[universetwisters]

What makes a true protagonist? Does he have to be a gangbanger, or a sophisticated gentleman? Does he need a deep personality, or a "fill-in-the-blank" character like Claude? Does he need to be a badass, or does he need a soft side? What do you guys think?

[Senex Iunior]

A bit of everything, I think. Niko, for example, was at times badass, other times a bit softer, sometimes a bit of both.

[a. outlandish]

Cj, Niko and Johnny, i think this trio most realistic characters. Not just regular psychos with ambition for american dream. They suffer, humiliating by others, and they have to fight. But i rather, İf protag is a professional crook with a crew includes specialists through playing big time. that'll do to. With style like Michael Mann movie characters.

[Mr_Leone]

Flaws. Toni was an ass kisser, but would mow down herds of wiseguys for Salvatore. Niko was mentally unstable, a total hypocrite, and was good at killing. Vic Vance was put in an uncomfortable situation, but his instincts took over. He wanted to help.

[0909090]

Niko and Tommy are good examples of "true" protagonists.

[MyDog]

QUOTE (Mr_Leone @ Wednesday, Sep 12 2012, 12:51)

Flaws. Toni was an ass kisser, but would mow down herds of wiseguys for Salvatore. Niko was mentally unstable, a total hypocrite, and was good at killing. Vic Vance was put in an uncomfortable situation, but his instincts took over. He wanted to help.

What makes you think that Niko's mentally unstable and a total hypocrite? The war has changed him to the point that he can take a human life without feeling remorse, but not to the point of post traumatic disorder.

[Mr_Leone]

QUOTE (MyDog @ Wednesday, Sep 12 2012, 20:38)

QUOTE (Mr_Leone @ Wednesday, Sep 12 2012, 12:51) Flaws. Toni was an ass kisser, but would mow down herds of wiseguys for Salvatore. Niko was mentally unstable, a total hypocrite, and was good at killing. Vic Vance was put in an uncomfortable situation, but his instincts took over. He wanted to help. What makes you think that Niko's mentally unstable and a total hypocrite? The war has changed him to the point that he can take a human life without feeling remorse, but not to the point of post traumatic disorder.

How much do you charge to kill someone?

[MyDog]

QUOTE (Mr_Leone @ Wednesday, Sep 12 2012, 20:44)

QUOTE (MyDog @ Wednesday, Sep 12 2012, 20:38) QUOTE (Mr_Leone @ Wednesday, Sep 12 2012, 12:51) Flaws. Toni was an ass kisser, but would mow down herds of wiseguys for Salvatore. Niko was mentally unstable, a total hypocrite, and was good at killing. Vic Vance was put in an uncomfortable situation, but his instincts took over. He wanted to help. What makes you think that Niko's mentally unstable and a total hypocrite? The war has changed him to the point that he can take a human life without feeling remorse, but not to the point of post traumatic disorder. How much do you charge to kill someone?

That situation wasn't hypocritical at all. Darko had his friends killed. For a thousand bucks. Those were Darko's friends as well. People Niko kills are complete strangers to him. These two situations aren't the same.

Anyway, I called you on the mentally unstable part?

[Mr_Leone]

What murderer is mentally stable? If you can blindly murder people, being a stranger doesn't justify.

[MyDog]

A person doesn't have to be mentally unstable to commit murder. Michael Myers is mentally unstable because he enjoys killing people and does so for no reason. GTA protagonists kill for money, but most of their victims are people who had it coming to them, or people who try to kill them first.