and sheds a whole new light on what the 'Alien' actually is, or what it was meant to be...The engineers really captivated me. I was far more interested in them than almost anything else in the film, and there's a bit of frustration that comes with having finished this chapter of the story without knowing much about why they did what they did. I suppose the mystery is part of the charm.

Here's what really disappointed me:

The crew of Prometheus. Are you f*cking kidding me? Does Weyland Industries recruit for its high-profile, insanely expensive expeditions across the stars at the beer tent of a rock concert? Apparently so. You had the young, gnarly geologist with a bad attitude. You had the quirky, naive dude in glasses (I don't even know what his job was - being a dipsh*t?). Two young, cute archeologists who were able to show complete disregard and carelessness in a foreign environment (makes sense, right?). Evidently, being young and cute was more of a prerequisite to embark on an extraterrestrial mission than any kind of experience or respect for protocol. Too often their actions were just completely inexplicable. For example, the two guys were stranded in the 'mound' overnight and were beginning to get spooked out, and understandably so, because that place was pretty damn spooky. And then suddenly they find themselves in what would be the spookiest room in the whole god damn place, and what do they do: decide to have a little 'playtime' when they discover a foreign life form. Honestly? Right from the get-go I was unable to take any of them seriously and it really put a big dent in the film's credibility for me.

But I don't want to let what I thought were some sh*tty characters ruin what is an otherwise imaginative and intriguing story.


Some general questions that I'm asking myself and curious to know what the rest of you think:

• The 'goo' was intended to be some kind of biological weapon, no?
• Why did the one engineer sacrifice himself in the opening scene? And was the departing ship heading to Earth, with their human creations?
• What happened to the engineers previously on LV-223? I was under the impression that they were fully aware of this 'weapon's' destruction and thus knew how to manage it. Yet, apparently there was some king of massacre as evidenced by the dead space jockeys that were found.
• The Xenomorph itself. It seems as if this creature is really the arbitrary offspring of the squid-like creature and the body of an engineer. But at the same time there was clearly some kind of art inside the base at LV-223 that was depicting the Xenomorph being. Was that a statue we saw? A carcass? Was it a sign of worship and admiration? I'm quite stumped on that one.


And I have many thoughts/questions pertaining to this film, but don't want to go overboard just yet..

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[AceRay]

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The crew of Prometheus. Are you f*cking kidding me? Does Weyland Industries recruit for its high-profile, insanely expensive expeditions across the stars at the beer tent of a rock concert? Apparently so. You had the young, gnarly geologist with a bad attitude. You had the quirky, naive dude in glasses (I don't even know what his job was - being a dipsh*t?). Two young, cute archeologists who were able to show complete disregard and carelessness in a foreign environment (makes sense, right?). Evidently, being young and cute was more of a prerequisite to embark on an extraterrestrial mission than any kind of experience or respect for protocol. Too often their actions were just completely inexplicable. For example, the two guys were stranded in the 'mound' overnight and were beginning to get spooked out, and understandably so, because that place was pretty damn spooky. And then suddenly they find themselves in what would be the spookiest room in the whole god damn place, and what do they do: decide to have a little 'playtime' when they discover a foreign life form. Honestly? Right from the get-go I was unable to take any of them seriously and it really put a big dent in the film's credibility for me.

I couldn't agree with this more. In fact, Cacti has basically summed up what I felt about this. It could have been epic but there's so many sh*tty things in it. Yeah, go ahead and try to pet the hissing snake like creature. I mean, seriously, wtf? This guy's supposed to be a biologist, why is he treating this thing like a cat? It was so stupid.

yeah, don't tell the crew that you have a disease in your eyeball until it actually starts to kill you, that's a great idea!

Another thing I hated was how the blonde chick Vicars was made out to be the bad guy yet was probably the only smart one of the group. When did she ever abuse codes or laws, she was following the rules!

I will give this film credit, there are some good things about it. The scene where Shaw had to have a C section was f*cking intense. However, the effect is completely ruined once she's up and running in the next minute. No repercussions at all. Furthermore, David was easily the best character. The way he kept suspense, made you question his motives and how much emotions he has was awesome. Fassbender did a great job playing him. But again, the effect is lost when everyone else is acting just as robotic and wooden as he is! It ruins the contrast!

It was better than Resurrection and both AvP movies but that's not hard. Overall, it had a really awesome idea (searching for "God" and finding out that "God" is really a bunch of scumbag aliens) but the film just farts about running through the old alien clichés.

[WF the Hobgoblin]

QUOTE (TheCacti @ Saturday, Jun 23 2012, 16:05)

what I did find pointless was the very last scene of the film. yes, I know what the xenomorph looks like, thank you very much. there was no need to show it simply for the sake of being shocking and to highlight such an obvious link between this film and the Alien series. We get it.

I'd say it was worse than pointless. It was a cringeworthy, juvenile scene, that really hurt my overall opinion of the film. It was a total AvP ending. I expected better from Ridley.

[Don Garcia]

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[Dragonjack]

Can someone explain this to me if this is fake? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xrzSvtf6iw&feature=related i mean come on! its pretty much all a coincendent & a load of bullsh*t i'd say. I haven't seen the movie though..but is it any good? i also like sci-fi films.

Thanks