[chitoryu12]

Grand Theft Auto: The Isle

Yes, this is yet another "Oooo, let's put GTA in London because I'm British and patriotic and I hate America!" thread. Except I'm actually from Florida, so I really should be making a new Vice City. I think I'll do that later.....

Anyway, I got this idea because I'm a big Top Gear fan and I've seen a lot of British motors and scenery. The Getaway didn't do especially well as a game in spite of its accuracy in recreating London, and I think literally nobody played GTA: London 1969. I think a negative amount of people played the 1961 expansion. So this is my attempt at making a game set not only in London, but in that general area of Great Britain. All with the luxuries of the RAGE engine and advancements since GTA IV.

I would also like to point out that I have NOT read any other "GTA London" threads, so any similarities are entirely coincidental. No, Mr. 14-year-old, I did not steal any of your names or vehicles. Get out of my thread.

Plot and Protagonist: The Two Ps of Gaming

In 2014, the British Isles are in turmoil. A threat from the Irish Provincial Terrorists (IPT) has led to the capital of Landers being sealed off for months, with any non-commercial transit being kept in or out. The populace is growing restless, with rumors of a riot being well on its way.

Charlie McElroy is one of those people who doesn't like the situation. He's a straight man, unmarried and living alone in a tiny flat in East Bend. Never even shoplifted in his life, and even went to a good school. But finding work in this economy is hard, and making ends meet is difficult. He doesn't even own a car, relying on his ancient bicycle and his own two feet to make it around town. Often doesn't even bother spending the cash for a Metro ticket if he can spend it on a microwaveable pizza.

And when he's fired from his job down at the docks, things seem to be at a breaking point. At least until one of his old coworkers offers him a new job. So what if he doesn't have a driver's license? Not that hard to get a little car from one side of town to the other. Just seems kind of weighty in the boot....

[chitoryu12]

Locations

The first quarter of the game will take place entire in the capital of Landers. Due to the terrorist threat, all highways and roads leading to the docks and airport are barricaded and guarded by armed soldiers. Anyone crossing these barriers in a non-commercial vehicle will receive an immediate 4 star wanted level. Landers is a large city, with varied districts and demographics.

QUOTE

East Bend: Charlie's neighborhood on the east end of Landers and north of the Thomas River. It's the poorest district in the city, overcrowded and filled with immigrants. Some gentrification is moving in, like the new Olympia Park, but it still has some of the worst poverty in the entire country. West Bend: The entertainment and shopping district, about as far from Charlie's flat as you can get. High-end shops with thousand pound suits, theatres, art galleries, and Her Majesty's government itself with the Parliament House and the Prime Minister's personal residence and office at 20 Upton Street, complete with a steel bomb-proof door and armed guards outside. City of Landers: Right smack in the center of Landers, this district (usually just "The City") was the original city of Landers and is loaded with buildings in the legal and financial businesses. Being the financial core of the city, there's plenty of skyscrapers and men in suits running around in a tizzy. Despite this, there's also a number of open spaces, including open air markets and small parks.

There's also a large amount of smaller neighborhoods, but these are the main ones.

After spending plenty of time getting to know your home city, the barriers are lifted and the southern countryside becomes open. There's a huge amount of country space consisting of farmlands, small towns, villages, and historical monuments (such as small castles) typically converted into tourist attractions.

[chitoryu12]

Police

The police of Landers and the police of the greater British countryside are two different sides of the same coin, with similar equipment and policies. They're often regarded quite poorly for their overbearing attitude. To make matters worse, in light of the terrorist threat all officers have been hastily assigned sidearms and not always the necessary training to use them, and the citizenry finds them to be dangerous buffoons when handed a gun.

A new feature is the ability to hide from police. While fleeing the circle is the best way to escape the cops, it's possible to remain in the wanted area and hide out of sight. The officers will pass by and the wanted area on the map will move with them until it finally moves far enough that you're officially out of the area and able to flee.

1 star: Cops on the street and any nearby cars will pursue, but nobody considers the crime serious enough to call for backup. They'll fight back with their batons if need be, but prefer a peaceful arrest.

2 stars: Cops begin calling in backup, causing officers and cars to appear out of nowhere and join in the dangerous pursuit. Officers will often shoot on sight, but thankfully are sticking to their handguns for now.

3 stars: A police helicopter begins hovering overhead and shining a spotlight on you, making it difficult to hide. As usual, more officers are brought in and they begin using their submachine guns.

4 stars: The Flying Squad appears in their fast pursuit cars or in large trucks big enough to ram vehicles off the road. All bets are off, and they're out for blood.

5 stars: Fast pursuit cars based on European sports cars join the chase, and most officers have switched to submachine guns for greater firepower. If you've commandeered an aircraft, gunners sit in their helicopters firing high-powered rifles.

6 stars: You've caused enough damage that the military is involved. Trucks loaded with rifle-toting soldiers and rapid all-terrain vehicles with special forces appear, fighting as if you just invaded their country. Helicopter gunners strafe the streets and even fighters are called in to shoot down aircraft.

[chitoryu12]

Weapons

Unarmed
* Brass knuckles

Melee
* Baseball bat
* Cricket bat
* Switchblade
* Kitchen knife
* Crowbar
* Pipe wrench
* Hammer
* 2x4
* Machete
* Katana
* Chainsaw

Handguns
* Taser
* Glock 17
* Webley .455
* Browning Hi-Power
* SIG P226

Shotguns
* Skeet shotgun (over/under)
* Sawed-off shotgun
* Remington 870
* Beretta Xtrema 2 (4 round magazine tube)
* Benelli M4 Super 90

Submachine guns
* Micro Uzi
* Skorpion
* Sten Mk II
* MP5A2
* MP7A1

Rifles
* SMLE Mk IV
* AKS-74U
* SA80
* C8 Carbine

Sniper rifles
* Remington 700
* L96
* LM7 semi-automatic
* Barrett M82A1

Heavy
* Bren Gun
* FN Minimi
* FN MAG
* LAW 80 (animation shows Charlie throwing the empty tube and pulling out another)
* RPG-7

[A2 MFK]

Great work, I like the concept of bringing it back to britain, although your protagonist has a very stereotypical british name

Good plot and locations, but I only problem with having GTA in britain is that britain is not such an amusing setting, America has pretty much every terrain available in one nation britain has cities, countryside and a few hills, our weather is awful as is our econemy. I think the reason why GTA is set in the states is because the gun laws are so loose over there. British police officers are mocked by americans becasue they do not carry fire-arms. So haveing the police on your tail wouldn't be so exilerating. Another thing is, all 3D GTA games have been in fictional cities, where as London would be harder to recreate.

The roads in england are not so great for GTA style action. We have roundabouts which as I've heard tends to confuse yankies Kidding. But really the roads here would not be good for police chases or anything.

There is also no economy for drugs in most parts of britain. Which while a good thing erases another main part of the GTA plots. There are also not many huge criminal orginisations over here. There used to be a history of Triad and Yardie gangs in London but nothing like the MAfia or Columbian cartels. The only place where crime is common really is in parts of south east London, and even then, only minor African American gangs or hords of Chavs (Wannabee Ganagsta's) so it might be just thought of as a rip off of SA.

Driving on the left may aloso cause a few issues as the main Audience for GTA (American 18's) would be about to learn/learning to drive at that time and this may cause confusion to an extent.

I don't meant to be pessamistic, I think your idea is very good, just a few issues with it being in britain.

[huevos_benedicto_180]

Yeah, also being from Britain (about an hour away from 'Landers') I can tell you that the country isn't exactly suited to a GTA game, with the roads and lack of weapons. As they go, however, your concept is very good, and the story could be very interesting from the way it's set up.

If you are going to do London, there are some specific details that may not be fully known in America, yet pretty vital for realism; the metro system in London is called the London Underground, commonly referred to as the "tube". Highways are called motorways.

Also, the names "East Bend" and "West Bend" are a little too close to "East End" and "West End", so saying it feels a bit silly. These can't be neighbourhoods of their own, however; they're more like Manhattan, boroughs rather than neighbourhoods.

EDIT: Just as I type this there's been a shooting in Ealing. Okay, they happen but they're very rare.

This post has been edited by huevos_benedicto_180 on Wednesday, Jun 20 2012, 15:30

[chitoryu12]

UNDER CONSTRUCTION

Vehicles

Unpowered
* 1968 Raleigh Colt bicycle (given for free at start and respawns outside of first safehouse)
* Marin MTB mountain bike
* Triumph step-through sports roadster bicycle
* Orbea Ordu racing bicycle
* Pedelec Wildwind electric bike (higher top speed and longer cruising time, but slower acceleration)

Motorcycles
* 1954 Triumph T110
* Ducati Mach 1
* BSA Blue Star
* BMW R68 (with and without sidecar)
* Suzuki GS500
* 1991 Triumph Trophy
* Vespa P 200 E
* Vespa LX150

Two-door cars
* Honda Civic Type R second generation
* Mercedes-Benz C215
* Ford Focus RS Mk I
* Smart Fortwo
* Mini Hatch second generation
* 1963 Mini Cooper S
* Saab 9-3 convertible
* Citroen C3 convertible
* AMC Pacer
* Nissan Sunny coupe
* Toyota Yaris hatchback second generation
* MG ZR 3-door
* 2007 Fiat 500

Four-door cars
* Suzuki Liana
* Chevrolet Lacetti first generation
* Volvo 740
* Mazda6 first generation
* Subaru Impreza first generation
* Ford Escort Mk II
* Mercedes-Benz W220
* Mayback 62S Zeppelin
* Rover 820Si
* Bentley Arnage
* Volkswagen Golf Mk6
* Lada Riva 1500
* Honda Fit first generation
* Ford Fiesta Mk VI
* 2003 Rolls-Royce Phantom
* Rolls-Royce Silver Shadow
* 2012 Daihatsu Charade
* Perodua Kelisa

Sports cars and supercars
*Pagani Zonda S 7.3
* Lamborghini Murcielago LP 640 coupe
* Lamborghini Diablo VT Roadster
* Lamborghini Urraco
* TVR Tuscan
* Noble M12
* Honda S2000 (AP2)
* Aston Martin V12 Vanquish
* Jaguar XJS
* Jaguar XKR
* Ferrari 360 Spider
* Lotus Esprit first generation
* Triumph TR6
* Ariel Atom 2
* Caterham 7
* Ford GT

SUVs, trucks, and utility
* Citroen Berlingo second generation
* Renault Avantime
* Renault Espace
* Volvo XC90
* Range Rover L322
* Range Rover first generation

Industrial and Commercial
* Ford Transit sixth generation
* Bedford Rascal pickup
* Suzuki Supercarry van
* Freight Rover 300

Public service
* Double-decker bus

Emergency
* Vauxhall Astra police car
* Vauxhall Astra hatchback police car
* BMW 5 series police car
* BMW R1200RT police motorcycle
* Mercedes-Benz Sprinter police van
* Ford Transit police van
* Citroen Relay police van
* Range Rover police

Trains

Boats

Aircraft

This post has been edited by chitoryu12 on Monday, Aug 13 2012, 05:02

[chitoryu12]

QUOTE

If you are going to do London, there are some specific details that may not be fully known in America, yet pretty vital for realism; the metro system in London is called the London Underground, commonly referred to as the "tube". Highways are called motorways.

In normal GTA fashion, I've changed the names of as much as I can to seem more like an alternate universe than an actual recreation. Hence the Metro instead of the Tube.

QUOTE

Also, the names "East Bend" and "West Bend" are a little too close to "East End" and "West End", so saying it feels a bit silly. These can't be neighbourhoods of their own, however; they're more like Manhattan, boroughs rather than neighbourhoods.

I was initially going to do more neighborhoods, but that's something that'll take much more time and research. This is just a quick "Let's get the basics down first" thing and then I can go back and edit more detail in. So I just decided to do the two major conflicting areas in town and the major business center.

QUOTE

British police officers are mocked by americans becasue they do not carry fire-arms. So haveing the police on your tail wouldn't be so exilerating. Another thing is, all 3D GTA games have been in fictional cities, where as London would be harder to recreate.

If you read the post about police, you'll see that the use of firearms to keep it more in line with typical GTA was justified by the riots leading to the government hastily assigning all officers a sidearm much like America, without much in the way of training.

Also, remember that nothing in GTA is ever exact. GTA IV got very close to the general appearance and positions of everything in the real New York City, but shrunken because a full size city of millions takes a ton of space, processing power, and time. It's mainly why I introduced the countryside as well. I want the concept to also include small towns nearby and more landmarks like the Cliffs of Dover on my miniaturized map, but I'm not sure how far I really want it to go. The more cities you have, the smaller they get.

QUOTE

Driving on the left may aloso cause a few issues as the main Audience for GTA (American 18's) would be about to learn/learning to drive at that time and this may cause confusion to an extent.

I'd just tell them not to be pussies and learn how to work it all backwards. Not like they're too concerned with staying in their lane when playing Grand Theft Auto in the first place.

Just remember, there's a lot of fictionalization that goes into the GTA games to suit them for the style. Cities get rearranged and shrunken down, gun stores sell fully automatic weapons for $1000 or less over the counter with no background check (and black market gun shops are easy to find in cities that ban private firearms ownership), far more people have guns and are willing to engage in massive violence over even small problems, etc. Accuracy is important to make an immersive game and get locals to enjoy it, but it should never override the gameplay or story.

[Pilotmonkey]

QUOTE (chitoryu12 @ Tuesday, Jun 19 2012, 23:51)

Grand Theft Auto: The Isle Yes, this is yet another "Oooo, let's put GTA in London because I'm British and patriotic and I hate America!" thread. Except I'm actually from Florida, so I really should be making a new Vice City. I think I'll do that later.....

Dont worry Vice city is Next im Pretty sure... Liberty City, Vice City, SA, Liberty City, Vice, Liberty ,SA, Vice, Liberty, Vice, Liberty, Sa, Liberty ,Vice, Sa P.S Vice i didn't put the whole name

[huevos_benedicto_180]

QUOTE (Pilotmonkey @ Thursday, Jun 21 2012, 18:18)

QUOTE (chitoryu12 @ Tuesday, Jun 19 2012, 23:51) Grand Theft Auto: The Isle Yes, this is yet another "Oooo, let's put GTA in London because I'm British and patriotic and I hate America!" thread. Except I'm actually from Florida, so I really should be making a new Vice City. I think I'll do that later..... Dont worry Vice city is Next im Pretty sure... Liberty City, Vice City, SA, Liberty City, Vice, Liberty ,SA, Vice, Liberty, Vice, Liberty, Sa, Liberty ,Vice, Sa P.S Vice i didn't put the whole name

Right...you are aware that this is a concept thread, right? Where people think of their own GTA's, rather than what will actually be released?

[AlexGTAGamer]

QUOTE (chitoryu12 @ Thursday, Jun 21 2012, 05:29)

I want the concept to also include small towns nearby and more landmarks like the Cliffs of Dover on my miniaturized map, but I'm not sure how far I really want it to go.

If you're going to implement landmarks in the game, if you are concerned about space why don't you stick with landmarks that are in the countryside? For example: Stonehenge, The Angel of the North, Uffington White Horse, etc.

Or if you mean landmarks outside/near London, why don't you include Maunsell Sea Forts? More specifically Shivering Sands Army Fort.

[chitoryu12]

QUOTE (AlexGTAGamer @ Thursday, Jun 21 2012, 23:42)

QUOTE (chitoryu12 @ Thursday, Jun 21 2012, 05:29) I want the concept to also include small towns nearby and more landmarks like the Cliffs of Dover on my miniaturized map, but I'm not sure how far I really want it to go. If you're going to implement landmarks in the game, if you are concerned about space why don't you stick with landmarks that are in the countryside? For example: Stonehenge, The Angel of the North, Uffington White Horse, etc. Or if you mean landmarks outside/near London, why don't you include Maunsell Sea Forts? More specifically Shivering Sands Army Fort.

It's really a question of how big the map will turn out. As we saw with San Andreas, the bigger the map, the smaller the settlements. I'm trying to make my concept feel like a game that could actually exist with modern technology without taking up multiple discs or having a 100 GB install. So restricting the map size to just one major city and small villages and landmarks around it (like I imagine GTA V is doing) will allow for a more detailed one, while going all the way to multiple full cities will mean that the countryside gets smaller and the cities become the size of a small town of 1000 people.

[huevos_benedicto_180]

QUOTE (AlexGTAGamer @ Thursday, Jun 21 2012, 23:42)

QUOTE (chitoryu12 @ Thursday, Jun 21 2012, 05:29) I want the concept to also include small towns nearby and more landmarks like the Cliffs of Dover on my miniaturized map, but I'm not sure how far I really want it to go. If you're going to implement landmarks in the game, if you are concerned about space why don't you stick with landmarks that are in the countryside? For example: Stonehenge, The Angel of the North, Uffington White Horse, etc. Or if you mean landmarks outside/near London, why don't you include Maunsell Sea Forts? More specifically Shivering Sands Army Fort.

What? Where are those? Never seen nor heard about them in my life.

[AlexGTAGamer]

QUOTE (huevos_benedicto_180 @ Friday, Jun 22 2012, 10:52)

What? Where are those? Never seen nor heard about them in my life.

I recommend having a gander at this site:
http://www.undergroundkent.co.uk/maunsell_towers.htm

[chitoryu12]

If you ever hear of the Principality of Sealand, it's a sort of self-proclaimed independent nation set on one of those old sea forts. Started as a pirate radio station, then the "owner" got the bright idea to declare himself a sovereign nation because it's in international waters. Because forming a country is more complex than "I renounce my citizenship and become independent", pretty much nobody recognizes him.

[chitoryu12]

Vehicles list updated, including police list.

[universetwisters]

woah dude, this is really good! Keep it up